List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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[Dard Ball Get]

Ahh yes, prime Sandra Sultry

 

[Yawkey way]

I think your missing the point, Gresh manager talks to Ess they agree to a wage which Gresh wants and agrees to go there that should be end of negotiating so what happened either Gresh wants more then he asked for or Ess down graded his $$$ it should be black & white no more talk.

So now Gresh is in limbo cause Ess have changed the deal.

I don’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, where has anyone suggested Gresham isn’t happy ?. What’s certain in this is clearly st Kilda aren’t happy and have acted accordingly.

 

[puppy_dog7]

But they have worked on Gresham. Convinced him to go there. Convinced him to publicly nominate Essendon as his club of choice.

At some point there is corporate responsibility to get the deal done for the player, rather than leaving him high and dry because they haven’t planned for other contingencies.

The failed Dunkley trade is exhibit-A. A shocking look for that club and humiliated Dunkley, who stuck his neck on the block by nominating Essendon as a contracted player.

Essendon knew the Bulldogs would demand 2 x 1st RDPs. Bulldogs were transparent from day one what they wanted. But Essendon refused to pay-up. Dunkley was abandoned and had to awkwardly return back to the Bulldogs.

It almost happened to Dylan Shiel in 2018. GWS wanted 2 x 1st RDPs but Dodoro refused to do it, even though Shiel nominated Essendon as his club of choice.

In the dying hours of that trade period Dan Richardson (Dodoro’s boss) pulled the trigger and sidelined Dodoro. Richardson got it done (trading 2 x 1st RDPs) because a club commitment was made to the player.

Sometimes clubs have a moral obligation to get deals done for players that publicly nominate them for trade. They take a personal risk in doing so.

Exactly right.

Not quite as bad but Don’t forget the fact Daniher wanted out of Essendon due to poor rehab treatment and wanting to get out of Melb.
Sydney offered up pick 9 and a future 1st round pick (which ended up being pick 3 Logan McDonald).
Essendon rejected and let him go for a pick 7 compo the following year.

This was all because of dodoro’s ego and wanting to win every trade.

 

[George]

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Can I get 10 BORKS instead, chief?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think your missing the point, Gresh manager talks to Ess they agree to a wage which Gresh wants and agrees to go there that should be end of negotiating so what happened either Gresh wants more then he asked for or Ess down graded his $$$ it should be black & white no more talk.

So now Gresh is in limbo cause Ess have changed the deal.

Give him a hug and bring him home.
Get BJ to give him a heart to heart about the bullet he dodged.
( You'd think that Paddy Ryder would have warned him ).

 

[George]

I don’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, where has anyone suggested Gresham isn’t happy ?. What’s certain in this is clearly st Kilda aren’t happy and have acted accordingly.

Gresham has no issues with anyone at the Saints

 

[L_W_P]

We should flip the script and try to trade for Duursma now.

Talk to him about how Dunkley and Gresham both got stuffed around etc...

 

[D2D3]

How badly does he want out? I feel as if it’s a complete money decision for gresh

Looks like we'll find out now. If it is just money and we match he stays surely.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don’t see how you’ve come to that conclusion, where has anyone suggested Gresham isn’t happy ?. What’s certain in this is clearly st Kilda aren’t happy and have acted accordingly.

StKilda can only match or not match.
What actions are you suggesting they've taken?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Can I get 10 BORKS instead, chief?

 

[St Neil]

Wonder if half of Gresham's problem is his agent.

It’s hard to know. And at the end of the day it is a business decision. Fair enough as well.

But football clubs should be honouring the good faith of players who publicly nominate them when draft picks aren’t involved (FA) or when they are contracted. That is a fair balance they should straddle.

 

[Mangus]

If we match Gresham's FA deal do we only need to match the guaranteed $$ in Essendons offer only or the incentives as well? That might shape our appetite to match and Gresham's attitude to staying.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Time to Bork the thread.

 

[kernelT]

Can I get 10 BORKS instead, chief?

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Have you two boys finished selecting your subjects for year 10 yet?

What did I say about spending time on the computer before getting that done?

 

[Mangus]

If we match Gresham's FA deal do we only need to match the guaranteed $$ in Essendons offer only or the incentives as well? That might shape our appetite to match and Gresham's attitude to staying.

Just did the research it is just the guaranteed portion and years etc not incentives so easy decision you would think

 

[Saints43]

Time to find out if other clubs are still interested in jade gresham

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Jade Gresham

Age

27

Ht

177cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

. Flick Essendon. I'd be happy to keep him and make him a big game player for us. If the whole team had played like he did in the finals, we'd have got a lot further into September.

I like Gresh and I'll be disappointed if he leaves. Any player who, in the worst season in their career, kicks 21 goals from the midfield can be a special player.
I think we should back him in.
But I understand he has to go if he and the staff aren't on the same page.

 

[Yawkey way]

StKilda can only match or not match.
What actions are you suggesting they've taken?

Obviously they’ve taken the only course of action they can and have matched. I’m not sure why anyone is annoyed with essendon or Gresham, this is the system at work.

 

[kernelT]

Time to Bork the thread.

 

[sauce_head]

We're matching according to Sam Edmund

Is there anything stopping him from nominating another club now? Bedsides that another club would have to be interested of course.

 

[stavro#4]

I wonder if we are asking for essendons second round picks this year and next.

Then give one for Henry

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Pardon me]

Give him a hug and bring him home.
Get BJ to give him a heart to heart about the bullet he dodged.
( You'd think that Paddy Ryder would have warned him ).

Isnt Ryder back at Essendon?

 

[kernelT]

The compo system is way out of date if the average wage is 500k.

 

[stavro#4]

Is there anything stopping him from nominating another club now? Bedsides that another club would have to be interested of course.

If it’s officially lodged. Not sure you can nominate a new club. Also free agency ends Friday

 

[FrogDude]

The compo system is way out of date if the average wage is 500k.

Average wage only hits 500k in 2027 under the new CBA