List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Would like to see Burgers go back there & Moraes & Berry both look like they could play wing with their strong running & pace. Looking forward to watching them in pre-season.

Recon Moraes
Was recruited 100% as a wing and Berry slightly more forward

 

[Coobk001]

Well no surprise there. Cal knows what we're doing.

Actually quite weird how much leaks out of our club. Some how Cochrane was telegraphed since at least yesterday. Berry was obvious a mile out. Hell we were also linked to Whitlock. Literally seems like every one we pick is quite heavily linked to us in the media.

 

[Addy23]

There’s going to be a long line to replace Rioli.

Not in terms of the type of player, on the list right now there's no one with the smarts and class of Rioli. The only one we have of that kind is the Cat B rookie

 

[Addy23]

I’ve seen some wildly naive things in my time, but the suggestion that sanfl clubs would play a junior up a level and “out of position” on ports request beats them by some margin. As if sanfl clubs would do that for port.


That’s not happening lol

The simple explanation is that teams played Barrett up the ground because they thought his best play was .. up the ground.

Sub 180 cm guys playing midfield in the sanfl to then play forward after being drafted is practically an afl trope.

He literally said it an interview that Port asked him to play midfield at SANFL mate, it's not a comment I make without any basis.

 

[Addy23]

Agree.

Is young Wakelin tracking to be a reasonable key defender? Maybe if he is, it might explain our willingness to trade away our first round pick next year and not target key defenders at all in this post-season.

What’s more, with the strange exception of Atkins, everyone new we’ve brought in plays forward-to-mid. Maybe Moraes starts as a HBF or eventually plays wing to allow Burgoyne to go back.

Not a first round prospect at this stage and I think I've previously mentioned that his dad said he's been training with Saints NGA a lot and so perhaps more likely to choose them.

 

[Boak10]

He literally said it an interview that Port asked him to play midfield at SANFL mate, it's not a comment I make without any basis.

Link to the interview?
I’d be interested to listen to that!

 

[Addy23]

Link to the interview?
I’d be interested to listen to that!

Will find it and let you know. He recently spoke in South Aussie Select which I've linked below but had another interview at the start of the year but can't remember the name. It was one I've never listened to before but came across it on Spotify. In the one below he talks about his rugby background, working a bit with Rioli and some other interesting things.

 

[Addy23]

Just linking some more pods from our recent draftees

Whitlock:



Berry





Moraes (before the draft though)

 

[Port2Power]

Link to the interview?
I’d be interested to listen to that!

Will find it and let you know. He recently spoke in South Aussie Select which I've linked below but had another interview at the start of the year but can't remember the name. It was one I've never listened to before but came across it on Spotify. In the one below he talks about his rugby background, working a bit with Rioli and some other interesting things.

This was his first interview before the South Aussie Select.

 

[240volt]

Not in terms of the type of player, on the list right now there's no one with the smarts and class of Rioli. The only one we have of that kind is the Cat B rookie

That’s my point, why are we keeping these useless smalls that should have been axed this year.
Instead of getting rid of them all we have done is add more.

What doesn’t make sense to me is why Richards was involved in the Dan deal when we could have picked him up for nothing.
Instead of two first round picks we got one and a 9 game small forward.
We payed top dollar so you’d think the club believes he’s our Rioli replacement, but wait now we need an extra one with our first pick because in reality the club fk’d up the Dan deal.
All this while promoting Jedstar to the main list and keeping other smalls that are shit.
They are so obsessed with small forwards the club has totally forgotten about any defender type players.
We get a couple of injuries down back and we have zero talent to cover it.
Nothing against the players we drafted but this club has no idea about building a balanced side.
A for drafting my arse, more like an F.

 

[PJ Power]

That’s my point, why are we keeping these useless smalls that should have been axed this year.
Instead of getting rid of them all we have done is add more.

What doesn’t make sense to me is why Richards was involved in the Dan deal when we could have picked him up for nothing.
Instead of two first round picks we got one and a 9 game small forward.
We payed top dollar so you’d think the club believes he’s our Rioli replacement, but wait now we need an extra one with our first pick because in reality the club fk’d up the Dan deal.
All this while promoting Jedstar to the main list and keeping other smalls that are shit.
They are so obsessed with small forwards the club has totally forgotten about any defender type players.
We get a couple of injuries down back and we have zero talent to cover it.
Nothing against the players we drafted but this club has no idea about building a balanced side.
A for drafting my arse, more like an F.

You seemed to be one of the more positive / optimistic posters on this board during the latter half of this year, especially when it came to others taking jabs at our finals failures. Yet, when it comes to trading/drafting you’re a bit the opposite.

I agree wholeheartedly that we’ve kept serious deadwood on our list and that our conduct of the Houston trade was poor. But criticising the selections of Barrett who costs us very little as a category B rookie and even Richards are not where I’d be levelling my frustration.

 

[TeeKray]

There's roughly 800 players on AFL lists and about 350 of them are actually good with the rest being either spuds or unproven young players with a better than even chance of becoming a spud. Just accept that the talent pool is shallow, no list is perfect, every list has 'holes' and every list has spuds.

 

[Addy23]

That’s my point, why are we keeping these useless smalls that should have been axed this year.
Instead of getting rid of them all we have done is add more.

What doesn’t make sense to me is why Richards was involved in the Dan deal when we could have picked him up for nothing.
Instead of two first round picks we got one and a 9 game small forward.
We payed top dollar so you’d think the club believes he’s our Rioli replacement, but wait now we need an extra one with our first pick because in reality the club fk’d up the Dan deal.
All this while promoting Jedstar to the main list and keeping other smalls that are shit.
They are so obsessed with small forwards the club has totally forgotten about any defender type players.
We get a couple of injuries down back and we have zero talent to cover it.
Nothing against the players we drafted but this club has no idea about building a balanced side.
A for drafting my arse, more like an F.

I think I made it very clear that I think drafting Berry was, in my opinion, the wrong call. I like Berry, he'll be a very good small forward. Just don't think he's what we need on the back of us getting Joe Richards. I agree regarding McEntee, I never wanted him even during his u18s and that hasn't changed.

I'm overall still on the fence regarding our draft haul. I'm not convinced as much as others here and in the media that we had one of the better drafts of all teams. Moraes has the highest ceiling, Berry will be a consistent forward in the mould of Bayley Fritsch, Jack Whitlock, I honestly hope I'm wrong about him but I have concerns.

Once the dust settles (hasn't yet for me), they'll all have 100% backing from me. But for the keen-eyed draft watchers it's fine to criticise the picks in a constructive way. Barrett, according to me, has more talent than McEntee, Anasta or Charleson. But you're entitled to your opinion.

From a List Management sense, if by Round 1 we somehow don't have another KPD on the list then this offseason in totality is a fail for me. Yeah we have a new look forward line but none of that matters until we get a new coach cause I don't see a reason why after 13 years anyone would expect Donuts to change his plan.

At the very least, I am keen to watch some players develop in SANFL. 2025 for me personally is just a focus on development, don't really care where we finish because we aren't in it to win it.

 

[Addy23]

There's roughly 800 players on AFL lists and about 350 of them are actually good with the rest being either spuds or unproven young players with a better than even chance of becoming a spud. Just accept that the talent pool is shallow, no list is perfect, every list has 'holes' and every list has spuds.

I think the issue on our list over the decade is that the "holes" are caused by us keeping players that aren't good enough yet take up a spot/position.

 

[JimmyBC]

We wont be winning a flag with Rioli as our sole dangerous small forward, the rest have sucked I'd rather load up with a few with genuine potential than the spuds we've rolled with recently.

 

[Blinky Nyland]

Would like to see Burgers go back there & Moraes & Berry both look like they could play wing with their strong running & pace. Looking forward to watching them in pre-season.

Given Burgoyne's brilliant game in the semi final he could be more of a HBF again. Nathan Bassett, on SEN, suggested that the wing is losing relevance in the modern game and that Burgoyne should be used at half back to fill the hole left by Houston's departure,

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I think our drafting went well. I'm bullish on benny barrett. I like Richards. I'm just not comfortable with bringing in atkins and cochrane for non talent reasons. We already have enough dead wood.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Actually quite weird how much leaks out of our club. Some how Cochrane was telegraphed since at least yesterday. Berry was obvious a mile out. Hell we were also linked to Whitlock. Literally seems like every one we pick is quite heavily linked to us in the media.

Twomey called the Cochrane interest in his first phantom draft. But he has info on all the clubs not just us. I have no doubt that is AFL engineered to increase their illusion of omnipotence.

I mean he nailed a top 10 that people were guessing going in all sorts of wild directions.

 

[Marmozet]

This could be another 2006 type draft for us.

 

[240volt]

You seemed to be one of the more positive / optimistic posters on this board during the latter half of this year, especially when it came to others taking jabs at our finals failures. Yet, when it comes to trading/drafting you’re a bit the opposite.

I agree wholeheartedly that we’ve kept serious deadwood on our list and that our conduct of the Houston trade was poor. But criticising the selections of Barrett who costs us very little as a category B rookie and even Richards are not where I’d be levelling my frustration.

It’s not him personally it’s just another of what we already have.
We haven’t got a half decent defender as back up let alone a decent KPD.
Since seasons end it’s all in on forwards small and some tall.
We should be looking at both ends of the ground because when Tassie come in it’s going to be slim pickings.
This was our best chance during the trade draft period and we got sweet fk all defenders in for a team that has none in reserve.
The balance is crap and it will definitely mean no flag for years no matter who’s coaching.

 

[rogerjames]

Given Burgoyne's brilliant game in the semi final he could be more of a HBF again. Nathan Bassett, on SEN, suggested that the wing is losing relevance in the modern game and that Burgoyne should be used at half back to fill the hole left by Houston's departure,

Agree with Bassett on Burgoyne given the chance to play Houstons role with a bit more tackling thrown in. Think its always been his best position even when he started. Playing in defence is also Bergmans best position. Not sure about the wings losing relevance. I think it's an area we have been weak in for years & have underutilised. It's a runners game so the wings should be important. I'm a big believer in using many avenues to goal to keep the opposition guessing.

 

[PJ Power]

It’s not him personally it’s just another of what we already have.
We haven’t got a half decent defender as back up let alone a decent KPD.
Since seasons end it’s all in on forwards small and some tall.
We should be looking at both ends of the ground because when Tassie come in it’s going to be slim pickings.
This was our best chance during the trade draft period and we got sweet fk all defenders in for a team that has none in reserve.
The balance is crap and it will definitely mean no flag for years no matter who’s coaching.

Agree with the lack of balance on our list and our strategy year on year. Last year was the same. We do tend to over commit to one type each year.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'm not as freaked out by the KPD balance. Ratugolea is now a back up defender, he basically takes McKenzie's spot. If not for the holes in the forward line by late last year Rat would have been in the sanfl.

You can't complain about recruiting guys for depth on one hand then want another reject tall defender on the list.

We have Walsh and Moss to develop in the sanfl, Walsh could probably already step up if needed. Moss was basically the end of K Marshall. At an injury pinch we could play T Marshall or Finlayson back. Burton can play on tall forwards.

Bergman's athleticism has made him the archetypal third tall and BZT stepped up last year to pair with Aliir.

And we still have a list spot, so let's see who gets a training invitation. Maybe we'll ask Clancy Dennis and Ethan Phillips over

 

[TeeKray]

Every second key defender in the AFL is a failed key forward. One of our limitations in that regard is most of our average to bad key forwards are also marshmallows who would make terrible defenders. If things don't work out for Ollie Lord forward I could see him being someone we could play down back.

 

[Macca19]

I think the issue on our list over the decade is that the "holes" are caused by us keeping players that aren't good enough yet take up a spot/position.

And thats the balance every club weighs up. Cutting too deep ruins depth and in most cases leads you to pick more kids in the back end of the draft who won’t be good enough.

We’ve also had a few shallow drafts in the last ten years