List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[GreyCrow]

And developing the kids. Our actual future.

I like how you said this with a straight face

 

[Mostyn]

Let’s be honest there has been a few, but it’s not like there is 5 or 6 a day

16 Oct is trade deadline, let’s see what plays out before we hit the panic button


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Of the few that have, we've had one request a trade to our club, and so far none requesting a trade to leave.

 

[Mutineer]

Of the few that have, we've had one request a trade to our club, and so far none requesting a trade to leave.

Sounds like the Berg is out the door?

 

[Mostyn]

Sounds like the Berg is out the door?

Yeah, not a trade though. Sadly.

 

[MarcusP2]

NTRabbit is about to have his 3rd strike on Welsh .....some terrible talent assessment by him / they

Is Welsh secretly a Crouch cousin?

 

[crow2crow]

Sounds like the Berg is out the door?

yeh but we cleary dont want him from their lack of an offer to stay

 

[Mutineer]

yeh but we cleary dont want him from their lack of an offer to stay

I thought we did make an offer of some sort?

 

[MRB37]

yeh but we cleary dont want him from their lack of an offer to stay

Rumour was earlier in the year that we offered 2 years, but it's probably similar to what the Suns offered and he'd know he's no chance of getting back into the 22 consistently with us. May as well try a change of scenery to see if he can get better results.

 

[MRB37]

I thought we did make an offer of some sort?

Around August or so that Simeon guy for the 'Tiser said we'd offered both Himmelberg and Borlase 2 year deals and both were waiting for the end of the year because they were FA's and wanted to see what the market was.

 

[NTRabbit]

Do you realise the exact same thing was said about Darling and Battle in their Draft years ......it's rubbish

Logan Morris at 191 cm has also proved to be an exciting FWD in his first year at BRIS ...will be playing in a GF
And he's not as quick as Tyler

So have to disagree on all counts ......Welsh has the same attributes as Scotty .....he'll be a good AFL player

You can't just list the handful of exceptions and expect everyone to be those players, for every Jack Darling there's a hundred James Sellars.

Talented tweeners slide for good reasons, even Darling was a second round pick, and I doubt his brief list of off field antics at the end of year 12 had any serious impact.

 

[Mutineer]

You can't just list the handful of exceptions and expect everyone to be those players, for every Jack Darling there's a hundred James Sellars.

Talented tweeners slide for good reasons, even Darling was a second round pick, and I doubt his brief list of off field antics at the end of year 12 had any serious impact.

Welsh won't be playing a KPF role at AFL level...he's a Jake Stringer type forward with similar explosiveness on the lead.

Jake Waterman, Mitch Georgiades, Kyle Langford, Tim Membrey, Cam Zarhuur do alright for tweeners...

James Sellar was legitimate key forward size, hell he even played some ruck.

 

[Thylacinus]

But Darling made it, Rabbit! As did that tweener Matthew Pavlich

Matthew Pavlich

Age

43

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192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

11.3

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

12.8

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

8.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

3.4

5star

! Welsh is strongly built, has explosive pace and a booming kick. He does have desired AFL traits contrary to a prior post of yours.

 

[1990crow]

Welsh won't be playing a KPF role at AFL level...he's a Jake Stringer type forward with similar explosiveness on the lead.

Jake Waterman, Mitch GeorgiadesKyle Langford, Tim Membrey, Cam Zarhuur do alright for tweeners...

I think the word "key forward" probably a little outdated.
Lead up, athletic marking forward like those you mentioned is true though.
Equally valuable.

Probably would have Zurharr as more of a medium forward.

 

[1990crow]

But Darling made it, Rabbit! As did that tweener Matthew Pavlich! Welsh is strongly built, has explosive pace and a booming kick. He does have desired AFL traits contrary to a prior post of yours.

He hasn't been measured for about a year I think. Be interesting if he's grown at all.

 

[crow2crow]

Welsh won't be playing a KPF role at AFL level...he's a Jake Stringer type forward with similar explosiveness on the lead.

Jake Waterman, Mitch Georgiades, Kyle Langford, Tim Membrey, Cam Zarhuur do alright for tweeners...

James Sellar was legitimate key forward size, hell he even played some ruck.

i reckon hes going to be a handfull to play on when you're getting defender 5 or 6

 

[Danger in Texas]

Welsh won't be playing a KPF role at AFL level...he's a Jake Stringer type forward with similar explosiveness on the lead.

Jake Waterman, Mitch Georgiades, Kyle Langford, Tim Membrey, Cam Zarhuur do alright for tweeners...

James Sellar was legitimate key forward size, hell he even played some ruck.

Wasn't the problem with Sellar that he was a ruck in a KPF's body?

Welsh will be fine, particularly given he's got the athletic traits

 

[Carn The Texan]

It's not even Grand Final day and we've already added two instant upgrades to our best 22 in ANB and Isaac.

We've got pick 4 and Welsh to come, as well as any other movements we can achieve prior to the draft.

I'm not a huge fan of shifting pick 25 for ANB but this isn't the most depressed I've been with our post-season activity. (Still the most depressed I've been with on field performance but hey, the only way is up)

 

[NTRabbit]

Wasn't the problem with Sellar that he was a ruck in a KPF's body?

Welsh will be fine, particularly given he's got the athletic traits

Different kind of tweener, same basic problem. Borlase is another, if he'd been 198cm he would not have gone to the rookie draft. Ruck in a KPPs body, KPP in a flankers body, midfielder in a child's body (Caleb Daniel).

That players whose skill set don't match their physical attributes are battling uphill from the beginning, and hence they fall down the draft order lower than where any talent evaluation would suggest, is not a controversial statement, if he turns into a handy player it still doesn't change the fact that recruitment teams see tweeners as more of a gamble.

I mean, why else do people think that a player who was spoken about as a top 5 talent in the U16s is now not even being discussed inside the top 30 in draft talk despite his SANFL season?

 

[Mutineer]

Wasn't the problem with Sellar that he was a ruck in a KPF's body?

Welsh will be fine, particularly given he's got the athletic traits

Sellars biggest problem was legitimate talent.

Can't blame Rendell or Ogilvie for that one...that was all down to James Fantasia.

 

[1990crow]

Sellars biggest problem was legitimate talent.

Can't blame Rendell or Ogilvie for that one...that was all down to James Fantasia.

From memory Sellar moved pretty well for a big man, just didn't have the skills really.

 

[Mutineer]

Different kind of tweener, same basic problem. Borlase is another, if he'd been 198cm he would not have gone to the rookie draft. Ruck in a KPPs body, KPP in a flankers body, midfielder in a child's body (Caleb Daniel).

That players whose skill set don't match their physical attributes are battling uphill from the beginning, and hence they fall down the draft order lower than where any talent evaluation would suggest, is not a controversial statement, if he turns into a handy player it still doesn't change the fact that recruitment teams see tweeners as more of a gamble.

Zane Duursmaa didn't last year.

 

[Cromulant]

Different kind of tweener, same basic problem. Borlase is another, if he'd been 198cm he would not have gone to the rookie draft. Ruck in a KPPs body, KPP in a flankers body, midfielder in a child's body (Caleb Daniel).

That players whose skill set don't match their physical attributes are battling uphill from the beginning, and hence they fall down the draft order lower than where any talent evaluation would suggest, is not a controversial statement, if he turns into a handy player it still doesn't change the fact that recruitment teams see tweeners as more of a gamble.

I mean, why else do people think that a player who was spoken about as a top 5 talent in the U16s is now not even being discussed inside the top 30 in draft talk?

Played againt men all year and needs to work on his game a little ??

He'll be fine.

 

[OccamsRazorRay]

Cumming and ANB, A 26 year old and 29 year old, both quick, both fit list needs, raise our age profile/experience...

Fantastic pickups, especially Cumming if we can get his body right. We desperately need speed and we've picked up two pacey players, I like it..

Add Draper into that mix and we've certainly increased our speed across the park...

Should be a wakeup call for our senior players.... You'd imagine Smith and Murphy will be taking the reigns of the SANFL team...

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Cumming and ANB, A 26 year old and 29 year old, both quick, both fit list needs, raise our age profile/experience...

Fantastic pickups, especially Cumming if we can get his body right. We desperately need speed and we've picked up two pacey players, I like it..

Add Draper into that mix and we've certainly increased our speed across the park...

Should be a wakeup call for our senior players.... You'd imagine Smith and Murphy will be taking the reigns of the SANFL team...

There is really no reason to be starting Laird too. Outranked in midfield by (at the very least) Daws, Izak, Crouch, Pick 4, Berry & Taylor. Outranked in defence by (at the very least) Hinge, Nank, Max, Cumming & Milera.

 

[crow2crow]

how much improvement would there be in everyones mood if murphy was unexpectedly delisted and we took a speculative pick late in the draft with the list spot? mine would ****ing skyrocket.