List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

 

[The Cobra]

His first lot of games were excellent but he was running around loose on half back with no opponent. Now he's more accountable and under pressure his kicks aren't as clean. Hopefully as he settles he'll get that precision back.

Watched him closely during the preseason small sided match sim which is very tight & congested - NAS and Sincs the 2 who were both elite at hitting targets from half back. As long as his confidence isn’t adversely impacted I think once he plays more games at half back he will do the same in the real thing.

Dont forget it took Sincs a while & he is now our best at hitting targets.

 

[hayes]

Watched him closely during the preseason small sided match sim which is very tight & congested - NAS and Sincs the 2 who were both elite at hitting targets from half back. As long as his confidence isn’t adversely impacted I think once he plays more games at half back he will do the same in the real thing.

Dont forget it took Sincs a while & he is now our best at hitting targets.

Sinclair was class from day one. That’s probably not common though.

 

[The Cobra]

Sinclair was class from day one. That’s probably not common though.

Fair comment - though he wasnt the player he is now when he played wing under Richo and got dropped to Sandy - well done Richo!

 

[gringo2011]

Why are we talking about some Ed Philips lookalike who Port drafted at pick 14 3 years ago as an apt replacement for Nas who is younger and more talented?

I would assume that in this scenario, we would also get steak knives picks in the trade, or is Bergman himself the steak knives?

He's probably ahead of Nas at the moment. It's more trying to get something back rather than get burnt again.

 

[bird_man]

Not at all, that's why I'm asking? He does look like Ed Phillips in his club portrait, that's all I know.

No worries, I thought you were comparing their football abilities

He's tracking to be a very good footballer.

I wouldn't say Nas is more talented than him.

 

[bird_man]

Man bun, stands off, no contact, takes cream, dances around like tough guy.
Nahhhhhhh
Pass

9 contested possessions last week, 10 in the pre season game

Hardly stands off

 

[saintmike65]

We’ve been raising this idea for a while on here. It makes a lot of sense, but in reality it will never work near as well as it does for Geelong.

Unless we are really flying, players aren’t going to choose us over the likes of Richmond to save themselves a bit of travel in the car.

And in terms of drafting locally, we don’t really have an issue with retaining players. We will always lose the odd interstate player but rarely does a Melbourne based player ask to be traded.

The fact that the Sandy dragons are based at Moorabbin has something to do with this strategy..players already feel comfortable there.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I think half back is not the best position for Nas. Lots of tackling pressure from the opposition, same reason Hill also sucked at half back.

Nas is good when there is plenty of space for him to run into. He is not the best defender/lack physicality, then panicks when he has to dispose the ball, it’s a lose lose situation, I really hope he can turn it around, but I see Paton is a much better choice at half back.

Jesus… Paton better than Nas? Panics & is soft?

The re-writing of history has begun already.

Sorry but what a load of tripe.


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[saintmike65]

He's probably ahead of Nas at the moment. It's more trying to get something back rather than get burnt again.

Not sure why there’s all this chatter about Nas leaving..he’s very happy at our club, the fact he hasn’t signed is a smart strategy. If he has a very good season he can negotiate a better contract.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I think half back is not the best position for Nas. Lots of tackling pressure from the opposition, same reason Hill also sucked at half back.

Nas is good when there is plenty of space for him to run into. He is not the best defender/lack physicality, then panicks when he has to dispose the ball, it’s a lose lose situation, I really hope he can turn it around, but I see Paton is a much better choice at half back.

What are you talking about? NAS tackling has been a feature, as is his areal contest for someone with his light frame. He has sure hands and takes his turn.

He doesn't have a whole lot of body strength or craft to really compete for 1v1 so he's going to lose some defensive contests but he's certainly not afraid of body contact.

Sounds like you are stereotyping, to be honest

 

[saintmike65]

Why are we talking about some Ed Philips lookalike who Port drafted at pick 14 3 years ago as an apt replacement for Nas who is younger and more talented?

I would assume that in this scenario, we would also get steak knives picks in the trade, or is Bergman himself the steak knives?

Bergman is injury prone, some element of risk with him!

 

[sunny3193]

The fact that the Sandy dragons are based at Moorabbin has something to do with this strategy..players already feel comfortable there.

Are there any other clubs that have entry level feeders living in the same building like St Kilda and the Dragons?

 

[saintmike65]

Berg does want to come back and it will be us when he does

Bergman or Sinn would both be a good pick ups regardless of NWM decision. They are good in the air for their size and we cant get enough of those players IMO. With RTB at the helm I think our club will be a whole lot more attractive to outside players than it has been for a very long time ie Watters, Richardson, Ratten (what an inspirational group).

I have a lot more confidence on the trade front with SOS and Gubby at the helm.

 

[gringo2011]

Bergman is injury prone, some element of risk with him!

Had a botched shoulder surgery that needed a second clean up then got chronic fatigue symptoms. Hardly injury prone. Sinn looks injury prone.

 

[bird_man]

The fact that the Sandy dragons are based at Moorabbin has something to do with this strategy..players already feel comfortable there.

Yeah I understand why we are choosing the strategy

Just can't see us having a lot of success just because they played a few games at Moorabbin.

I really hope I'm wrong because the talent in the area is outstanding, but I think there are too many options around us for it to be a huge success

 

[bird_man]

I think half back is not the best position for Nas. Lots of tackling pressure from the opposition, same reason Hill also sucked at half back.

Nas is good when there is plenty of space for him to run into. He is not the best defender/lack physicality, then panicks when he has to dispose the ball, it’s a lose lose situation, I really hope he can turn it around, but I see Paton is a much better choice at half back.

Half back is probably the easiest position to play these days and you'll win more easy footy there than anywhere on the ground.

I like putting him in a spot where we can get the ball in his hand. Having to kick the footy under a bit of pressure every now and then us only going to be good for his game.

 

[saintmike65]

Jesus… Paton better than Nas? Panics & is soft?

The re-writing of history has begun already.

Sorry but what a load of tripe.


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Paton soft..please, surely you gest!!
He may have some deficiencies but that’s not one of them.

 

[goodie23]

Paton soft..please, surely you gest!!
He may have some deficiencies but that’s not one of them.

Think Winmar2Lockett is bristling at the suggestion that Nas "panics and is soft".

 

[sammm]

Not sure why there’s all this chatter about Nas leaving..he’s very happy at our club, the fact he hasn’t signed is a smart strategy. If he has a very good season he can negotiate a better contract.

I'm sure ypu realise that because he has not re-signed, everyone believes he wants to go home. If that's the case what can we get for him

 

[bird_man]

Not sure why there’s all this chatter about Nas leaving..he’s very happy at our club, the fact he hasn’t signed is a smart strategy. If he has a very good season he can negotiate a better contract.

That's a very different narrative to what we've all heard over the last few months

If it was such a good strategy more kids would do it, but the majority of the first round of that draft has signed up

I'd imagine he's been offered a decent deal, I think he's genuinely homesick

 

[StCicatriz]

Jesus… Paton better than Nas? Panics & is soft?

The re-writing of history has begun already.

Sorry but what a load of tripe.


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I don't think nas is soft and I don't think Paton is either

But Paton has a better body of work today but he's also older. Paton has produced more consistent footy.

Having said that I think nas has way more upside and i think he could really be an AA winger.

 

[gringo2011]

Jesus… Paton better than Nas? Panics & is soft?

The re-writing of history has begun already.

Sorry but what a load of tripe.


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He probably is at this point. You are really basing it off his ceiling which is only an opinion because until they are both 100 games into their careers there is no accurate way to measure it.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Paton soft..please, surely you gest!!
He may have some deficiencies but that’s not one of them.

Re-read what I posted Mike. That wasn’t a description of Paton (who’s as hard as a cat’s head).

Was in response to Mr Foster saying Nas panics & is soft.


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[Winmar2Lockett]

He probably is at this point. You are really basing it off his ceiling which is only an opinion because until they are both 100 games into their careers there is no accurate way to measure it.

Or course I’m basing it on what Nas could be.

Paton is a reliable GOP and Nas has the talent to be an absolute star.

Having said that in terms of importance to our team right now, Nas’ role is more vital than Paton’s.


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[Minga]

Or course I’m basing it on what Nas could be.

Paton is a reliable GOP and Nas has the talent to be an absolute star.

Having said that in terms of importance to our team right now, Nas’ role is more vital than Paton’s.


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Just as an aside, the optimistic in me thinks Paton could be a star in his position, eg - being the best small forward stopper in the game.

But, I’m thinking back to 2020 when he was thriving and regularly doing a job on quality players whilst Webster was out injured for the year.

Admittedly his current position has a bit more flexibility now that Webster is back and also a high quality, underrated player. And he would be perceived as a GOP by most, but I still think the potential is there one day.

The difference is that Nas could potentially be a true star, in that he plays an exciting role, talented and offensive in nature, and could get bums on seats and be used in marketing etc. His ceiling is quite high, but he has a bit of a way to go too to get there… naturally for a second year player!