Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Betts are off]

There's a lot of talent but you have to remember each club has their preferred players sorted in a ranked list, or at the very least tiers. So unless you know Hamish and know he has ranked the top 5 players evenly then it's just crazy saying we're happy with the guy we get at 4 because they're all so even. That's simply not true.

We would have a clear ranking with this top 4. So what you're saying is you're happy settling for the guy we have potentially 4th on our list. I'm saying, I'd rather slide our first back to norths second next year and get the guy we want 1st or 2nd most in this draft.

Nope, that's just bad business mate. Pure and simple.

You trade up to the next echelon when you are outside of the one you want to be in. You don't waste assets when you are already in the top tier.

They would have an order, but also brackets of players in their pick range. It wouldn't surprise me if there were 5 or even 6 players in their top bracket from this draft.

 

[OccamsRazorRay]

For me if Lalor and Fos are both off the board and it comes down to choosing between Draper and Smith it's a no brainer Draper by plenty for 2 reasons mostly speed and impact per possession and no go home factor Cardijn College/Crows supporter vs Melbourne Private Schol boy/Scotch College/Collingwood supporter.

Spent some time with one of the coaches at South Adelaide last time Bays played down there, said he's an absolutely ripping kid, really level headed. Future Captain material and already has really professional attributes. Said he's just marginally behind in terms of ability at where JHF was same age, but in his opinion has a higher ceiling.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Spent some time with one of the coaches at South Adelaide last time Bays played down there, said he's an absolutely ripping kid, really level headed. Future Captain material and already has really professional attributes. Said he's just marginally behind in terms of ability at where JHF was same age, but in his opinion has a higher ceiling.

Higher ceiling than JHF …. Pleaaaaaaaaase

Sorry but no way , not in anyway a better prospect than JHF who can do way more including win one on ones deep forward

Can completely understand the comments on character , reckon that’s why Richmond are keen on him

 

[Dewy006]

The only way it's a bad trade is if the Crows have another stinker which I think is highly unlikely.

What on earth in the last 7 years has led you to believe that is highly unlikely?

 

[StonesThrow]

Higher ceiling than JHF …. Pleaaaaaaaaase

Sorry but no way , not in anyway a better prospect than JHF who can do way more including win one on ones deep forward

Can completely understand the comments on character , reckon that’s why Richmond are keen on him

People now underrate Horne because he plays for Port.

 

[Big Dub]

Higher ceiling than JHF …. Pleaaaaaaaaase

Sorry but no way , not in anyway a better prospect than JHF who can do way more including win one on ones deep forward

Can completely understand the comments on character , reckon that’s why Richmond are keen on him

It's interesting.

Draper was a starting mid for Souths, averaging 22.2 disposals, 4.7 clearances and 0.3 goals per game.

JHF averaged 16.5 disposals, 3.2 clearances and 0.8 goals per game in his draft year.

Draper earnt more midfield time, with JHF also playing flank. So you could argue that JHF projects as the better mid/ fwd and Draper the better mid.

If you only looked at the stats.

JHF played 20 games for a team finishing 5th on the ladder, while Draper got 9 games for a tream finishing second bottom.

My money's on JHF, but the stats suggest it's not as clear cut as that from a pure mid perspective. There's also JHF's professionalism issues. You never know . . .

 

[Jeffcrowe]

People now underrate Horne because he plays for Port.

Yep

JHF was putting in match winning performances in sanfl finals including bags of goals

He also went pick 1 ahead of Darcy and Daicos

If Draper had a higher ceiling than JHF all clubs would be Clamouring to trade all their picks for pick 1 to take him , this is not happening at all

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's interesting.

Draper was a starting mid for Souths, averaging 22.2 disposals, 4.7 clearances and 0.3 goals per game.

JHF averaged 16.5 disposals, 3.2 clearances and 0.8 goals per game in his draft year.

Draper earnt more midfield time, with JHF also playing flank. So you could argue that JHF projects as the better mid/ fwd and Draper the better mid.

If you only looked at the stats.

JHF played 20 games for a team finishing 5th on the ladder, while Draper got 9 games for a tream finishing second bottom.

My money's on JHF, but the stats suggest it's not as clear cut as that from a pure mid perspective. There's also JHF's professionalism issues. You never know . . .

Different class of player

JHF will be elite and Draper A grade if it comes together for him

JHF is a genuine match winner of the AFL alteady

JHF professionalism issues …. mmm not sure about that , didn’t do an Icebath when he was 18 who cares

The only 2 truly elite talents produced by SA in last 10-15 years JHF and Rankine

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's interesting.

Draper was a starting mid for Souths, averaging 22.2 disposals, 4.7 clearances and 0.3 goals per game.

JHF averaged 16.5 disposals, 3.2 clearances and 0.8 goals per game in his draft year.

Draper earnt more midfield time, with JHF also playing flank. So you could argue that JHF projects as the better mid/ fwd and Draper the better mid.

If you only looked at the stats.

JHF played 20 games for a team finishing 5th on the ladder, while Draper got 9 games for a tream finishing second bottom.

My money's on JHF, but the stats suggest it's not as clear cut as that from a pure mid perspective. There's also JHF's professionalism issues. You never know . . .

What about impact on games , not just possession stats

 

[GameofSloanes]

People now underrate Horne because he plays for Port.

Not many do really, everyone knows he's going to be a complete gun
North got about 50% of his value in that trade, ridiculous unders

 

[Peter Doherty]

People now underrate Horne because he plays for Port.

Disagree.

If anything he's overrated here.

Everyone goes out their way to say how good he is, because no one wants to be the Crows supporter hating on someone who goes on to win 5 x Brownlows. So they figure, may as well get on board.

 

[Crow till I die]

Different class of player

JHF will be elite and Draper A grade if it comes together for him

JHF is a genuine match winner of the AFL alteady

JHF professionalism issues …. mmm not sure about that , didn’t do an Icebath when he was 18 who cares

The only 2 truly elite talents produced by SA in last 10-15 years JHF and Rankine

And I hope by the end of their careers one has 3-4 premierships and the other is Jason Horne Francis

 

[Draft Bored]

Who you moving up 2 spots for and why ?

Also how do you know same player won’t be there at 4 ?

More than any other year this is year without a consensus top 10 or even 5

Don’t get why you’re so set on this unless you think there’s a player who can’t be missed , who is that player ?

I like the guarantee of getting FOS or Lalor. Unforuntately I think North take Lalor if he's not selected first so I feel it's a move up for FOS who I think would have been the clear number 1 player with a full injury uninterrupted year. Good personality too. Country kid.

I like Jagga and Sid too. I just have a feeling about FOS.

 

[Mutineer]

Yep

JHF was putting in match winning performances in sanfl finals including bags of goals

He also went pick 1 ahead of Darcy and Daicos

If Draper had a higher ceiling than JHF all clubs would be Clamouring to trade all their picks for pick 1 to take him , this is not happening at all

Settle down Jeff, no way JHF goes before Daicos if Nick was in the open draft.

 

[Betts are off]

Draper vs JHF is quite interesting TBH.

I'd take JHF every time, he's a jet in every sense and I was all for the godfather offer to go after him. However if you asked me in 10 years who has the better accolades, I wouldn't be that surprised if it's Draper.

He's the exact kind of Midfielder that catches the eye in Brownlow voters, Coaches voters, AFLPA voters, BnF counts... and if hes lucky enough to play in one or more, Norm Smith voters.

If he's a Crow next year, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he features heavily in our BnF year 1. As his energy and burst is such a counter to what we have in our midfield mix.

 

[Big Dub]

Different class of player

JHF will be elite and Draper A grade if it comes together for him

JHF is a genuine match winner of the AFL alteady

JHF professionalism issues …. mmm not sure about that , didn’t do an Icebath when he was 18 who cares

The only 2 truly elite talents produced by SA in last 10-15 years JHF and Rankine

JHF has been called out for selfish/ illdisciplined acts while at Port as well as at North. Not anything major, and I suspect that he grows out of it in time. Rachele has probably had worse, more often, and I'm still a big Rachele fan.

But also not as professional as Draper, apparently. So Draper could deliver more of his promise, even though it starts lower than JHF. They could both be champions.

As I said, my money's still on JHF. But I'd love to have Draper (or Lalor/ FOS/ Langford/ Smith).

 

[Mutineer]

Draper vs JHF is quite interesting TBH.

I'd take JHF every time, he's a jet in every sense and I was all for the godfather offer to go after him. However if you asked me in 10 years who has the better accolades, I wouldn't be that surprised if it's Draper.

He's the exact kind of Midfielder that catches the eye in Brownlow voters, Coaches voters, AFLPA voters, BnF counts... and if hes lucky enough to play in one or more, Norm Smith voters.

If he's a Crow next year, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he features heavily in our BnF year 1. As his energy and burst is such a counter to what we have in our midfield mix.

I thought you were talking about Sam Lalor until I realised you were talking about Sid Draper...

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Settle down Jeff, no way JHF goes before Daicos if Nick was in the open draft.

And that was the best pointy end of the draft in last 10 years

Comparing Draper and JHF is laughable

 

[1990crow]

Different class of player

JHF will be elite and Draper A grade if it comes together for him

JHF is a genuine match winner of the AFL alteady

JHF professionalism issues …. mmm not sure about that , didn’t do an Icebath when he was 18 who cares

The only 2 truly elite talents produced by SA in last 10-15 years JHF and Rankine

Lachie Neale? I know he was a low draft pick but still technically produced by SA.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Lachie Neale? I know he was a low draft pick but still technically produced by SA.

Has turned out elite for sure

More thinking of an elite prospect at 18 yo that has then proved it or started to prove it

 

[Jeffcrowe]

JHF has been called out for selfish/ illdisciplined acts while at Port as well as at North. Not anything major, and I suspect that he grows out of it in time. Rachele has probably had worse, more often, and I'm still a big Rachele fan.

But also not as professional as Draper, apparently. So Draper could deliver more of his promise, even though it starts lower than JHF. They could both be champions.

As I said, my money's still on JHF. But I'd love to have Draper (or Lalor/ FOS/ Langford/ Smith).

If the question is who will get the best out of themselves then it’s hard to go past Draper

But his ceiling is nowhere near as high as JHF and that’s the point I took exception to

 

[George Kramer]

Disagree.

If anything he's overrated here.

Everyone goes out their way to say how good he is, because no one wants to be the Crows supporter hating on someone who goes on to win 5 x Brownlows. So they figure, may as well get on board.

Or we recognise like the rest of the competition how good he already is and what he will become

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Settle down Jeff, no way JHF goes before Daicos if Nick was in the open draft.

Where do you rate Draper in this years draft order ?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

And I hope by the end of their careers one has 3-4 premierships and the other is Jason Horne Francis

You want Richmond to win 3-4 premierships with Draper ?

 

[1990crow]

Where do you rate Draper in this years draft order ?

Think he had him at 3