List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[bird_man]

I think we should be focusing on depth players that are closer to 20 than 25

Players like Hill and Wood are getting towards the end of their careers. It makes sense to bring in players that are still a way off their best and will be ready to take their spots in a few years time.

Bringing in players that are still a way off hitting their ceiling is usually the hest way to find a bargain too

 

[StCicatriz]

Subi pace ace emerges on Freo’s draft radar

Subiaco speedster Robert Hansen Jnr’s blistering start to his senior WAFL career has caught Fremantle’s eye ahead of next month’s AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft.

thewest.com.au

 

[hayes]

First 8 mins or so is on us and why we’re waiting until the second half of the year to get our OOC players sorted.

 

[hayes]

And for those who can’t listen to it, it’s basically because we want A graders and we want the money in the cap to be available if any want to come.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I think we have the backbones of a very solid team now.

With that I think comes the luxury of being able to draft and develop talent rather than focus on short-term needs and quick fixes.

This time around let's think longer term, focus on the draft, and free agents.

 

[Joffaboy]

Forgot that if we dont sign Gres, he goes and we sign a FA, we don't get any compo.

I know were are kicking the tyres of FA's, however we might get DFA for Gres.

A pretty risky game being played by SOS and Allen, lots of out talent being looked at by others the longer we don't resign them.

 

[bird_man]

Forgot that if we dont sign Gres, he goes and we sign a FA, we don't get any compo.

I know were are kicking the tyres of FA's, however we might get DFA for Gres.

A pretty risky game being played by SOS and Allen, lots of out talent being looked at by others the longer we don't resign them.

I doubt we'd let Gresham go by choice

Curious as to which free agents we would target

Darcy Parish would be great but very unlikely. Himmleberg is the only other that I can think of and I'm not sure he's a genuine need? He's a solid forward and a solid defender but who's spot does he take?

 

[hayes]

I doubt we'd let Gresham go by choice

Curious as to which free agents we would target

Darcy Parish would be great but very unlikely. Himmleberg is the only other that I can think of and I'm not sure he's a genuine need? He's a solid forward and a solid defender but who's spot does he take?

I’m assuming we’d get him as a key back which probably means a reshuffle of the backline if we want to keep Battle in the team. I haven’t watched enough of him as a defender to know if he’d be any good but he doesn’t kick many goals as a forward.

 

[bird_man]

I’m assuming we’d get him as a key back which probably means a reshuffle of the backline if we want to keep Battle in the team. I haven’t watched enough of him as a defender to know if he’d be any good but he doesn’t kick many goals as a forward.

It would be an interesting move

Not sure a back 6 can fit them all in

 

[hayes]

It would be an interesting move

Not sure a back 6 can fit them all in

I think you could fit them all in but either way it’s still a massive need IMO.

 

[Barrels]

I guess I’m in the minority, and at odds with the club, but I just don’t see KPD as a world-burning need…

If Howard, Battle, or Wilkie go down we (currently) have Highmore and Coffield as third talls, Cordy has played most of his career as a key defender, Adams is showing a lot more than he did last year, and Van Es looks a gem with what is already a man’s body.

If we were lucky enough to get Bing across to the club, he can play both ends.

Midfield pace would be my number one, two AND three priority.

 

[Mowman]

I guess I’m in the minority, and at odds with the club, but I just don’t see KPD as a world-burning need…

If Howard, Battle, or Wilkie go down we (currently) have Highmore and Coffield as third talls, Cordy has played most of his career as a key defender, Adams is showing a lot more than he did last year, and Van Es looks a gem with what is already a man’s body.

If we were lucky enough to get Bing across to the club, he can play both ends.

Midfield pace would be my number one, two AND three priority.

Before the season started but not now our back 6 as a team are elite the way they work together

 

[jh38]

I guess I’m in the minority, and at odds with the club, but I just don’t see KPD as a world-burning need…

If Howard, Battle, or Wilkie go down we (currently) have Highmore and Coffield as third talls, Cordy has played most of his career as a key defender, Adams is showing a lot more than he did last year, and Van Es looks a gem with what is already a man’s body.

If we were lucky enough to get Bing across to the club, he can play both ends.

Midfield pace would be my number one, two AND three priority.

I think we're one more small defender short on depth, just one more back pocket lockdown type would be nice. But otherwise go for a clearance winning mid.

 

[Armoooo]

I guess I’m in the minority, and at odds with the club, but I just don’t see KPD as a world-burning need…

If Howard, Battle, or Wilkie go down we (currently) have Highmore and Coffield as third talls, Cordy has played most of his career as a key defender, Adams is showing a lot more than he did last year, and Van Es looks a gem with what is already a man’s body.

If we were lucky enough to get Bing across to the club, he can play both ends.

Midfield pace would be my number one, two AND three priority.

In a perfect world we'd like to replace Howard and Battle with AA level key defenders, but from an asset management perspective I agree with you, it just isn't a huge need.

Howard and Battle are solid B Graders, we would need to give up a lot of capital to get genuine improvements for them, especially when our defence is already performing at historic levels (whether this is sustainable is obviously not yet clear).

But to be honest, I don't see our list having any huge glaring needs. The weakest spot in our team is that second KPF / relief ruck role. At the moment we've got Cordy, Caminiti, Hayes and Keeley competing for that spot.

I haven't heard any suggestions for available KPDs that I believe would make us a better side.

Bing is the one that makes any sense for the second forward option, but that would be burning our draft capital and salary cap space, and also essentially writing off Caminiti and Keeleys development opportunities.

Just keep hitting the draft. Especially before the Tassie team comes in.

 

[StCicatriz]

go hard at freo. place is imploding

 

[Saintos The ITK]

We really only need a key defender and a ruck who are happy to play for Sandy until required plus any midfield upgrades who want in.

 

[SteeleSaints]

I doubt we'd let Gresham go by choice

Curious as to which free agents we would target

Darcy Parish would be great but very unlikely. Himmleberg is the only other that I can think of and I'm not sure he's a genuine need? He's a solid forward and a solid defender but who's spot does he take?

Apparently his current contract was reasonably significant, you would think the club would want to reduce the offer. I just hope he hasnt got a skewed impression of his worth given what he was paid in the past? He might elect to move to chase the money - I guess it depends on what the club offers him $$$ wise? So it will come down to what he thinks he is worth and what the club are prepared to pay.

Hopefully he buys into the belief of the clubs future and choses to remain.

Its interesting how much our list needs have changed after 6 rounds. If we have salary cap to use, chase any of the targetted free agents. As mentioned above we do need a ready to go ruckman and more midfield depth if Jones & McKenzie cant get going.

 

[Strahany]

I could be / am likely completely misreading things, but Gresh seems to be the least “bought in” to the team, out of every other player I’ve seen play a match, this season. Without recording anything objectively, I feel as though he has been the one most likely to burn teammates, most likely to try to take on too much independently, and the least celebratory after a teammate kicks a goal - sometimes even visibly upset.

Hopefully someone with actual knowledge can correct me, as body language and some decision making errors are all I have to go off and the former can be deceiving.

 

[Barrels]

In a perfect world we'd like to replace Howard and Battle with AA level key defenders, but from an asset management perspective I agree with you, it just isn't a huge need.

Howard and Battle are solid B Graders, we would need to give up a lot of capital to get genuine improvements for them, especially when our defence is already performing at historic levels (whether this is sustainable is obviously not yet clear).

But to be honest, I don't see our list having any huge glaring needs. The weakest spot in our team is that second KPF / relief ruck role. At the moment we've got Cordy, Caminiti, Hayes and Keeley competing for that spot.

I haven't heard any suggestions for available KPDs that I believe would make us a better side.

Bing is the one that makes any sense for the second forward option, but that would be burning our draft capital and salary cap space, and also essentially writing off Caminiti and Keeleys development opportunities.

Just keep hitting the draft. Especially before the Tassie team comes in.

I wouldn’t mess with the back 6 unless absolutely necessary, not only do they work well, they’re tight as.

As for Battle being a B-Grader…



Also, he’s taken the fifth most marks in the league this year, beating Cal Wilkie (6th).

In my book, that’s an A-Grader, without necessarily being elite.

 

[Armoooo]

I wouldn’t mess with the back 6 unless absolutely necessary, not only do they work well, they’re tight as.

As for Battle being a B-Grader…

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Also, he’s taken the fifth most marks in the league this year, beating Cal Wilkie (6th).

In my book, that’s an A-Grader, without necessarily being elite.

Only thing that stops him being an A Grader for me is that he's a little undersized for a modern key position player. As good as he is, he will be exposed against the really big forwards.

We sooked a lot about Curnows frees on the weekend, but they were there (albeit on the softer side) and it was because Battle didn't have the size needed to nullify Curnows size.

 

[Murraj1966]

go hard at freo. place is imploding

See if we can lure Andy over to play for the coach who made him so great apparently

'I owe a lot of my success to him': Brayshaw backs Lyon for Saints gig

Andrew Brayshaw has thrown his support behind his former mentor, saying he taught him a lot of life lessons

www.afl.com.au

 

[SteeleSaints]

I could be / am likely completely misreading things, but Gresh seems to be the least “bought in” to the team, out of every other player I’ve seen play a match, this season. Without recording anything objectively, I feel as though he has been the one most likely to burn teammates, most likely to try to take on too much independently, and the least celebratory after a teammate kicks a goal - sometimes even visibly upset.

Hopefully someone with actual knowledge can correct me, as body language and some decision making errors are all I have to go off and the former can be deceiving.

I thought last week he was fully invested, working hard both ways. His game against Collingwood was poor and his carry on towards Caminiti even worse. But the one thing you can gaurantee with Lyon, is he keeps players committed to the team ethos. So there would have been some communication last week and I thought Gresham responded well. He has never been a huge pressure player, but Id imagine he has been told to work on it.

His body language can be a bit hard to judge and I wouldnt be reading too much into what you have seen. Im sure the coaches and the other players keep each other grounded.

 

[Barrels]

Only thing that stops him being an A Grader for me is that he's a little undersized for a modern key position player. As good as he is, he will be exposed against the really big forwards.

We sooked a lot about Curnows frees on the weekend, but they were there (albeit on the softer side) and it was because Battle didn't have the size needed to nullify Curnows size.

Curnow 194cm 94kg
Battle 193cm 93kg

And most of the frees were absolutely NOT there.

 

[Armoooo]

If Gresh wants to go, it's not a huge deal anymore, wouldn't have him in our top 10 most important players anymore.

I hope he stays, but if he goes we'd be freeing up $600-700k and probably get an end of first round compensation pick.

 

[Armoooo]

Curnow 194cm 94kg
Battle 193cm 93kg

And most of the frees were absolutely NOT there.

Curnow is so good at reading the flight of the ball and protecting the space where the ball is going to drop that you would rather your defender have a couple of inches on him.

As for Curnows goals"

1. Battle had his right hand around Curnows waist and he was trying to hold him back, before switching hands and trying to hold him with the left hand.
Soft but there.

2. Wilkie's arm is clearly over the shoulder, close to around the neck.
There every day of the week.

3. The whistle is blown after Curnow takes a mark. Then Battle goes across the mark and puts his hands into Curnows back who was ready to flop for the soft 50.
Curnow milked it to make sure the ump knew about it, but it was there.

If the bar for free kicks were consistently as low as the first and third ones, then Rooey would have kicked 1500 goals.

If King gets them all paid like that, he'll be a chance to win the Coleman from half a season.

They were soft, but by the book they were there. We just had one of those days where they got their soft ones but we didn't get ours.