2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I didn’t want Nas because of his poor stats and inability to win much contested footy but RTB has used his attributes and strengths to suit his playing style resulting in improving our team.

I reckon Allan excels in the ‘splitter’ role. RTB wants speed on the ball.

That thing about his contested footy was not a real thing.
He won a bit of the contested ball from his very first game, certainly no worse than someone like Liam Stocker.

 

[akaifu]

Nas was drafted prior to RTB but he was demonstrating the same characteristics that he does today as under player.

He was a wingman/flanker that we have played in that role.

The discussions being that Allan is a back man first and a mid second are concerning to me as we haven’t really seen any high production from him as a mid in his top age season.

And this is why he isn't in the conversation as a top 6 mid

It will take a club that believes in their development to take him and help him reach his potential. There is not that added bonus of 'proven product' that you get with the other guys above him

If we see the potential in him then I back it given the work of Damian Carroll in recent years with high upside guys like Nas and Pou and hopefully Wilson/Garcia/Hastie

He's got almost a unicorn athletic base - we just need to develop the craft. Given he has limited exposure to the midfield, I have faith we can teach him the necessary midfield craft. The kicking...well idk. Byrnes' problems seem somewhat alleviated while 30 yr old Zak Jones was able to turn it around this year as well.

 

[triggering bro]

That thing about his contested footy was not a real thing.
He won a bit of the contested ball from his very first game, certainly no worse than someone like Liam Stocker.

Yea I know. I’m talking about the perception around him which I shared before he was drafted to us. He’s shown he can win the footy when it’s his time at AFL level.

 

[akaifu]

Nas wasn’t a high volume type though. He was a 15 touch half backer. He’s very much high volume at AFL level. He’s improved immensely and adapted to RTB’s game style.

I don’t believe Allan is a back first and mid second. He only played back in the seniors. When some of the Vic players played VFL such as FOS and Smillie did they play midfield? Genuinely asking because I don’t know.

FOS played forward. Smillie did not play VFL

Langford played fwd/mid. Jagga played mid. Travaglia played half back

 

[triggering bro]

FOS played forward. Smillie did not play VFL

Langford played fwd/mid. Jagga played mid. Travaglia played half back

Well there you go. Pretty much supports my argument. Jagga the oldest in the draft, almost qualified for the draft the year before and had no school commitments this year. He’s a bit different. But still a weapon to go straight to the midfield at VFL level.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Let’s get to the draft already and draft someone.

Another 2 weeks ffs

I just realised it doesn’t start on the Tuesday but the Wednesday. Ffs, days are going backwards.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Nas was a wing HFF and he wasn’t exactly a prolific ball winner.

But his attributes were on show. Fantastic by foot elusive and creative.

It’s not a hugely different scenario.

We turned Nas into a top 10 HBF in the league

Nas wasn’t a high volume type though. He was a 15 touch half backer. He’s very much high volume at AFL level. He’s improved immensely and adapted to RTB’s game style.

I don’t believe Allan is a back first and mid second. He only played back in the seniors. When some of the Vic players played VFL such as FOS and Smillie did they play midfield? Genuinely asking because I don’t know.

there truthfully aren’t many high production flankers/wingers at underage level which age level.

I can’t recall anyone being a low production mid at underage level who then translated to a gun mid at AFL level.


FOS played high half fwd at VFL level as he hurt himself in the first quarter, smilie didn’t play VFL and smith racked it up as a mid

 

[MightySaint]

And this is why he isn't in the conversation as a top 6 mid

It will take a club that believes in their development to take him and help him reach his potential. There is not that added bonus of 'proven product' that you get with the other guys above him

If we see the potential in him then I back it given the work of Damian Carroll in recent years with high upside guys like Nas and Pou and hopefully Wilson/Garcia/Hastie

He's got almost a unicorn athletic base - we just need to develop the craft. Given he has limited exposure to the midfield, I have faith we can teach him the necessary midfield craft. The kicking...well idk. Byrnes' problems seem somewhat alleviated while 30 yr old Zak Jones was able to turn it around this year as well.

Allan with just average skills is pick 1 in this draft. But his kicking is far worse than byrnes and jones per your example.
I'm also interested to understand how he'd go in the backline at afl level where it's pretty important to have great skills unless you are a lock down back. I assume a lot would be predicated on breaking lines and handing the ball off.
He's either a superstar or half this forum will absolutely despise Dalrymple. Btw, if anyone mentioned Allan at pick 7/8 a month ago, people would have lost their minds.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Another hypothetical- I feel like a few will like this one.

Retain 7

Trade 8+F1+32 for 15+16+21

Draft 1 of: Smillie Allan Tauru

Draft 3 of: Lindsay Trainor Reid Whitlock x 2 Shanahan Dodson Travaglia Faull Hannaford etc

We’re giving away too much for mine in that one. A smaller slide for another chip is my preferred, but I suspect the F1 aspect won’t take GWS’ fancy if we’re not giving them 8.

 

[_Maximus_12]

And this is why he isn't in the conversation as a top 6 mid

It will take a club that believes in their development to take him and help him reach his potential. There is not that added bonus of 'proven product' that you get with the other guys above him

If we see the potential in him then I back it given the work of Damian Carroll in recent years with high upside guys like Nas and Pou and hopefully Wilson/Garcia/Hastie

He's got almost a unicorn athletic base - we just need to develop the craft. Given he has limited exposure to the midfield, I have faith we can teach him the necessary midfield craft. The kicking...well idk. Byrnes' problems seem somewhat alleviated while 30 yr old Zak Jones was able to turn it around this year as well.

He kind of is in that discussion if Melbourne are one of the interested clubs.

I’d hate to over look a Murphy Reid type, who is a proven gun mid to go for a speculative upside type in Bo Allan despite all of his athleticism.

I see the fascination with the athletic profile but he’d have the highest bust factor of anyone in the top 15 and he just isn’t a natural midfielder which we are absolutely crying out for.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Allan with just average skills is pick 1 in this draft. But his kicking is far worse than byrnes and jones per your example.
I'm also interested to understand how he'd go in the backline at afl level where it's pretty important to have great skills unless you are a lock down back. I assume a lot would be predicated on breaking lines and handing the ball off.
He's either a superstar or half this forum will absolutely despise Dalrymple. Btw, if anyone mentioned Allan at pick 7/8 a month ago, people would have lost their minds.

He’s been up at 10-11 all year on most boards. That would be more to do with people not following the interstaters

 

[St Neil]

Okay dream hypothetical now.

7+F1 for 2+ F2

8 + F2 for 10+20

2: Lalor/Fos
10: Allan
20: Trainor
32: Sims
Cole
Hofmann
Peckett

If FOS was pick 1 would we pick Lalor at 2?


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[Mr Platinum]

no chance we give away a top 10 pick AND a future first for 15, 16 and 21. It just won’t happen.

 

[SaintSteele9]

Sorry, how did the Gold Coast go this year?

Touk Miller, Noah Anderson, Matthew Rowell, Sam Flanders, Ben King, Sam Collins, Mac Andrew, Jarrod Witts, Jack Lukosius

Didn't make the 8, despite having your daddy Dimma as head coach

Ross Lyon easily could've had 2 premierships if things went his way - the Milne bounce, Hawkins post, Scarlett toe poke

Nearly burst Hawthorn’s threepeat in the first leg with a bang average Fremantle side too.

Give us your best offers West Coast and Fremantle. I’m not big on Allen.

Agreed at this stage MG. Reading a lot of “ifs” and “coulds” re: Allen. That feels dicey at pick 7 or 8 unless we slice one up and nab him another way

 

[akaifu]

Allan with just average skills is pick 1 in this draft. But his kicking is far worse than byrnes and jones per your example.
I'm also interested to understand how he'd go in the backline at afl level where it's pretty important to have great skills unless you are a lock down back. I assume a lot would be predicated on breaking lines and handing the ball off.
He's either a superstar or half this forum will absolutely despise Dalrymple. Btw, if anyone mentioned Allan at pick 7/8 a month ago, people would have lost their minds.

Allan's kicking is bad, but being far worse than Byrnes and Jones is a stretch and I've watched a lot of footage of it

I remember Jones before mid-year could hardly hit the side of a barn - his kicking technique is unique and execution terrible

Fixed his decision-making and became much-improved

Allan can pretty much do the same. Additionally, his kicks are penetrating which can kind of mask the lack of quality at times

I'm hoping we end up with someone better but if we take Allan, I wouldn't be terribly upset

 

[akaifu]

He kind of is in that discussion if Melbourne are one of the interested clubs.

I’d hate to over look a Murphy Reid type, who is a proven gun mid to go for a speculative upside type in Bo Allan despite all of his athleticism.

I see the fascination with the athletic profile but he’d have the highest bust factor of anyone in the top 15 and he just isn’t a natural midfielder which we are absolutely crying out for.

I think he's more relevant to Melbourne at 9 if they get spooked with Armstrong at 5 and take him over a mid. A bit of a last resort

I'm not the guy to talk to about Murphy Reid, I dislike his fit to our team a lot

The only proven thing about him is that he is eye candy to all those obsessed with the present and not projections into the future

 

[stavro#4]

If FOS was pick 1 would we pick Lalor at 2?


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I believe he is the person we want in the event we have pick 2.

Twomey was saying the other week that he still believed FOS would go pick 1 but that it was close.

 

[King_Steele]

Warming to Allen.

Kicking is a worry though hope he isn’t another Dunstan

 

[St Kilda Death]

Warming to Allen.

Kicking is a worry though hope he isn’t another Dunstan

IMO dunstan would have gone better under RTB

 

[stavro#4]

And this is why he isn't in the conversation as a top 6 mid

It will take a club that believes in their development to take him and help him reach his potential. There is not that added bonus of 'proven product' that you get with the other guys above him

If we see the potential in him then I back it given the work of Damian Carroll in recent years with high upside guys like Nas and Pou and hopefully Wilson/Garcia/Hastie

He's got almost a unicorn athletic base - we just need to develop the craft. Given he has limited exposure to the midfield, I have faith we can teach him the necessary midfield craft. The kicking...well idk. Byrnes' problems seem somewhat alleviated while 30 yr old Zak Jones was able to turn it around this year as well.

Are we splitting hairs here?

His attributes stack against the attributes of the big 6

and

Picks 7/8 9 and 10 are all keen on him.

And hey it just dawned on me.

Bo Allan & Alix Tauru…. Come on down!!

 

[WhiskySaint]

I see Allan playing a defensive mid role, similar to Rowbottom for Sydney. Just get in and stop the opposition mids from having space allowing our other mids to be more attacking.

 

[OxSaint]

He kind of is in that discussion if Melbourne are one of the interested clubs.

I’d hate to over look a Murphy Reid type, who is a proven gun mid to go for a speculative upside type in Bo Allan despite all of his athleticism.

I see the fascination with the athletic profile but he’d have the highest bust factor of anyone in the top 15 and he just isn’t a natural midfielder which we are absolutely crying out for.

I actually think Smillie has the biggest bust factor in the top 15. Tall mids like this fail more than they succeed and he doesn’t look like he will make it in another role if he isn’t competitive enough or good enough at ground level to be a mid he won’t make it.

Murphy Reid is no sure thing mid at afl level either. Just as likely a half forward/wing.

Bo’s kicking isn’t as bad as some are making out on this thread today. If they have only seen his highlights from the midfield than he looks worse than he is. Looks rushed which isn’t a surprise considering he is learning a new craft in the midfield.

Highlights below are of him in the WAFL playing off halfback.




It’s very unlikely we are picking a “sure thing” mid at our selections so I don’t get why we keep banging on about every prospects weaknesses in our range because they aren’t a proven top end mid. Both prospects we pick will have questions marks, particularly those we hope are mids.

 

[L_W_P]

Board is gonna be amazing to follow when we hold 7+8, draft Reid & Allan, then flip our F1st for pick 16 and reach for Ollie Hannaford...

Two weeks of chaos...

At least the US Election can keep us entertained for a week while we wait!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yea I know. I’m talking about the perception around him which I shared before he was drafted to us. He’s shown he can win the footy when it’s his time at AFL level.

Got to say i was worried about taking a skinny flanker. Then that very first game it was OMG now i know why.

 

[akaifu]

Are we splitting hairs here?

His attributes stack against the attributes of the big 6

and

Picks 7/8 9 and 10 are all keen on him.

And hey it just dawned on me.

Bo Allan & Alix Tauru…. Come on down!!

Not splitting hairs when his kicking - one of the most important skills/attributes in the sport - is well below par of the other guys especially since its not something you can just fix over one pre-season