List Mgmt. 2024 List management Discussion

[Mat Mann]

This is solely for list management discussion, Trades discussion goes in the trade thread, and Draft prospect discussion goes in it's relevant thread.

Spoiler: Draft Order

Spoiler: Contract Status

Name Final Year Years Service* Status Angus Hastie 2025 2 Unknown Angus McLennan 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Anthony Caminiti 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Arie Schoenmaker 2025 2 Unknown Ben Paton 2024 7 Non-Free Agent Brad Crouch 2025 5 Non-Free Agent Bradley Hill 2027 8 Restricted Free Agent Callum Wilkie 2027 9 Restricted Free Agent Cooper Sharman 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Daniel Butler 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Darcy Wilson 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Dougal Howard 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Hugo Garcia 2025 2 Unknown Hunter Clark 2025 8 Restricted Free Agent Isaac Keeler 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Jack Hayes 2024 3 Non-Free Agent Jack Higgins 2027 7 Non-Free Agent Jack Sinclair 2027 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Jack Steele 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent James Van Es 2024 2 DELISTED Jimmy Webster 2024 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Josh Battle 2024 8 UFA - leaving for Hawthorn Lance Collard 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Liam Henry 2027 4 Non-Free Agent Liam O'Connell 2025 2 Unknown Liam Stocker 2024 2 Unrestricted Free Agent Marcus Windhager 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Mason Wood 2024 4 UFA + 3 years (2027) Mattaes Phillipou 2026 4 Non-Free Agent Matthew Allison 2024 4 DELISTED Max Hall 2025 2 Non-Free Agent Max Heath 2024 4 Non-Free Agent Max King 2026 8 Restricted Free Agent Mitchito Owens 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2025 4 Non-Free Agent Olli Hotton 2024 2 Non-Free Agent Paddy Dow 2026 3 Non-Free Agent Riley Bonner 2024 1 DELISTED Rowan Marshall 2027 11 Unrestricted Free Agent Ryan Byrnes 2024 5 Non-Free Agent Sebastian Ross 2024 13 DELISTED Tim Membrey 2024 10 Unrestricted Free Agent Tom Campbell 2024 3 DELISTED Zaine Cordy 2025 3 Non-Free Agent Zak Jones 2024 5 Non-Free Agent * Years service at end of contract.

Spoiler: Trade/Draft periods

Free Agency - Friday, October 4 and will run until Friday, October 11.
Trade Period - Monday, October 7 and will run until Wednesday, October 16.
National Draft - Round One - Wednesday, November 20 followed by the remaining rounds of the
National Draft - The rest - Thursday, November 21.
Rookie and Pre-Season Draft - Friday, November 22.

 

[seasonedsainter]

TC seems to have irons in the fire working back of house with the AFL, I've no doubt he'd be picked up by a Club for a development role also. No surprise on Alison, relief to see Bonner go, Van Ess you'd think injury. Thanks to all for service, especially TC. Arie, Hastie etc tacit nod of development approval.

However losing our backup young key back albeit untried, and if Battle goes clearly we'll need to address. Maybe hit the draft 2nd or 3rd round again for the replacement. Maybe Hammer goes back when King is fit. Would need to retain Membrey in this case you'd think.

Barass requested trade to Hawthorn, do they really want both he and JB?

Interesting times. I'm very used to / keen on the idea of 2 x top 10 picks so we'll see what happens...

Bet they'll draft another small forward too somewhere this year.

 

[StFly]

Just for those unaware, there are essentially three moments for delistings to happen;

This period; end of season exit instances to trade period, as standard contracts are finalised October 31st for OOC players and trades come with new contract agreements. Hence AFL signing off on things to ensure above board and CBA isn't voided/fiddled with.

ND is another period, as you add to and thus you finalise the draft period by second lodgement of "this is our list" to AFL house.

The third is often forgotten, but there is a supplemental period after "break time", this is where you get your train with players and those seeking to impress types. This is third lodgement and "this new season will contain this list of players".

All this happens prior to the new season being engaged at all really, no praccies, no real impetus by anyone outside of those chasing sponsorships and just the meet and greets of new people, meshing periods prior to actual training taking place.

This is more for the "will we delist more?" crowd. The answer will invariably be yes, as multiple chances to do so, and these decisions are never a one and done or as black and white as they might otherwise appear.

If you're a player, OOC, and you survived the exit interview, you're still sweating, you just wiped your brow so you can see what's in front of you instead of just only sweating.

 

[Yabadoo22]

Probably waiting to see if we can get some late picks for any of the below before we delist/retire

Paton
Hayes
Membrey
Ross

Who knows if we pay out crouch. Strange that the club has completely ignored letting the fans know about his situation, doesn't sound good though.

Howard is an interesting one, is it the club holding of seeing what battle does, or is it dougal looking elsewhere?

Hoping they only give jones a 1 year deal, fair chance they go 2 though.

Hotton, keeler, heath and mcleanan should get 1 year deals imo.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Probably waiting to see if we can get some late picks for any of the below before we delist/retire

Paton
Hayes
Membrey
Ross

Who knows if we pay out crouch. Strange that the club has completely ignored letting the fans know about his situation, doesn't sound good though.

Howard is an interesting one, is it the club holding of seeing what battle does, or is it dougal looking elsewhere?

Hoping they only give jones a 1 year deal, fair chance they go 2 though.

Hotton, keeler, heath and mcleanan should get 1 year deals imo.

I reckon Ross deserves more respect than first off. All of them probably subject to developments over the next weeks.

 

[akaifu]

Bonner done indicates that Jones gets rewarded on that wing depth spot. Couldn't hold both with Hastie McLennan and Arie coming through as half back cover and several draftees to come in November

 

[_Maximus_12]

Can I ask a serious question, and forgive if I’ve missed the rationale somewhere but why do we have seperate threads for list management, trades and for the draft?

There’s so much overlap between the 3 and all ultimately correlate to list management.

I’m sure there’s rationale for it but having been around for almost 20 years it’s quite a change from previous off-seasons

 

[UnfinishedBusiness]

Can I ask a serious question, and forgive if I’ve missed the rationale somewhere but why do we have seperate threads for list management, trades and for the draft?

There’s so much overlap between the 3 and all ultimately correlate to list management.

I’m sure there’s rationale for it but having been around for almost 20 years it’s quite a change from previous off-seasons

Eh, I actually prefer to so things are less likely to get lost


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[CursingFijian]

A pick 31 already delisted is such poor drafting from us

A miss by Toce? He was due I suppose.

 

[CursingFijian]

I know it’s an old (6 months) SEN interview with Simon Dalrymple but gives an insight into his philosophy with drafting- no longer best player but someone who fits the coach’s game style.

So running power, tackling prowess, ground ball smarts and elite kicking?

 

[Diehard Saint]

A miss by Toce? He was due I suppose.

Sound like ankle injuries were too bad, which can’t really be predicted.

 

[StFly]

Can I ask a serious question, and forgive if I’ve missed the rationale somewhere but why do we have seperate threads for list management, trades and for the draft?

There’s so much overlap between the 3 and all ultimately correlate to list management.

I’m sure there’s rationale for it but having been around for almost 20 years it’s quite a change from previous off-seasons

You don't actually want the actual answers, believe me.

Consider the split a safe space for discussion as it's moderation and we don't just give points, card people and delete posts, part of that is also moderating the discourse.

Change can be good.

 

[stfan]

Bonner surprisingly stiff, copped it from the fans but did more good than bad.

I guess he would only keep Ari & Hastie out of the side so don't mind it.

InB4 we take a small back flanker with our first, but he might roll through the mids.

This season they may have been thinking that Sinclair could move to the midfield given our shortage of good mids. But full time mid is not Sinclair's gig.

This year even allowing for Sinclair's injury effected start showed that he is best for us at HB. Though yes with stints through the middle.


Nas and Sincs gives us just such an attacking HB line.


With Bonner, it became obvious that that flaws in his game at PA had not gone away, and are not going too.


With youngsters like Hastie waiting in the wings, he was not worth keeping as a depth player.


Plus Jones last season form would have placed him in front of Bonner. Though he is not certain to stay.

 

[wayb2912]

Was Bonner no good in the second half of the season? Seemed to be in your best players alot of the first half of the season?

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[mad-saint-guy]

Was Bonner no good in the second half of the season? Seemed to be in your best players alot of the first half of the season?

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Was no good at any point. Turnover merchant who doesn't defend and has no contested game

 

[Sol Goodman]

I'd be signing Howard, Membrey and Jones to extend their contracts asap.
Early this year I thought Jones and Skunk were cooked but they came good and showed they have more to offer.

 

[Sol Goodman]

Could we have a pinned list of OOC players in this that gets updated list changes / contracts?
I like having the separate thread for this. it's easier to follow.

 

[beside the seaside]

A miss by Toce? He was due I suppose.

To be honest that whole draft is looking like a miss.

 

[saintbill]

I'd be signing Howard, Membrey and Jones to extend their contracts asap.
Early this year I thought Jones and Skunk were cooked but they came good and showed they have more to offer.

Would be a big mistake to let Membrey go.

Hammer is raw, King is unreliable, Sharman still emerging.

For the most part, Membrey is a consistent performer. We need to retain some experience.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Allison -> Kuek
Bonner -> draft
TC -> Soldo/McAndrew
JVE -> Cole

McAndrew , how the hell do you think we get him ?

 

[HeavenlySources]

So running power, tackling prowess, ground ball smarts and elite kicking?

Jacob Konstanty will be a saint

 

[CursingFijian]

McAndrew , how the hell do you think we get him ?

Lachlan McAndrew not Mac Andrew.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Membrey zero trade value. Is an unrestricted free agent so there will be no pick for the Saints. He deserves to explore his options.

 

[CursingFijian]

Jacob Konstanty will be a saint

He fits a need that’s for sure, and Dalrymple would have some good insight into his potential. Sydney player bio likens him to Tom Papley.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Lachlan McAndrew not Mac Andrew.

Ah , thanks for that

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Jacob Konstanty will be a saint

I think we could do with a new thread for trade rumours.
Probably a no discussion thread would be good.