List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

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Hayes4PM said:
Are all the oppo clubs still fighting over Dougal Howard???
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Saintpav said:
w***er.
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Thing is, he is right. Isn't the guy minted now off some bullshit land investment he made a few years ago?

Brilliant he definitely isn't, but he certainly doesn't need to do this job for money and you'd think he doesn't care much if anyone thinks he's competent.

But yes, he is a total w***er.
 

Saints to trade if compensation for losing Gresham unsatisfactory ​

The focus of the AFL trade period will turn to whether Essendon’s offer for restricted free agent Jade Gresham will be enough to trigger the end of first round selection his former club St Kilda will need not to match the deal and force a trade.
The Bombers want to add Gresham to their two free agent acquisitions Ben McKay and Todd Goldstein without using any of the draft capital they have as they look to add young talent to their list while remaining competitive.
St Kilda star [PLAYERCARD]Jade Gresham[/PLAYERCARD] wants to join Essendon.

St Kilda star Jade Gresham wants to join Essendon.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
St Kilda football manager David Misson made it clear on SEN the club would match the offer if the compensation did not fall after their first draft pick, which currently sits at pick 13, while the Bombers are equally adamant they won’t entertain a trade.

The Saints re-signed Hunter Clark for two seasons and are confident of completing a deal to secure Blues’ midfielder Paddy Dow for a third or fourth round pick. However, discussions over Fremantle’s Liam Henry will take longer with the Saints unwilling to meet the Dockers’ demands of a first round pick.



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Yawkey way said:
The afl are just a joke at present. You could look the other way when they placed a finger on the scales but this is an act of stupidity that will be felt by teams trying to do the right thing for a decade or more.
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We’ve never cheated, tanked or injected. We have been sh*t for ages and we are permanently behind the 8 ball.

It’s bloody demoralising actually.
 
Gotta be honest.
We're letting a player out the door and we are happy with pick 20? Which means he worth less than Doodee. Which after bids and all that shit probably turns out to be pick 24/25.
We might hate Dildo but at least he's got some balls. We try to accommodate everyone and still get shafted.
 
Saint Shags said:
Gotta be honest.
We're letting a player out the door and we are happy with pick 20? Which means he worth less than Doodee. Which after bids and all that s**t probably turns out to be pick 24/25.
We might hate Dildo but at least he's got some balls. We try to accommodate everyone and still get shafted.
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We might get lucky with that pick. Gresham has peaked already, he’s a known entity.
 
Diehard Saint said:
We’ve never cheated, tanked or injected. We have been sh*t for ages and we are permanently behind the 8 ball.

It’s bloody demoralising actually.
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It's bullshit, we improve slightly on field and all of a sudden get a compromised draft position. Stuck in no man's land forever.

AFL call the draft an equalisation tool but shit all over it every year.
 
stavro#4 said:
Clubs are aware of a de-identified AFL document that shows TPP uplift exposure from club-to-club.

Some clubs are close to Essendon and West Coast, who have zero exposure, because they have also played hardball and rarely agreed to uplift clauses in contract negotiations.

St Kilda is also understood to be one of the least-exposed clubs.

The strategy employed by the Dons and Eagles also helps their planning because they can accurately estimate their salary cap position.

But rival clubs argue that a player they re-sign for $400,000 with an up-lift clause would demand $500,000 from Essendon.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...k=6b1e9ca060ccc4fcf66b5d92f87a9c4a-1697007912
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Pardon my ignorance, but what on earth does 'de-identified' mean?

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Saint Shags said:
Gotta be honest.
We're letting a player out the door and we are happy with pick 20? Which means he worth less than Doodee. Which after bids and all that s**t probably turns out to be pick 24/25.
We might hate Dildo but at least he's got some balls. We try to accommodate everyone and still get shafted.
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He is a RFA, that's the rules, otherwise we match and force a trade or keep him.

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my name was taken said:
It's bullshit, we improve slightly on field and all of a sudden get a compromised draft position. Stuck in no man's land forever.

AFL call the draft an equalisation tool but s**t all over it every year.
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Instigated by this new woman at AFL who came from North Melbourne. It could not be more corrupt.
We have 60k members but the AFL could not care less if we ever get close, they give North 5 frdps this draft, Fold Coast 3 academy picks, Bulldogs another FS, and next year Carlton get two.
But it's all equal because we got Owens and Windy, don't know why I bother.

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BrutThough said:
We have reached 'threaten Pre Season draft' stage of negotiations with Essendon.



Essendon could wait for pre-season draft to land Saint Gresham​


Essendon could attempt to snare St Kilda’s Jade Gresham in the pre-season draft in the event the Saints match a bid for the free agent goal kicker.
The Bombers could front-end Gresham’s contract to snare him in the draft in a similar manner to the way Carlton landed Jack Martin in 2019.

Importantly, Essendon has significant salary cap space to be able to put a price on Gresham’s head to help ward off rival clubs, such as Hawthorn and Fremantle, earlier in the draft order.

The Blues landed Martin for nothing with a heavily front-ended seven-figure first-year salary after Gold Coast baulked at a second-round pick trade offer from Carlton.

But the Bombers’ preference is to secure Gresham as a free agent as part of a move which could generate either an end-of-first-round or second-round compensation pick for the Saints.

St Kilda on Wednesday said the club would consider keeping Gresham at the club due to his strong relationship with Ross Lyon if the compensation pick was not end-of-first-round.

The Saints could also match a bid in an effort to strike a better trade deal – similar to GWS Giants with Geelong on Jeremy Cameron – but Essendon does not want to trade, raising the prospect of a pre-season draft bailout.

The Bombers may be only willing to pay Gresham $600,000 a year, which would likely result in a second-round compensation pick, instead of $700,000, which could trigger end-of-first-round compensation.

St Kilda lost gun onballer Luke Ball to the draft to Collingwood for nothing in 2009 after the Saints’ trade talks with Collingwood broke down. Martin followed in 2019 in a huge coup for the Blues where Stephen Silvagni (now at St Kilda) was list manager until December that year.

Essendon has about a $2.5 million war chest to spend on its four targets – Ben McKay, Todd Goldstein, Gresham and Xavier Duursma – although Duursma will have to be traded.

St Kilda has pick 13 in next month’s draft and have been in talks with clubs, including North Melbourne, about potentially swapping its pick either up or down the draft order.

Another top-25 pick could give the Saints some flexibility to target either pick eight from Geelong or Essendon’s pick nine to get into the top-10 where the best players are.

Recruiters are convinced there is a considerable talent drop-off after pick nine or 10, making picks in the teens a trickier prospect in this year’s talent pool.

Essendon list boss Adrian Dodoro said the Bombers, who have begun a successful trade period already snaring two key players, would lodge a bid for Gresham by Thursday afternoon.

“We are probably going to lodge documentation in the next 24 hours,” Dodoro said on AFL Trade Radio.

“We haven’t discussed anything with St Kilda (regards a trade) we are just talking to his management (Matt Bain from TLA) at the present time.”

The Bombers have picks nine and 30 and could hold on to them until draft night when the club could be open for talks about a pick swap.

Remarkably, key defender Daniel Curtin could slide to the bottom half of the top-10 as rivals zero in on some other exciting playmakers amid concerns Curtin may want to return home to Western Australia.

St Kilda head of football David Misson said the Saints may match an offer for Gresham to either keep him or force Essendon to stump up more in a trade.

The Saints are also looking to bring in Carlton onballer Paddy Dow and Fremantle playmaker Liam Henry.

But the Saints need a pick for Gresham.

“The ball is really in Essendon’s court to lodge an offer for Jade and his management is working with Essendon to get that going,” Misson said.

“Once that is done we need to decide whether we are going to match that offer or potentially facilitate a trade there.

“If we decided to match there would be a trade, but depending on the offer Essendon made that would obviously drive that compensation for us.

“We are hoping for as good a compensation pick as we can there but it is totally dependent on the offer that Essendon makes.

“Jade is a very high-level player, he kicked 20 goals for us this year and he has been a really established player at St Kilda and we are hoping to get an end-of-first-round pick is what we would be after there.”

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St Kilda head of football David Misson said the Saints may match an offer for Gresham to either keep him or force Essendon to stump up more in a trade.

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“If we decided to match there would be a trade, but depending on the offer Essendon made that would obviously drive that compensation for us.

“We are hoping for as good a compensation pick as we can there but it is totally dependent on the offer that Essendon makes.

“Jade is a very high-level player, he kicked 20 goals for us this year and he has been a really established player at St Kilda and we are hoping to get an end-of-first-round pick is what we would be after there.”

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“….if the compensation doesn’t fall within the first 40 picks”. Mitch Cleary

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St Kilda football manager David Misson made it clear* on SEN the club would match the offer if the compensation did not fall after their first draft pick, which currently sits at pick 13

*obviously not bloody clear enough!
 
I think people need to understand the last few days.

Club based on Missions comments rate Gresham as pick 19/20.

To get pick 13. We had to trade for Shiel. Shiel has since had knee surgery and won’t recover from that until the end of November. He has a foot injury that could potentially delay his start to the season.

There is no first round compo without this part of the deal.

If Essendon trigger band 3 we match.
 
stavro#4 said:
I think people need to understand the last few days.

Club based on Missions comments rate Gresham as pick 19/20.

To get pick 13. We had to trade for Shiel. Shiel has since had knee surgery and won’t recover from that until the end of November. He has a foot injury that could potentially delay his start to the season.

There is no first round compo without this part of the deal.

If Essendon trigger band 3 we match.
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Shiel was going to be a seperate deal?
 
No good playing the ‘woe is me’ card and blaming the AFL. The free agent compensation rules are the rules… we can moan about Essendon not manipulating them to our advantage but why would they now the Shiel deal is off the table?

We’ve made poor drafting decisions historically (outside of the last 2 years) and been a middle of the table team… what does that equate to - late draft picks and little trade currency.

We’ve done well to attract Dow and Henry and probably keep our first and second round draft picks.
 
stavro#4 said:
Yes 2 different deals. Because one is a free agent. The other trade.

But both linked.

Can’t have one without the other
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Okay, so in that case what happens if we do the Shiel trade last day of Trade. All ready have Gresh Compo by then?
 
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