List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Sanders]

Not sure.

He’s got 3 more years contracted, won our b&F 18 months ago

2 firsts?
3?

 

[Sanders]

Fantasy stat influence you say ? Perhaps an educated view formed by watching every single game he has played for the last 5 years in it’s entirety not just the ones against the Crows

Wonder who it was then, if it wasn’t you that did this?

 

[FR0GGY]

He’s got 3 more years contracted, won our b&F 18 months ago

2 firsts?
3?

Clearly no one is paying either of those prices. We'd be reluctant to sell imo.

 

[Sanders]

Clearly no one is paying either of those prices. We'd be reluctant to sell imo.

Pants down around the table if we got a decent offer, that contract is a nightmare

 

[Scorpus]

Pants down around the table if we got a decent offer, that contract is a nightmare

Does the club think so?

 

[FR0GGY]

Pants down around the table if we got a decent offer, that contract is a nightmare

Yes but what’s a decent offer?
If another club just took him off our books.
I bet the club says no.

 

[1970crow]

Pants down around the table if we got a decent offer, that contract is a nightmare

Surely a fair amount was paid down over the last 3 years. The only way we'd have met the 95% minimum is to bring payments forward. Although, we are reasonably incompetent in lots of different ways.

 

[Captain Furious]

He was a crows supporter?

That time has likely passed. If we wanted him, we maybe could’ve got him very cheap last year. Either we got scared off by his drugs charge or he wanted to be with family in Melbourne to right his ship. Carlton supported him during a tough time, he’s playing great footy, they look like winning a flag soon. Ship has sailed.

 

[FR0GGY]

Surely a fair amount was paid down over the last 3 years. The only way we'd have met the 95% minimum is to bring payments forward. Although, we are reasonably incompetent in lots of different ways.

Or we just have been overpaying the mid range?

 

[1970crow]

Or we just have been overpaying the mid range?

Surely not, but it's definitely not beyond our ineptness.

 

[Samcro24]

Pants down around the table if we got a decent offer, that contract is a nightmare

It’s a recurring theme. We lock into these dud contracts and not long after are counting down the years til we can **** them off.

Sloane, Laird, Milera, ROB. It’s gross.

 

[George Kramer]

Bye

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Just going back to the discussion around us bringing in a ready made ruck replacement, and the comments made over the last few years about not needing to draft a ruck as we could easily bring someone in from another club that was ready to go. Saw the below article on the AFL website - we picked a bad year to try and find a replacement for ROB and also a new backup if we intend to move either on this year.

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I think we have no choice but to keep playing RoB, and just draft a developing ruck. Nick Bryan is the only one on that list worth trying to poach. We don't want a Port KPD situation recruiting VFL players because thats the market.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

It's not clicking for him. Thought something was there for a while but maybe not. His hands are way to slow to play inside mid. He can fend off, spread and pressure/tackle well but its not enough.

 

[CrowTownRoad]

Heard a little while ago that he will go where ever opportunity presents itself. He isn’t homesick, just wants to play regular AFL footy and will go any to do it

 

[Mostyn]

I think there's a much longer list of ruckmen worth approaching

Max Heath
Max Knobel
Henry Smith
Harry Barnett
Nick Bryant
Nick Madden
Max Ramsden

Actually, why do they all have similar first names?

 

[Crow till I die]

It’s a recurring theme. We lock into these dud contracts and not long after are counting down the years til we can **** them off.

Sloane, Laird, Milera, ROB. It’s gross.

Bit earlier this season himmelberg comes in and actually plays ok, clunks a few marks and kicks a few goals and my mate says to me at the game, gee finally himmelberg looks good. I said to him - its a contract year

 

[Crow till I die]

It's not clicking for him. Thought something was there for a while but maybe not. His hands are way to slow to play inside mid. He can fend off, spread and pressure/tackle well but its not enough.

Listening to caro on 5AA yesterday, she thinks the clubs with the most to lose re the change to the bidding system this year have held sway with the AFL and the changes may be delayed until next year. If so, then if Berry can bring in a back ended pick or 2 it helps with matching a welsh bid. Hoping GWS offer Himmelberg enough of a contract that we get a compo pick to help with that as well. It all counts.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Wonder who it was then, if it wasn’t you that did this?

Fair enough , if you want to personalise it yes it is. Haven’t missed one game by any team in full by replay or live for over 7 years, fantasy footy happens to be my thing. With that in mind reckon I have seen 200 hrs + of him and hours of stat work , your good self ? So back to your view, put forward your case for Marshall being so lowly rated and at odds with almost everybody or are you going to continue twisting the argument ?

 

[George Kramer]

I think there's a much longer list of ruckmen worth approaching

Max Heath
Max Knobel
Henry Smith
Harry Barnett
Nick Bryant
Nick Madden
Max Ramsden

Actually, why do they all have similar first names?

How many of those would be able to lead our ruck well next year and are available?

 

[skam85]

He’s got 3 more years contracted, won our b&F 18 months ago

2 firsts?
3?

He's in our top 3 players (according to coaches votes).
2 x firsts MINIMUM
and you genuinely can't prove me wrong

 

[skam85]

How many of those would be able to lead our ruck well next year and are available?

and most importantly worth less than two first rounders

 

[Scorpus]

How many of those would be able to lead our ruck well next year and are available?

The existing standard is O'Brien and Strachan

Any of them would likely be able to lead our ruck without a drop in standard

 

[DJ75]

Listening to caro on 5AA yesterday, she thinks the clubs with the most to lose re the change to the bidding system this year have held sway with the AFL and the changes may be delayed until next year. If so, then if Berry can bring in a back ended pick or 2 it helps with matching a welsh bid. Hoping GWS offer Himmelberg enough of a contract that we get a compo pick to help with that as well. It all counts.

So what she means is, the VFL saw that it was becoming the time that SA clubs would be benefitting from the father-son rules and for 'competitive balance' reasons the rules need to be changed.
Then they realise Carlton would get screwed out of two FS picks as well, so they decided to delay it a year.

Sound about right?

I wonder what the 'competitive balance review' will say about the % of Vic teams winning the premiership since their last review?

 

[Vader]

So what she means is, the VFL saw that it was becoming the time that SA clubs would be benefitting from the father-son rules and for 'competitive balance' reasons the rules need to be changed.
Then they realise Carlton would get screwed out of two FS picks as well, so they decided to delay it a year.

Sound about right?

I wonder what the 'competitive balance review' will say about the % of Vic teams winning the premiership since their last review?

The problem is that clubs have already traded 2024 picks, on the basis of the rules as they currently stand. Changing the rules, after picks have changed hands, is inherently unfair.

Announcing the rules now, and having them take effect in 2025 is much fairer.