List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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Courtesy of Lore

 

[stavro#4]

The age -

Essendon and St Kilda are moving closer to a deal that would give the Saints an end-of-first-round selection as free agency compensation for forward Jade Gresham

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Jade Gresham

Age

27

Ht

177cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

, a source familiar with the talks but not authorised to speak publicly said.

There were hopes paperwork could have been lodged on Thursday, but it’s expected an agreement will be in place before Friday’s 5pm deadline for free agency offers to be made.

If the Saints match an offer for Gresham, the Dons would need to trade for him, a scenario they do not want.

Meanwhile, the Western Bulldogs’ second-round selection of 39 could be involved for the deal to send Nick Coffield, the No.8 pick in 2017, to Whitten Oval.

The Saints would like that pick to be used for Fremantle wingman Liam Henry, though an earlier second-round pick, either this year or next, may be needed for Saints list boss Stephen Silvagni to acquire the Dockers’ Next Generation Academy product he bid for with pick nine in 2019 when at Carlton.

Paddy Dow

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Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

’s late-season improvement could net the Blues a fourth round or future-third round selection from St Kilda.

Dow, whom Silvagni selected with pick three in 2017 and played 73 games for the Blues, has a three-year offer with the Saints.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Think you mean Ratten, Richo was gone by 2019

True. They are starting to blend in with each other.

Rattardson

 

[George]

What was all the pissing about this week if Dodoro ultimately ends up giving us what we wanted anyway

What a waste of time this whole two weeks is lol

 

[Yawkey way]

In what fashion have we trumpeted our intentions at all? Every move so far has been played out by the media without any influence from us. You literally mention Howard but there has been absolutely no club based notion that he was ever on the trade table and he was never dropped he was just not brought back early from a broken wrist.

So far we actually ARE negotiating hard by 1) Arguing against Fremantles want for a first rounder for Liam Henry. 2) Demanding an actual usable pick for Coffield 3) wanting a token pick paid for Dow considering Carlton really dont want him at all and 4) Stating that we will match a poor compensation pick/contract for Gresham and either keep him or force a trade.

What have you heard from Carlton, Fremantle, Essendon and the bulldogs?. What was said at the b&f, what was quoted in the papers?. How about we just play the bloody game, plenty of time to sell what did or didn’t happen after the trade period is over.

What do you think Dow and Henry are really worth? Let’s see what we pay. What is Gresham really worth? Let’s see the offer and so on.

 

[gringo2011]

I think I saw him jacking a car in Sunshine.

 

[Nomis2933]

I hate it when we dangle the wrong vegetable.

I'm pretty sure we shopped a few players and Howard looks like one of them. We were actively trying to get another FRDP and Howard, Gresham, Billings types were being dangled. Unfortunately they were more parsnips than carrots by the look of it.

I'm still hoping that we keep them and back them getting back to their best than cashing out and gambling again.

 

[saintmike65]

In all seriousness

If Butters is sniffing to come home

Would anyone be happy with
Butter for NAS..??

Yep…Butters is elite & I’ve got a gut feeling Nas won’t be a long termer with us!

 

[Yawkey way]

What was all the pissing about this week if Dodoro ultimately ends up giving us what we wanted anyway

What a waste of time this whole two weeks is lol

He’s getting other players in and trading others out knowing he has the upper hand with us hanging on this pick. If he pays up he’s still lost nothing but at least he tried for the best deal he could get, I think that’s just fair play.

 

[gringo2011]

Yep…Butters is elite & I’ve got a gut feeling Nas won’t be a long termed with us!

If you were a list manager it would be a no brainer. You take the guy that is pretty much elite already but the thought of losing one of the few good kids that we've managed to draft ourselves is a pretty awful thought. I want both. You'd rather give up a bunch of first round picks.

 

[saintmike65]

Can any kind Saints supporters tell me if Coffield played any footy on the wing with you guys?

Is that a role he could potentially play?

Also, what are his knocks?

Cheers

He’s an intercept defender, reasonable by foot & good pair of hands.
He’s had 3 leg injuries in the past 2 years but looks ok now…could be a handy pick up for you guys at very little cost.
Knock on him from my point of view is he’s a bit soft

 

[stavro#4]

What have you heard from Carlton, Fremantle, Essendon and the bulldogs?. What was said at the b&f, what was quoted in the papers?. How about we just play the bloody game, plenty of time to sell what did or didn’t happen after the trade period is over.

What do you think Dow and Henry are really worth? Let’s see what we pay. What is Gresham really worth? Let’s see the offer and so on.

You do realise Essendon didn’t acknowledge Shiel at all during last weeks BnF when It was thought he was coming to us.

As for Fremantle, they as asking a top 10 pick for Henry who has arguably shown less then Coffield. But trying to play on the fact he had a few decent disposal games late.

And your previous posts about Billings are off the mark. Why is it a necessity the club say something after his manager tried to sell him like a late night infomercial?

 

[stavro#4]

He’s an intercept defender, reasonable by foot & good pair of hands.
He’s had 3 leg injuries in the past 2 years but looks ok now…could be a handy pick up for you guys at very little cost.
Knock on him from my point of view is he’s a bit soft

He struggles when he needs to defend 1on1

 

[sunny3193]

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Unbelievable.
Nine clubs making up the numbers.
What a joke.

 

[D2D3]

The age -

Essendon and St Kilda are moving closer to a deal that would give the Saints an end-of-first-round selection as free agency compensation for forward Jade Gresham, a source familiar with the talks but not authorised to speak publicly said.

There were hopes paperwork could have been lodged on Thursday, but it’s expected an agreement will be in place before Friday’s 5pm deadline for free agency offers to be made.

If the Saints match an offer for Gresham, the Dons would need to trade for him, a scenario they do not want.

Meanwhile, the Western Bulldogs’ second-round selection of 39 could be involved for the deal to send Nick Coffield, the No.8 pick in 2017, to Whitten Oval.

The Saints would like that pick to be used for Fremantle wingman Liam Henry, though an earlier second-round pick, either this year or next, may be needed for Saints list boss Stephen Silvagni to acquire the Dockers’ Next Generation Academy product he bid for with pick nine in 2019 when at Carlton.

Paddy Dow’s late-season improvement could net the Blues a fourth round or future-third round selection from St Kilda.

Dow, whom Silvagni selected with pick three in 2017 and played 73 games for the Blues, has a three-year offer with the Saints.

This is all much better news. A late second for Coff seems optomistic but I'll take it if we can pull it off.

 

[D2D3]

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This would be handy if it was in numerical order

 

[sunny3193]

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Has any club ever acquired more than 20% of the draft points before?

 

[saintmike65]

This is all much better news. A late second for Coff seems optomistic but I'll take it if we can pull it off.

We’d likely have to give them pick 55 back after getting 39…doubt we’d use that anyway

 

[The Inbetweener]

This is all much better news. A late second for Coff seems optomistic but I'll take it if we can pull it off.

Someone on our board mentioned the trade will be 39 for Coffield and 55.

Good luck with Dodoro today

 

[pebblesofsand]

Someone on our board mentioned the trade will be 39 for Coffield and 55.

Good luck with Dodoro today

So eq of pick 53 for Coffield.

Nah!!

 

[stavro#4]

So eq of pick 53 for Coffield.

Nah!!

That’s irrelevant.

We wanted and are getting a second round pick.

 

[kernelT]

If you draft well and contend for flags, then there'll be a bunch of decent players not getting a game at AFL level. Still surprised Geelong has traded out 27 though. Richmond have held onto everyone they wanted to.

We prefer the draft > wait 4 years > de-list approach.

 

[hangdog]

I hate it when we dangle the wrong vegetable.

I'd like to think i dangle a snake bean, but sadly I'm more of a Thai chilli...

 

[The Punter]

The nine are: Hickey, Acres, McEvoy, Bruce, Cripps, Stanley, Steven, Hind, Long.

 

[hangdog]

So eq of pick 53 for Coffield.

Nah!!

Not really because we won't use pick 55.

 

[heynow85]