2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[BarkerFan]

That's why we drafted Hastie last year and why Hofmann will be hopefully a nice and cheap draftee. Also Serong

anyone know if we are still pursuing Serong? Or did he reject our advances?

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Toce apparently likes Langford ... so Tigers could go Jagga/FOS with 1 and Langford with 6 ... if they get it

We know Draper will likely be gone and FOS and Jagga and maybe now Langford

What Dees or North do is up in the air

North ... do they go best available or look at a KPP which they desperately need ... do they trade out further?

Dees ... some are saying will look at a KPP ... Armstrong?? .... but I am not convinced they will

 

[akaifu]

anyone know if we are still pursuing Serong? Or did he reject our advances?

I reckon its still bubbling away in the background. Weird no one has reported it, maybe because he's a bit of an irrelevant player

It has been reported that he's gettable and if I'm not mistaken, open to a move away. Can't remember by who though

 

[stfan]

Anybody think we probably are happy to give up 43 for Macrae and it’s all mind games because that’s exactly what we’re happy to give up.

Act like we don’t want to give up 43 finally negotiate that is the maximum we will give up and the dogs think they have a win while we only end up giving up for 43.

Jedi mind tricks at play.

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or two good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by years of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

 

[akaifu]

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or 2 good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by rears of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

And what are these "cheap older players" we can get who can actually make both a meaningful on-field and off-field impact? Can you name names?

 

[saint66au]

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or 2 good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by rears of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

So weve been rebuilding every year since 2012?

 

[ScrappyDo]

This is such a crucial draft for us. Need to nail the two top picks. Could set the midfield up for a decade.

Grab one of the big boys, Smilie, Lalor, Hynes then Lindsay and job done.
Then get Ollie Hannaford if at all possible.

 

[Klaatu]

Pick 7 for Lalor
Split picks 8 & 24 into two inbetweeners.
Get Hotton & Lindsay
or Hynes.
Rookie Cole, Hofman & Peckett & Sandy player.
Trade in, Macrae, Soldo & Tomlinson.

Forget the Sandy player, just because we made a statement on it , they must still able to compete at the next level & there wasn’t one this season.


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[triggering bro]

I haven’t paid a lot of attention to the draft up until recently. It’s looking bloody good and very even. But like always the player we pick is only half of the job. We must get development right.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or 2 good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by rears of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

I have no idea what it is, but drafting is a multi year strategy so this year falls in the context of 2025 & 2026. We may choose to take only 3 at the draft as well the regular place fillers through the FS/NGA.
We could have all of Gus, Irish, Cole, Hoffman and Peckett in development next year and us punters know SFA about them and what their genuine potential might be.

Just my opinion, but now is the time to burn some draft capital to get the exact players we want.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or 2 good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by rears of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

Completely agree. Anyone have the maths on how many others need to be traded or delisted for us to take, say, 4 picks (ex-FS/NGA)?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

So weve been rebuilding every year since 2012?

In a way - but every time we get two years in some dickwad gives up our picks for short term fixes or screws the picks that we did have and three years later we realise our peak is about 8th when everything goes absolutely perfectly. Rinse and repeat.

 

[gringo2011]

Not this anybody.

We are rebuilding. There is no point wasting too much trade capital on someone who might only have one or 2 good years left.


This is a good draft to use all of our first 4 picks in.

If we waste too much trade capital on the likes of Macrae and Soldo, you might get a warm fuzzy glow from sneaking into the 8 next year....but followed by rears of continued misery after that but remaining to have only a so so list.

We have had a youth first policy of late, and taking on cheap older players. We need to continue on this path.

Filly some gaps in our list with older players is ok as long as we do not expend decent trade capital on them. ie Macrae and Soldo f gained mainly need to join us because they are salary dumps.


In a season our two hopefully we have acquired enough good youth, to also then chase and secure some better players who will cost good picks.

We are rebuilding but that isn't open ended. Most clubs can rebuild around a core in 4 seasons if they get it right. We need to go now. If we wait until Sinclair, Steele, Marshall etc are all over 30 we will need to rebuild this rebuild.

We need some bridging players and we need some future kids coming through. I think we could easily be where Sydney are this year with a couple of very targeted additions. We should have a fair bit of internal improvement.

Nas is already a gun but he goes up a level you get an elite talent. Then from Owens, Wilson, Phillipou, Henry, King, Windhager, Garcia, Shoenmaker, Keeler, Hastie etc you get a few go up a level. Then Dow, Clark, Byrnes, Sharman, Caminiti, Byrnes and even someone like Snags start to meet potential and all of a sudden you are starting to push up hard.

Add an extractor and a ruck and it's getting towards a finals side IMO.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Reportedly playing hardball with the doggies. Don't want to give up pick 43? for Macrae.

Forget MacRae then. Go for Parker.
I know he’s supposedly going to Norf, but seriously who would want to go there?

 

[gringo2011]

In a way - but every time we get two years in some dickwad gives up our picks for short term fixes or screws the picks that we did have and three years later we realise our peak is about 8th when everything goes absolutely perfectly. Rinse and repeat.

Need to hold on to high picks and bring in the targets. About all I trust SOS in is not getting ripped off in trades. He's like Dildoro at the trade table. He's brutal.

 

[gringo2011]

Forget MacRae then. Go for Parker.
I know he’s supposedly going to Norf, but seriously who would want to go there?

He sucked when he went on ball in the GF. Great forward though. Macrae or Jarrod Lyons types are more ideal IMO. Otherwise Will Brodie and get him to win the ball and hand it off.

 

[stfan]

And what are these "cheap older players" we can get who can actually make both a meaningful on-field and off-field impact? Can you name names?

I don't have to. If the price is not right, then this trade we simply do not bring any older players in (Though most likely the club will find someone). Macrae could be one if he is salary dump for Dogs. If the Dogs want too how a trade price then he is not.

My point is more to not be fixated for immediate gain next year, but to rather give greater weight to build around our younger core.

If we could trade in a gun in his mid-twenties then go for it. I am sure the club thought long at hard about Houston at 27, but in the end him not being an out and out mid probably cooled their interest despite him being a quality player who could play many years.

 

[stfan]

So weve been rebuilding every year since 2012?

Yes, but we used to suck at it. The last few years give me hope that we are doing it much better.

 

[stfan]

Just my opinion, but now is the time to burn some draft capital to get the exact players we want.

Problem is the exact players we want who are ready to go do not want to come to us this trade period. Macrea is a good get, but he is also not quite what he was, and he is certainly not a burst mid (Though yes I do hope he is with us next season).

The exact players we want this year are most likely to be gained by the draft. Players who have the talent, and can play the midfield role we want, but who are going to requires games to become the players we want.


With no Crouch, Macrae may be a bridge IF we the price is not too high. If we miss him maybe a Brodie or a Kennedy, or a Parker.

 

[stfan]

We are rebuilding but that isn't open ended. Most clubs can rebuild around a core in 4 seasons if they get it right. We need to go now. If we wait until Sinclair, Steele, Marshall etc are all over 30 we will need to rebuild this rebuild.

We need some bridging players and we need some future kids coming through. I think we could easily be where Sydney are this year with a couple of very targeted additions. We should have a fair bit of internal improvement.

Nas is already a gun but he goes up a level you get an elite talent. Then from Owens, Wilson, Phillipou, Henry, King, Windhager, Garcia, Shoenmaker, Keeler, Hastie etc you get a few go up a level. Then Dow, Clark, Byrnes, Sharman, Caminiti, Byrnes and even someone like Snags start to meet potential and all of a sudden you are starting to push up hard.

Add an extractor and a ruck and it's getting towards a finals side IMO.

In essence I agree with you, but I think this year given the players available in the draft that meet our needs that we go youth heavy, and top this up with a "bridging" player or two if the price is right. This year is extremely rare opportunity for us in that we can land probably 3 really good to good kids. This added to our recent haul of good kids is shaping up as a really good core for us to go forward with.


Land some great kids this year, then next year we will hopefully be in the position to land a quality FA and/or trades.

 

[St Neil]

Forget MacRae then. Go for Parker.
I know he’s supposedly going to Norf, but seriously who would want to go there?

It sounds like the Macrae deal is virtually done.

Macrae has come out publicly and nominated Saints. And it’s been reported that Macrae’s management has told the Bulldogs that they will be taking a hard line in getting a trade done.

Saints won’t let Macrae down. A deal will be done.

But we don’t want both Macrae and Parker. It’s one or the other. Having both will stunt the opportunity and development and our younger lads.

The dye is cast.

 

[gringo2011]

In essence I agree with you, but I think this year given the players available in the draft that meet our needs that we go youth heavy, and top this up with a "bridging" player or two if the price is right.


Land some great kids this year, then next year we will hopefully be in the position to land a quality FA and/or trades.

I want both, load up with high picks, fill out with academy kids and Peckett while trading in some missing pieces. This is where list management earn their keep.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Problem is the exact players we want who are ready to go do not want to come to us this trade period.

The exact players we want this year are most likely to be gained by the draft. Players who have the talent, and can play the midfield role we want, but who are going to requires games to become the players we want.


With no Crouch, Macrae may be a bridge IF we the price is not too high. If we miss him maybe a Brodie or a Kennedy, or a Parker.

I was referring to drafting.
Next year's crop is said to be a lower standard, but most of all it's a massive shitshow of NGA's, followed by another massive shitshow as Tassie come in.
I say hit this draft now with all we've got. Not quantity but for quality.

 

[stfan]

I was referring to drafting.
Next year's crop is said to be a lower standard, but most of all it's a massive shitshow of NGA's, followed by another massive shitshow as Tassie come in.
I say hit this draft now with all we've got. Not quantity but for quality.

Yes 100% agree. I see it as a very rare opportunity for St Kilda.

 

[stfan]

I want both, load up with high picks, fill out with academy kids and Peckett while trading in some missing pieces. This is where list management earn their keep.

Which is why I hope that we can get Macrae at a good price for example. A Salary Dump price.