List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[The Nostradamus]

I don't see the need for Billings. Would also rather pay up a second or third rounder for Flanders.

Agree Yes to Flanders

And no to billings

I like Riccardi, if he is available. We need that type of player, even if they're not a star.

yep Riccardi out of contract and Victorian. He will be replaced by Cadman soon enough so could see him come home

 

[Harris 10]

I don't see the need for Billings. Would also rather pay up a second or third rounder for Flanders.

He’s a good option, I’d take him over Billings.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Interesting comparison

Tom Powell and Tanner Bruhn AFL Stats Comparison

Tom Powell and Tanner Bruhn AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Tommy stacks up easily with Bruhn on those figures. Bruhn's in a much better system, has more support around him and I bet he has had more time running through the middle also.

We'd get strong returns on Powell if we would just stick him in middle and let him develop.

 

[Makeshift Park]

We need to add 3 or 4 senior players to get us through the next year or two.

Bonnar, will never be a star, but next year we are looking at a back 6 of Logue, Bergman with a struggling McDonald and Corr.
Young, Perez, Archer, Bonar are battlers. Hall, Ziebell are cooked.
Goater looks promising.

Who you adding to our back half? Going to the draft takes time and we are unlikely to attract high quality trades and FA’s.

Bailey Williams is about to extend with the Dogs so cross him out. I’d like to say Ash, but it’s just really unlikely.

It’s the same with players like Fisher and Billings, both are better than plenty on our list and buy us time to develop young kids.

We aren’t in a position to use high draft picks so these are the types we need to look at.

Dylan Williams, Doedee, Tomlinson: could get all three for the cost of a fourth rounder.

Ash would be the piece de resistance.

 

[Harris 10]

Dylan Williams, Doedee, Tomlinson: could get all three for the cost of a fourth rounder.

Ash would be the piece de resistance.

Yep, we can all sit back and pick the shite out of names that people throw up. But unfortunately we need to add blokes like the ones I’ve mentioned and you’ve mentioned.

We are in a pretty big transition and are about to lose over 1200 game’s experience. We have several really poor players on our list that don’t deserve a spot.

We ain’t replacing them all with guns or even highly rated juniors in their 2nd or 3rd year eg: Ash, Flanders. We also can’t just turnover our list and bring in 15 18 year olds from the draft.

 

[zoomba23]

We need to add 3 or 4 senior players to get us through the next year or two.

Bonnar, will never be a star, but next year we are looking at a back 6 of Logue, Bergman with a struggling McDonald and Corr.
Young, Perez, Archer, Bonar are battlers. Hall, Ziebell are cooked.
Goater looks promising.

Who you adding to our back half? Going to the draft takes time and we are unlikely to attract high quality trades and FA’s.

Bailey Williams is about to extend with the Dogs so cross him out. I’d like to say Ash, but it’s just really unlikely.

It’s the same with players like Fisher and Billings, both are better than plenty on our list and buy us time to develop young kids.

We aren’t in a position to use high draft picks so these are the types we need to look at.

I reckon you're going a bit hard on Archer. He'd have carved out a spot for himself this year if he didn't overwork himself during preseason. I also reckon that Bonar could have a future back there fwiw. He was actually pretty good in the first four rounds this year. Agree that there are plenty of issues back there but guys like Bonner aren't the answer. The majority of Port fans would be happy to see the back of him. That says it all imo.

Tucker has been in and out of the side and to my eye, he offers a little more than both Fisher and Billings would. No guarantees that they'd get game time even if they did come across. We need to be savvy about this, otherwise we'll get stuck in a loop of recruiting average players, becoming angry at them when their output is shit, and demanding further recruits

 

[Harris 10]

I reckon you're going a bit hard on Archer. He'd have carved out a spot for himself this year if he didn't overwork himself during preseason. I also reckon that Bonar could have a future back there fwiw. He was actually pretty good in the first four rounds this year. Agree that there are plenty of issues back there but guys like Bonner aren't the answer. The majority of Port fans would be happy to see the back of him. That says it all imo.

Tucker has been in and out of the side and to my eye, he offers a little more than both Fisher and Billings would. No guarantees that they'd get game time even if they did come across. We need to be savvy about this, otherwise we'll get stuck in a loop of recruiting average players, becoming angry at them when their output is s**t, and demanding further recruits

Don’t worry about the names, explain to me how you’re replacing 14 to 15 players on our list over the next 2 years without bringing in a couple of seat fillers on the cheap that will give us 40 to 60 games?

Tucker is a perfect example of an average type player that will give us 40 to 60 games to give us development time for the top end talent we bring in.

 

[Carey4life]

Don’t worry about the names, explain to me how you’re replacing 14 to 15 players on our list over the next 2 years without bringing in a couple of seat fillers on the cheap that will give us 40 to 60 games?

Tucker is a perfect example of an average type player that will give us 40 to 60 games to give us development time for the top end talent we bring in.

We'll draft 3-4 players this year. Do that again next year, that's 8 players. Trade in a decent-ish talent, or attract a free agent each year given we have cap space. You easily get up to 5 each year.

Re-new players like Bonar and Young on one year contracts as fillers until we can't justify keeping the spots.

We also don't need to turn over 15 players. Shiel, Howe, and Turner don't count given they're rookies. Can turn those spots over for mature fillers until our core list is settled.

 

[zoomba23]

Don’t worry about the names, explain to me how you’re replacing 14 to 15 players on our list over the next 2 years without bringing in a couple of seat fillers on the cheap that will give us 40 to 60 games?

Tucker is a perfect example of an average type player that will give us 40 to 60 games to give us development time for the top end talent we bring in.

Because quite frankly, 14-15 players don't need replacing. I agree there are holes in the list but I don't think many other clubs has done the clean out thing as much as we have since 2016. It's time to develop some of these blokes into actual ****ing footballers instead of saying 'well he's not up to it, let's find someone else.'

At some point the onus needs to fall on the club's development and the individuals within the environment that have stagnated. Not everyone makes it even within the very best systems, sure, but we've got a much higher percentage of blokes who look way off it than most other clubs. I reckon, dependent on Clarko's mindset and ability to concentrate, the lads are in for a gruelling preseason as he'd have realised this year just how far behind we are, fitness and mentality wise. Skills generally flow on from that. You'll get more naturally highly skilled players, but 98% of players on AFL lists would pass the baseline standard for skills.

Find a wingman, a rebounding defender, and a small forward, whether that's from within the club or from outside it, and then turn the ****ing environment within the club into a professional one, is my two cents

 

[Harris 10]

Because quite frankly, 14-15 players don't need replacing. I agree there are holes in the list but I don't think many other clubs has done the clean out thing as much as we have since 2016. It's time to develop some of these blokes into actual ******* footballers instead of saying 'well he's not up to it, let's find someone else.'

At some point the onus needs to fall on the club's development and the individuals within the environment that have stagnated. Not everyone makes it even within the very best systems, sure, but we've got a much higher percentage of blokes who look way off it than most other clubs. I reckon, dependent on Clarko's mindset and ability to concentrate, the lads are in for a gruelling preseason as he'd have realised this year just how far behind we are, fitness and mentality wise. Skills generally flow on from that. You'll get more naturally highly skilled players, but 98% of players on AFL lists would pass the baseline standard for skills.

Find a wingman, a rebounding defender, and a small forward, whether that's from within the club or from outside it, and then turn the ******* environment within the club into a professional one, is my two cents

You raise some valid points, especially on development, I started a thread about 3 years ago on Gavin Brown and how he needs to go, our development of players has been absolutue rubbish.

However, I think it's fantasy land to think we dont need to turn over a huge number of players.

Like I said in the next two years i don't expect the following to be on the list:
Bonar
Cunnington
Dawson
Edwards
Free
Greenwood
Hall
Howe
Mahony
Shiels
Spicer
Turner
Young
Ziebell

I have question marks over Archer, Perez, Lazzaro, Taylor

I fully expect that Mckay will leave, although I'm hopeful he'll stay.

Again, pick the shite out of the names, but I expect most to be gone. The odd one or two hopfully will come on and suprise but majority will be gone

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Wade Derksen with another 4 goals for GES reserves side. OOC at the end of the year and can pinch hit in the ruck.

Jeremy sharp with 33 disposals for GC reserves.

 

[zoomba23]

You raise some valid points, especially on development, I started a thread about 3 years ago on Gavin Brown and how he needs to go, our development of players has been absolutue rubbish.

However, I think it's fantasy land to think we dont need to turn over a huge number of players.

Like I said in the next two years i don't expect the following to be on the list:
Bonar
Cunnington
Dawson
Edwards
Free
Greenwood
Hall
Howe
Mahony
Shiels
Spicer
Turner
Young
Ziebell

I have question marks over Archer, Perez, Lazzaro, Taylor

I fully expect that Mckay will leave, although I'm hopeful he'll stay.

Again, pick the shite out of the names, but I expect most to be gone. The odd one or two hopfully will come on and suprise but majority will be gone

Agree that Brown's time has probably come. Disagree with a couple of those names, but yes, a fair few of them will be off the list. Our recruiting has picked up a little since those infamous failed drafts, and we have to hope the club gets most of its picks right for the near future. I've said before it feels like we're slowly working our way back to being competitive, with various areas that had previously incompetent personnel improving as time goes on. But man, it is an obscenely long way back from where we've been, and where we arguably still are in several areas

 

[Carey4life]

Realistically, we could move up to eight players from the main list this season if you include Cunnington. Keep in mind we've already recruited a player in Hansen Jnr. However, after that, I'd expect us to try to start showing some promise and using cap space to attract few agents. Of Harris 10's list, I reckon it looks like the below.

Gone this year:
Hall
Mahony
Ziebell
Goldstein
Spicer (likely/maybe offered a rookie position)
Edwards (likely/maybe offered a rookie position)
Mckay (if leaves)

Gone 2024:
Cunnington (Could be paid out)
Greenwood
Lazzaro

Perfectly fine to be given 1-year contracts and churned over time - some may still even play:
Young
Perez
Taylor
Bonar
Archer
Dawson (probably gone this year?)
Tucker

Rookies (is an extended list that needs to normalise):
Howe
Free
Shiels
Turner

 

[Harris 10]

Mannagh a huge day again today, 28 and 2 goals with 8 tackles.

 

[Harris 10]

Wade Derksen with another 4 goals for GES reserves side. OOC at the end of the year and can pinch hit in the ruck.

Jeremy sharp with 33 disposals for GC reserves.

A lot of GC players put up big numbers this weekend against Frankston.

Fin Macrae put up big numbers and can’t get a look in at the pies.

 

[Ischenko]

Targets in the off-season we should consider include:

• L McNeil
• R Garcia
• A Johnson
• B McCreery
• J Ginnivan (yes hes a pest, but a pest that can win games)
• P Dow
• T Dow (cheap/rookie)
• S Wicks
• K Dunkley (cheap/rookie)
• I Soldo
• J LLoyd
• J Battle
• H Clark
• C Idun
• H Himmelberg
• J Wehr
• C Burgess (cheap/rookie)
• C Ah Chee
• J Riccardi (worth the punt to see?)
• K Coleman
• R Burton
• C Stone

AMONG OTHERS.

Port’s pick for Coleman? I really rate him.

 

[JGreezy]

Port’s pick for Coleman? I really rate him.

He'd be a great addition uf we could convince him to join.

 

[Petrie4PM]

Ports pick and 4th round for:

Idun & Riccardi?

 

[lockheed]

Because quite frankly, 14-15 players don't need replacing. I agree there are holes in the list but I don't think many other clubs has done the clean out thing as much as we have since 2016. It's time to develop some of these blokes into actual ******* footballers instead of saying 'well he's not up to it, let's find someone else.'

At some point the onus needs to fall on the club's development and the individuals within the environment that have stagnated. Not everyone makes it even within the very best systems, sure, but we've got a much higher percentage of blokes who look way off it than most other clubs. I reckon, dependent on Clarko's mindset and ability to concentrate, the lads are in for a gruelling preseason as he'd have realised this year just how far behind we are, fitness and mentality wise. Skills generally flow on from that. You'll get more naturally highly skilled players, but 98% of players on AFL lists would pass the baseline standard for skills.

Find a wingman, a rebounding defender, and a small forward, whether that's from within the club or from outside it, and then turn the ******* environment within the club into a professional one, is my two cents

Agree. Until we have a environment that's professional in every single facet, and until we're able to develop players to their potential, we can bring in as many players as we want but we will still be rubbish.

 

[Star]

The Freak from Fish Creek

Beautiful mover, is going to really breakout second half of the year.

BFNAAK

Make it happen Wilbur Thursfield

 

[LB2Snake]

The Freak from Fish Creek

Beautiful mover, is going to really breakout second half of the year.

BFNAAK

Make it happen Wilbur Thursfield

Who is this referring to ? Caddy?

 

[Harris 10]

The Freak from Fish Creek

Beautiful mover, is going to really breakout second half of the year.

BFNAAK

Make it happen Wilbur Thursfield

Flanders?

 

[Star]

Who is this referring to ? Caddy?

Flanders.

 

[spurs]

Aren’t we getting Hunter Clarke for free? He hasn’t signed yet.

 

[Harris 10]

You raise some valid points, especially on development, I started a thread about 3 years ago on Gavin Brown and how he needs to go, our development of players has been absolutue rubbish.

However, I think it's fantasy land to think we dont need to turn over a huge number of players.

Like I said in the next two years i don't expect the following to be on the list:
Bonar
Cunnington
Dawson
Edwards
Free
Greenwood
Hall
Howe
Mahony
Shiels
Spicer
Turner
Young
Ziebell

I have question marks over Archer, Perez, Lazzaro, Taylor

I fully expect that Mckay will leave, although I'm hopeful he'll stay.

Again, pick the shite out of the names, but I expect most to be gone. The odd one or two hopfully will come on and suprise but majority will be gone

Anyone still prepared to put forward a case for the blokes I’ve named above?

Happy for Archer to remain a question mark, but the others can move to the kill list.