Preview 2023 Rd 16 - Carlton v Hawthorn Sunday 2nd July - 1:10PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in ...





IN: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

OUT: Matthew Cottrell (suspension), Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

(knee soreness), Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

AFL team news: Dual additions for Blues

Carlton has named two additions to its Round 16 team.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Jordan Boyd
Half-backs:	Nic Newman	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Walsh
Half-forwards:	Jack Silvagni	Charlie Curnow	Jack Martin
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Followers:	Tom De Koning	Adam Cerra	Sam Docherty
Interchange:	Alex Cincotta	Ed Curnow	Matthew Kennedy
	Matthew Owies
Emergencies:	Jaxon Binns	George Hewett	Josh Honey
	Lewis Young

 

[gab213]

There seems a weird vibe this week that a win over Gold Coast (travelling, off the bye, missing their best midfielder) somehow erases the 8 losses in 9 games before that.

I strongly disagree with this statement. I have seen no such suggestion from anybody. There's no such vibe at all, some people are looking forward rather than being mired in what happened 6 weeks ago, maybe hoping that we can keep moving forward more positively. I think that people have been realistic in their assessments of where we are at.

The only change in the 'vibe' around here is that there's less of a doomsday theme which isn't a bad thing.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Could also say that we've only had one loss to a team outside the 8, and that was to last year's runner-up, interstate, on a 5-day break. We're 0-7 vs the top-8, but 5-1-1 vs the teams outside the 8 (including wins over 9th and 10th). Perhaps we're just performing as expected for a team around the middle of the pack?

When you consider our major 'rebuild' beginning around 2015? We really should be ahead of, or at the very least equal to other clubs like *, Saints, Crows and possibly Gold Coast who experienced similar rebuilding/building issues. None of us premiership contenders maybe, our playing list is probably better than the others, but we've been overtaken by these clubs this year.

 

[NetworkNerd]

When you consider our major 'rebuild' beginning around 2015? We really should be ahead of, or at the very least equal to other clubs like *, Saints, Crows and possibly Gold Coast who experienced similar rebuilding/building issues. None of us premiership contenders maybe, our playing list is probably better than the others, but we've been overtaken by these clubs this year.

From afar, it's a confidence thing with Carlton. But win this week as you should, you will build more confidence to take on Freo. Win that and you should back yourself against a Port side at marvel that is due for a loss.

 

[Revenant1965]

From afar, it's a confidence thing with Carlton. But win this week as you should, you will build more confidence to take on Freo. Win that and you should back yourself against a Port side at marvel that is due for a loss.

One. Week. At. A. Time....

 

[RedFury]

From afar, it's a confidence thing with Carlton. But win this week as you should, you will build more confidence to take on Freo. Win that and you should back yourself against a Port side at marvel that is due for a loss.

You say "at marvel" like that's a good thing for us. Have you seen Port's record at Marvel?

In the last 4 seasons they are 10-0

 

[Arr0w]

When you consider our major 'rebuild' beginning around 2015? We really should be ahead of, or at the very least equal to other clubs like *, Saints, Crows and possibly Gold Coast who experienced similar rebuilding/building issues. None of us premiership contenders maybe, our playing list is probably better than the others, but we've been overtaken by these clubs this year.

It's interesting isn't it, as based on last year we finished ahead of all those sides

So, does this year determine that those sides will now power ahead of us beyond this year?

Way too early to tell and we won't know until we actually get into 2024, to determine that current form will be sustained

I really liked the Crows before the start of this year, a nice balanced list and a core group that will play a fair bit of footy together in coming years, but that doesn't halt what we could achieve moving forward

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It's interesting isn't it, as based on last year we finished ahead of all those sides

So, does this year determine that those sides will now power ahead of us beyond this year?

Way too early to tell and we won't know until we actually get into 2024, to determine that current form will be sustained

I really liked the Crows before the start of this year, a nice balanced list and a core group that will play a fair bit of footy together in coming years, but that doesn't halt what we could achieve moving forward

I'm confident we are good enough to overtake those clubs next year, still feel we've squandered an opportunity to join them in the 8 this year.
The Crows have been fantastic, if their cards fall into place they might even snag the flag.
Do you reckon our current 23 is as far below those clubs as our ladder position indicates?

 

[thylacine60]

I strongly disagree with this statement. I have seen no such suggestion from anybody. There's no such vibe at all, some people are looking forward rather than being mired in what happened 6 weeks ago, maybe hoping that we can keep moving forward more positively. I think that people have been realistic in their assessments of where we are at.

The only change in the 'vibe' around here is that there's less of a doomsday theme which isn't a bad thing.

hold my beer.....

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

That's the reality.

Speak for yourself.

We are a top 8 side, bordering on top 4......

Missing the 8 will be a massive, massive fail.

Sayers should be gone already (PWC scandal), Voss on very thin ice if we finish out of the eight....

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

So are our media crew getting their creative juices flowing for some kind of announcement tomorrow?

I sure hope so....

 

[Arr0w]

I'm confident we are good enough to overtake those clubs next year, still feel we've squandered an opportunity to join them in the 8 this year.

Stated a while ago, that this seems the lingering sentiment amongst the supporters, so even if we string some good wins/performances together back half of the year, it won't move the needle because of "finals"

Do you reckon our current 23 is as far below those clubs as our ladder position indicates?

No, we have really struggled with connection and our results have been subpar, but our best is good enough

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Speak for yourself.

We are a top 8 side, bordering on top 4......

Missing the 8 will be a massive, massive fail.

Sayers should be gone already (PWC scandal), Voss on very thin ice if we finish out of the eight....

I agree 100%. The post I quoted as 'the reality' suggested improvement in structures and consistency and mentioned nothing about lack of talent. We should be playing finals as a mimimum expectation this year. No major injuries to star players. We have the two reigning Coleman medalists, the reigning Brownlow medalist and an extravaganza of first round picks on our list. There are no excuses.

 

[bigblueboy]

I agree 100%. The post I quoted as 'the reality' suggested improvement in structures and consistency and mentioned nothing about lack of talent. We should be playing finals as a mimimum expectation this year. No major injuries to star players. We have the two reigning Coleman medalists, the reigning Brownlow medalist and an extravaganza of first round picks on our list. There are no excuses.

This is the recession we had to have.

 

[reubsblues]

Surely Binns gets his chance this weekend
No one else deserves to come in tbh
I'll be pissed if we bring in a slow
player like Hewett
So in Binns for Cottrell

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Riley Beveridge on afl.com.au running with Marchbank having fully recovered over the bye being a good chance to come back into the senior team. Seems a bit strange but he's generally close to the mark.

Stoopidy selection if that’s the case, can’t even get through a reserves game..

 

[bmaurizio]

I'm confident we are good enough to overtake those clubs next year, still feel we've squandered an opportunity to join them in the 8 this year.
The Crows have been fantastic, if their cards fall into place they might even snag the flag.
Do you reckon our current 23 is as far below those clubs as our ladder position indicates?

Agree and reckon they‘ll be better next year too, as a few others whom have made huge strides in 2023. New players will develop & more team cohesiveness will improve them in 2024.

 

[Benaly28]

Agree and reckon they‘ll be better next year too, as a few others whom have made huge strides in 2023. New players will develop & more team cohesiveness will improve them in 2024.

Improvement is never linear.

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

So how I’ve seen our last game against the Suns live, our first quarter we were fairly average and were mainly outplayed for a fair amount of the quarter the effort was there but lacking any cohesion or system…

Second quarter was a combination of total center square dominance, but a lift in quality pressure and tackling which created better opposition restrictions and turnovers creating better passages in ball movement chains across all areas of the ground..

Third quarter had it’s moments of good but was fairly average at times with poor skills/decision making like at times across the first half with the basics, effort and pressure was there but cost ourselves with general basics of the game..

Last quarter even quarter in the end, probably missed a bit of a chance to really put them away, still continued to play with the run and pressure but the game opened up due to them by cleverly switching and creating goal opportunities…

The positives was obviously the second quarter midfield dominance, haven’t created that type of midfield synergy all year, reminiscent of last years dominance, our best quality tackling and pressure since the Geelong game across all lines, as was the ball movement moving the ball on with better spread speed, method and creative options, better chains less predictable ball movement than usual…

Negatives, basic turnovers kicking short to players that where already covered that we’re defended/turned the ball straight back over, missing easy short (5/20) hit ups by hand and foot period, putting teammates under unnecessary pressure through sloppy executed ball movement chain by poor decisions, lack of blocks shepherding…

TDK ground pressure Blocks/Shepherding brilliant

Many good improvements with our stoppages, run chain & ball movement, great pressure and tackling, better connection from our backline mids and forwards, defensive kick ins methods better…

Bring our best this week we will win, but Hawks have a combination of midfielders and runners that will take the game on (like pies) that will try and push and test us all the way, not a gimme game…

Baggers by 2 goals…

 

[The Toad]

I can't be the only one that has seen a dramatic change in the game plan over the last 3/4 weeks. Gone form that stupid sideways, always look backwards style to a much faster, play on an and try to keep the ball moving style. It will take time to get a completely different game plan down pat, but we seem to be getting a lot betterer at it. We keep that up and we should win comfortably against the Hawks.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I can't be the only one that has seen a dramatic change in the game plan over the last 3/4 weeks. Gone form that stupid sideways, always look backwards style to a much faster, play on an and try to keep the ball moving style. It will take time to get a completely different game plan down pat, but we seem to be getting a lot betterer at it. We keep that up and we should win comfortably against the Hawks.

Depends what Water Lily your watching from, definitely over the past few games there’s been a definite change…

 

[thebluenewdeal]

I can't be the only one that has seen a dramatic change in the game plan over the last 3/4 weeks. Gone form that stupid sideways, always look backwards style to a much faster, play on an and try to keep the ball moving style. It will take time to get a completely different game plan down pat, but we seem to be getting a lot betterer at it. We keep that up and we should win comfortably against the Hawks.

It was there against the swans and dees. Then completely broke down against *. Who knows where it’ll get us but this playing group need to stay connected mentally to even have a shot. That’s the biggest take away from that rough period. They need to all be better in the critical moments of games.

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

This is the recession we had to have.

Why? Because we've lost eight of our last ten? What about last year? Pure fluke? Our talented list laden with stars just not up to it? I don't buy into any of that.

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

I can't be the only one that has seen a dramatic change in the game plan over the last 3/4 weeks. Gone form that stupid sideways, always look backwards style to a much faster, play on an and try to keep the ball moving style. It will take time to get a completely different game plan down pat, but we seem to be getting a lot betterer at it. We keep that up and we should win comfortably against the Hawks.

Very very hard (almost impossible) to switch that dramatically mid season.

I just don't get why we fell for the media rubbish and tried to change our gameplan from last year. Yeah we missed finals but in all honestly we should've been there. Why couldn't we build on that, focus on our strengths?

 

[gbatman]

Should be another big win. I'm sure they will go one on one and apply pressure around the ball as they have in the past as it's worked so well against us. First time against GCS I have seen it not work against us, simply because we got on the move and engaged with them less. Let's hope we learn from that, keep the free flowing, momentum and intensity game going.

Think Binns comes in for Cottrell. Perfect in. Just watch them balls this up and pick Curnow though.

Would love Dow in the 22 but I can't pick a player to replace him with. Not with Cuningham coming in last week and Fogarty coming in and playing a role well.

 

[Arr0w]

Very very hard (almost impossible) to switch that dramatically mid season.

I just don't get why we fell for the media rubbish and tried to change our gameplan from last year. Yeah we missed finals but in all honestly we should've been there. Why couldn't we build on that, focus on our strengths?

We needed to tweak the gameplan, to a turnover style, as a pure contested/clearance style isn't sustainable

I feel the transition went too far, too early