2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[TheJackal]

Because we strengthen both the back and forward lines whilst doing SFA about the midfield yet again.

Noone is saying ignore mids at all costs, it's just about best available from the top tier.

I find it a bit disrespectful to Windy, Wilson, Garcia, Phillipou, Henry, Dow, Macrae, Nas, Owens - it's not like we've openly ignored the midfield or at worst midfield rotations over the past two or three years.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I think everyone is forgetting the most important thing about Bo Allen. His dad played 98 games for Hawthorn. Which means that I get to have a little chuckle on draft night, no matter which club picks him up.

If you are meaning Ben Allan, they aren’t father-son. That’s Ed, now at Collingwood.

 

[stavro#4]

I think the Tigers are keen and they will grab him at #18 or #20. Sydney might even jump in at #19 if he is still there.

Swans took the ruck we wanted before Wilson last year.

 

[Pou Steele]

I'd be okay with that, especially with the lack of ruck depth in this draft. We don't pull the trigger on Dodson and we're likely going to find ourselves in Paul Hunter style territory again.

Worth a PHunt.

 

[Pou Steele]

Interested to know: of the first round potentials, who are the underagers? Is there kid like Pou who is in contention? Does that factor help sway decisions in development and upside in such an even top end of the draft?

 

[SteeleSaints]

Swans took the ruck we wanted before Wilson last year.

Yeah I think it was Will Green, but they still delisted Ladhams and MacAndrew. Green and Grundy are their only listed ruckman, but perhaps they look to fill other roles in the first round draft and grab another ruckman at a later point. Perhaps they look at the Whitlock twins to fill roles at both ends.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Interested to know: of the first round potentials, who are the under agent’s? Is there kid like Pou who is in contention? Does that factor help sway decisions in development and upside in such an even top end of the draft?

I think Bo Allan is that player simply with his competitiveness, athletic traits and the speed he plays the game. He has huge development potential, as he hasnt actually played that much as a midfielder, but showed at the championships and his WAFL games that he is competent playing in there. He doesnt have the adept touch and delivery of a Murphy Reid, but he does play a modern midfielders game based on speed and could develop the other parts of his game.

Of all the players in the draft perhaps Draper is the only other who plays as quick and if its speed of motion the club are looking for in the midfield then Allan is our player.

 

[akaifu]

Interested to know: of the first round potentials, who are the underagers? Is there kid like Pou who is in contention? Does that factor help sway decisions in development and upside in such an even top end of the draft?

Tauru is the main one as a November baby

December:
Ashcroft

November:
Tauru
Moraes

October:
Lombard
Travaglia

September:
Gross
Hannaford

Moraes would be a good pick at 32

 

[ScrappyDo]

I really like Allan and think he gives something Ross in particular would love that power and ferocity in the contest and the speed is something we lack even if he ends up at half back he will be an important player in any side. However the comment on Reid is just not right Murphy Reid has consistently and repeatedly performed at every level and improved as the year went on he was Metro MVP hasn’t struggled anywhere. He and Jagga are the two most consistent ball winners in the draft and to me Jagga looks like the one who will struggle to put on size more than Reid.

I do get lots of people are projecting he will struggle to play mid at AFL I think they are wrong he will need to adapt his game to add a defensive element but that is normal for the most talented kids used to just playing pure offence in Junior footy where they are the best player on the team and more so with Sandy Dragons kids who dominate the CTL.

His preseason testing shows his endurance is top end and that is born out by his high possession numbers in both CTL and with Metro. His agility is top end and his speed is right on the 3 second mark for 20m comparable to Jagga better than Smillie. He is not a big guy but neither are Butters Neale Brayshaw Daicos and countless others. To me he has that old school footballers build short legs long body low centre of gravity that with a bit of time in the gym will give him the base to hold his own in the middle. More importantly his game is not built on size and strength like some of the others he reads the play quicker sees the free man sooner and has the agility to step his way out of traffic. His speed is his clean hands then how quick he reacts and releases.

I get he doesn’t fit the template for the modern midfielder and he may not meet Ross and Dalrymples model of what they want in a midfielder and we may overlook him but I think he can be the architect of a top end midfield group.

So I am firmly in the Pro-Reid camp I also like Allan a lot and think they could be a great pairing at 7 and 8 the pure footballer and the competitive beast athlete lets have a bet both ways.

What I am less keen on is someone like Lindsay who doesn’t seem to add anything new to our list and who I think will play mostly Wing or HB he fits our game plan but only because we already have those players he is this years Darcy Wilson not quite as good a runner but a slightly better kick. Will be a good player just not a Point of difference for us.

Great post and very fair.
At the end of day were discussing players that will likely go within 5-10 places of each other and it really just comes down to the individual's subjective view of how each one will translate to the big league.

I agree with your assessment of Lindsay BTW, but would say that another Darcy Wilson would be a very good thing if backed by the selection of a contested type like Smillie or Allan.
Reid is all silk. He's neither slow nor fast, big nor small. But what's lacking is power, and there be the difference from the similar players you've nominated.

My view is that if you take away the time and space afforded in juniors then it pushes him to be more outside, and with that I'd rather Lindsay because of his speed and kicking abilities. If he can develop some power like the others then he might be fine, but looking at his body type l don't believe that will happen to the necessary degree. At the Dragons, Ashcroft is the prime bulldozer and (without criticism) Reid has found a niche in that team as a close in seagull. In a team like Melbourne l can see a spot for him, but with us l just can't.

Modern midfielders need any combination of size, strength, skill and speed. Evasion is useful but the lesser of the tool kit. Jagga manages because he's exceptional in this department and freakish in getting to the exact drop of the ball so much as to make a Jedi envious. It's that ability that gives him a half a second jump on the others. Reid in a similar situation tends to pop a loopy little handball to the nearest teammate. Sometimes it results is clean possession, but often that guy gets hammered. Some see it as an ability to execute a disposal under pressure, l see it as something every coach and teammate will hate, hence he becomes an outside player and we're back to Lindsay again.

The guy just has no weapons. Not big, quick, tough and average to poor defensively. So what's his fall back if his hot-dogging style gets monstered by the animals he's gonna come up against.

 

[Joffaboy]

I just watched the round 24 carlton highlights, we threw that one away.

5 & 6 would have doubled the posting on this thread.

However 5 and 19 ( end of first round compo) would have halved the traffic

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[ScrappyDo]

Noone is saying ignore mids at all costs, it's just about best available from the top tier.

I find it a bit disrespectful to Windy, Wilson, Garcia, Phillipou, Henry, Dow, Macrae, Nas, Owens - it's not like we've openly ignored the midfield or at worst midfield rotations over the past two or three years.

Disrespectful? P-a-le-ase don't start that stuff.

We have 2 top 10 picks. If we don't use one on a best available mid it's insanity. The rest l simply don't care about.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Great post and very fair.
At the end of day were discussing players that will likely go within 5-10 places of each other and it really just comes down to the individual's subjective view of how each one will translate to the big league.

I agree with your assessment of Lindsay BTW, but would say that another Darcy Wilson would be a very good thing if backed by the selection of a contested type like Smillie or Allan.
Reid is all silk. He's neither slow nor fast, big nor small. But what's lacking is power, and there be the difference from the similar players you've nominated.

My view is that if you take away the time and space afforded in juniors then it pushes him to be more outside, and with that I'd rather Lindsay because of his speed and kicking abilities. If he can develop some power like the others then he might be fine, but looking at his body type l don't believe that will happen to the necessary degree. At the Dragons, Ashcroft is the prime bulldozer and (without criticism) Reid has found a niche in that team as a close in seagull. In a team like Melbourne l can see a spot for him, but with us l just can't.

Modern midfielders need any combination of size, strength, skill and speed. Evasion is useful but the lesser of the tool kit. Jagga manages because he's exceptional in this department and freakish in getting to the exact drop of the ball so much as to make a Jedi envious. It's that ability that gives him a half a second jump on the others. Reid in a similar situation tends to pop a loopy little handball to the nearest teammate. Sometimes it results is clean possession, but often that guy gets hammered. Some see it as an ability to execute a disposal under pressure, l see it as something every coach and teammate will hate, hence he becomes an outside player and we're back to Lindsay again.

The guy just has no weapons. Not big, quick, tough and average to poor defensively. So what's his fall back if his hot-dogging style gets monstered by the animals he's gonna come up against.

All fair and good point on reducing the time available for decision making.

Although I just don’t see Lindsay as quick. Not slow. But that might mean he has to stop and prop a bit more … a little more like Billings than a Gulden. He certainly is able to move through the ground, I just don’t see him burning anyone off.

 

[True Believer]

I think Bo Allan is that player simply with his competitiveness, athletic traits and the speed he plays the game. He has huge development potential, as he hasnt actually played that much as a midfielder, but showed at the championships and his WAFL games that he is competent playing in there. He doesnt have the adept touch and delivery of a Murphy Reid, but he does play a modern midfielders game based on speed and could develop the other parts of his game.

Of all the players in the draft perhaps Draper is the only other who plays as quick and if its speed of motion the club are looking for in the midfield then Allan is our player.

I tend to agree and and I wouldn't be surprised if we did a deal with Richmond on draft night to slide back to pick 10 or 11 to pick up Bo Allen and enable Richmond to get ahead of Melbourne's second pick, and we pick up say pick 20ish in the process!

If Richmond have any brains they deal with North to move 6 & 18 up to P2 and F1, and then trade 10 & 20 to us for P8 and P32.

We end up with 7, 10, 20, 47

Richmond end up with 1, 2, 8, 11, 23, 24, 32

 

[Joffaboy]

I would love somehow to get Jack Whitlock, there is something about him that will make whoever takes him very pleased.

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[Tommy Wigs]

Interested to know: of the first round potentials, who are the underagers? Is there kid like Pou who is in contention? Does that factor help sway decisions in development and upside in such an even top end of the draft?

Are you meaning bday wise given Pou was almost the next year?

From memory, Tauru and Travaglia are two that are quite late in the year, though not so late as Pou.

I recall Barratt as well because I think he’s been on the improve.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I would love somehow to get Jack Whitlock, there is something about him that will make whoever takes him very pleased.

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They give me King vibes, where real man on man capability is a problem (and more so in their cases than Ming)

 

[Joffaboy]

I tend to agree and and I wouldn't be surprised if we did a deal with Richmond on draft night to slide back to pick 10 or 11 to pick up Bo Allen and enable Richmond to get ahead of Melbourne's second pick, and we pick up say pick 20ish in the process!

If Richmond have any brains they deal with North to move 6 & 18 up to P2 and F1, and then trade 10 & 20 to us for P8 and P32.

We end up with 7, 11, 20, 47

Richmond end up with 1, 2, 8, 11, 23, 24, 32

Showed last year that a club will pay slight overs to get the player they want.
GWS 18 plus F2 for 17.
I reckon if Richmond want p8 on draft night they will cough up 10 and 20 without our 32.

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[Joffaboy]

They give me King vibes, where real man on man capability is a problem (and more so in their cases than Ming)

Jack is bigger and more robust than his twin and is a forward, junior is a back.

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[ScrappyDo]

All fair and good point on reducing the time available for decision making.

Although I just don’t see Lindsay as quick. Not slow. But that might mean he has to stop and prop a bit more … a little more like Billings than a Gulden. He certainly is able to move through the ground, I just don’t see him burning anyone off.

Lindsay is very quick off 5 steps but not a higher top speed than normal. But it's enough to get seperation which is the key. He an excellent kick and can hit a 45m pass or 65m bomb which is very rare in a 183cm player. He can also play inside, outside, wing or HB. There's some small deficiencies but he's got some weapons that translate to AFL. FWIW l don't think either land with us at the end of the day.

 

[True Believer]

Showed last year that a club will pay slight overs to get the player they want.
GWS 18 plus F2 for 17.
I reckon if Richmond want p8 on draft night they will cough up 10 and 20 without our 32.

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I included 32 because I believe Richmond has a certain amount of list spots to fill (I could be wrong there).

If they don't need it we keep 32........but probably end up with P24 not P20

 

[ScrappyDo]

I tend to agree and and I wouldn't be surprised if we did a deal with Richmond on draft night to slide back to pick 10 or 11 to pick up Bo Allen and enable Richmond to get ahead of Melbourne's second pick, and we pick up say pick 20ish in the process!

If Richmond have any brains they deal with North to move 6 & 18 up to P2 and F1, and then trade 10 & 20 to us for P8 and P32.

We end up with 7, 11, 20, 47

Richmond end up with 1, 2, 8, 11, 23, 24, 32

Exactly this. Great minds.

 

[blaisee]

I tend to agree and and I wouldn't be surprised if we did a deal with Richmond on draft night to slide back to pick 10 or 11 to pick up Bo Allen and enable Richmond to get ahead of Melbourne's second pick, and we pick up say pick 20ish in the process!

If Richmond have any brains they deal with North to move 6 & 18 up to P2 and F1, and then trade 10 & 20 to us for P8 and P32.

We end up with 7, 10, 20, 47

Richmond end up with 1, 2, 8, 11, 23, 24, 32

wow

 

[stavro#4]

wow

You do realise you aren’t the gate keeper of Richmond’s draft picks nor do you know anymore then anyone else

 

[RBW_007]

Just watch Sebastian Maguire do the same to us when he's older - Goose played 99 games for us and the footy lineage is just ridiculous.

Easily solved.

Pick up Goose with a late pick. Name him Rd 1 for his 100th as sub which we won't need to use. He'll be put on the long term injury list under old man's knee and we can then replace him in the midseason draft

 

[stavro#4]

If north fold on this Richmond offer for 11 and 15. Then they are cucks