List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[DJ75]

Caleb Daniel showing he’d be a handy upgrade on a few players on our list

Little difference between him and Laird. Zero interest from me

 

[steve9798]

I really don't get the obsession with Luko and Philippou. Two really overrated, soft footballers.

 

[steve9798]

Caleb Daniel showing he’d be a handy upgrade on a few players on our list

Daniel - LOL - surely you're joking.

 

[WeeBlake]

Little difference between him and Laird. Zero interest from me

One is a really really good kick, the other isn’t

 

[CDC60]

Pie In The Sky Time

Delist
McHenry
Parnell
Burgess (even if he’s contracted)

Retired
Smith
Sloane

FA
Himmelberg - GWS

Trade
Berry – Richmond Pick 29
Laird – Melbourne
Rachele – Carlton Pick 11
Keane – Collingwood F2
Gollant – Richmond Pick 47

Picks 4, 11, 25 (Melb 2nd), 29, 42, 47, 60, F2 Collingwood

Trade 4, 11 to St Kilda for 7 & 8 (Battle compensation)
Trade F1 for Fremantle 17 and F1

Incoming
Perryman – FA
Cumming - FA
Pick 7 – Sid Draper
Pick 8 – Sam Lalor
Pick 17 – Alex Dodson
Pick 25 – Jack Whitlock
Pick 29 - Matt Whitlock
Pick 42 – Tyler Welsh
Pick 60 – Jack Michalanney
F2 Collingwood & Pick 47 – to GCS for Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

Fremantle F1 + Rory Laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

30

Ht

177cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

– to Melbourne for Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

24

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

& Alex Neal-Bullen

30

Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.1

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

2025 1st Round Team:

B: Worrell, Butts, Petty
HB: Michalanney, Murray, Hinge
C: Cumming, Crouch, Perryman
HF: Luko, Thilthorpe, Neal-Bullen
F: Pedlar, Fogarty, Rankine
R: O’Brien, Dawson, Soligo
Res: Draper, Lalor, Curtin, Nankervis
Sub: Dowling
E: Milera, Ryan, Edwards, Walker, Keays, Jones, Sholl, Bond

2025 Draft
Crows 2nd _ 22
Crows 3rd _ 40
Crows 4th - 58

*If someone can find a way of replacing ROB immediately I’d appreciate it

 

[Burtonsgottago]

Thought it was bizarre when I saw him pick up the ball and thought straight away NO

more stat padding

 

[SLOWNE]

I really don't get the obsession with Luko and Philippou. Two really overrated, soft footballers.

Pou is going to be an absolute gun. Kid loves to win, more importantly, HATES to lose.

If he is gettable, give him the Godfather™ offer and get it done.

 

[hippyhippy]

Little difference between him and Laird. Zero interest from me

Daniel is an upgrade on laird easily... I would trade them given the events of the last week

 

[rocket18]

Reckon Hawthorn knew the right ones to move on, too

Low impact guys like JOM and Mitchell were the right ones to move, so they could prioritise Day, Newk etc. That’s what we should do now with Laird, but won’t

This was another area our list management that was appalling.

We kept Sloane, Laird, Crouch and Keays - all similar midfielders. Should have traded out two of them whilst we were cutting deep

And of course our rookie coach kept played them all in the midfield for years, stifling our midfield development.

Which is why our two best mids have been traded in and not developed by Nicks in his 5 years.

 

[LoBu]

This was another area our list management was appalling.

We kept Sloane, Laird, Crouch and Keays - all similar midfielders. Should have traded out two of them whilst we were cutting deep

And of course our rookie coach kept played them all in the midfield for years, stifling our midfield development.

Which is why our two best mids have been traded in and not developed by Nicks in his 5 years.

I don't think any other club wanted any of those players, not since Nicks took over.

We wanted speed (Gallucci) but never had a high draft pick to get a good one until Jones, McHenry, that's where the list error came.

But Nicks couldn't play anyone else could he, there was no one?

 

[Gtowncrow]

You mean not letting the BF Cartel get their hands on shiny new toys, before the toys are ready to be played with?

Putting games into duds - Murphy being the prime (and almost only) example - can be justified on the basis of a lack of alternatives. We simply don't have anyone with whom to replace him. I really wish we did, but the fact is that we don't. This is why the recruitment of ANB is so important (infinitely more important than Luko).

I think we had a promising young half forward who could have easily replaced Murphy this week.

 

[huludicidal]

Season over, here's how our list stands.

View attachment 2090530

This is excellent. Couple of things though.

Thilthorpe now contracted until end of 2028.

Edwards and Ryan are both 2026.

 

[Gtowncrow]

We can't trade him, because he wouldn't have any takers and wouldn't agree to be traded anyway. Trading requires the agreement of 3 parties - the losing team, the gaining team, and the player - and all 3 need to agree to the trade. As of 2025, there's only 1 of the 3 parties with any interest in making a trade happen.

We can't pay out his contract and delist him, given that he has 2 years left on a fairly hefty salary.

We're stuck with him for at least another year, at which point the best we can do is talk him into retiring.

Then the coach needs to have the courage to drop him increasingly.

Barely best 22 for the past few months.

 

[Vader]

Then the coach needs to have the courage to drop him increasingly.

Barely best 22 for the past few months.

I don't disagree... but that doesn't solve the problem of him being contracted for the next 2 years.

 

[Vader]

I think we had a promising young half forward who could have easily replaced Murphy this week.

Who? Pedlar? He's on the injury list, after having surgery on his shoulder.

 

[The Garden Gnome]

Who? Pedlar? He's on the injury list, after having surgery on his shoulder.

If I'm not mistaken, I think he is referencing the Rachele situation

 

[FR0GGY]

This was another area our list management was appalling.

We kept Sloane, Laird, Crouch and Keays - all similar midfielders. Should have traded out two of them whilst we were cutting deep

And recruited Berry

 

[CROW36]

Pie In The Sky Time

Delist
McHenry
Parnell
Burgess (even if he’s contracted)

Retired
Smith
Sloane

FA
Himmelberg - GWS

Trade
Berry – Richmond Pick 29
Laird – Melbourne
Rachele – Carlton Pick 11
Keane – Collingwood F2
Gollant – Richmond Pick 47

Picks 4, 11, 25 (Melb 2nd), 29, 42, 47, 60, F2 Collingwood

Trade 4, 11 to St Kilda for 7 & 8 (Battle compensation)
Trade F1 for Fremantle 17 and F1

Incoming
Perryman – FA
Cumming - FA
Pick 7 – Sid Draper
Pick 8 – Sam Lalor
Pick 17 – Alex Dodson
Pick 25 – Jack Whitlock
Pick 29 - Matt Whitlock
Pick 42 – Tyler Welsh
Pick 60 – Jack Michalanney
F2 Collingwood & Pick 47 – to GCS for Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

Fremantle F1 + Rory Laird

29

Rory Laird

Age

30

Ht

177cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.4

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

12.5

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.3

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

19.6

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

– to Melbourne for Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

24

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

& Alex Neal-Bullen

30

Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.1

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

2025 1st Round Team:

B: Worrell, Butts, Petty
HB: Michalanney, Murray, Hinge
C: Cumming, Crouch, Perryman
HF: Luko, Thilthorpe, Neal-Bullen
F: Pedlar, Fogarty, Rankine
R: O’Brien, Dawson, Soligo
Res: Draper, Lalor, Curtin, Nankervis
Sub: Dowling
E: Milera, Ryan, Edwards, Walker, Keays, Jones, Sholl, Bond

2025 Draft
Crows 2nd _ 22
Crows 3rd _ 40
Crows 4th - 58

*If someone can find a way of replacing ROB immediately I’d appreciate it

You make it sound so sweet you should be our recruiting officer…


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[Crow-eater]

This is excellent. Couple of things though.

Thilthorpe now contracted until end of 2028.

Edwards and Ryan are both 2026.

I know there was media saying RT had signed, but have the AFC come out and said it? If I can find a press release from the Crows, I'll change it. Edwards and Ryan only got the initial 2 year deals when drafted because they were drafted after pick 20.

 

[Redline]

Pie In The Sky Time

Delist
McHenry
Parnell
Burgess (even if he’s contracted)

Retired
Smith
Sloane

FA
Himmelberg - GWS

Trade
Berry – Richmond Pick 29
Laird – Melbourne
Rachele – Carlton Pick 11
Keane – Collingwood F2
Gollant – Richmond Pick 47

Picks 4, 11, 25 (Melb 2nd), 29, 42, 47, 60, F2 Collingwood

Trade 4, 11 to St Kilda for 7 & 8 (Battle compensation)
Trade F1 for Fremantle 17 and F1

Incoming
Perryman – FA
Cumming - FA
Pick 7 – Sid Draper
Pick 8 – Sam Lalor
Pick 17 – Alex Dodson
Pick 25 – Jack Whitlock
Pick 29 - Matt Whitlock
Pick 42 – Tyler Welsh
Pick 60 – Jack Michalanney
F2 Collingwood & Pick 47 – to GCS for Jack Lukosius
Fremantle F1 + Rory Laird – to Melbourne for Harrison Petty & Alex Neal-Bullen

2025 1st Round Team:

B: Worrell, Butts, Petty
HB: Michalanney, Murray, Hinge
C: Cumming, Crouch, Perryman
HF: Luko, Thilthorpe, Neal-Bullen
F: Pedlar, Fogarty, Rankine
R: O’Brien, Dawson, Soligo
Res: Draper, Lalor, Curtin, Nankervis
Sub: Dowling
E: Milera, Ryan, Edwards, Walker, Keays, Jones, Sholl, Bond

2025 Draft
Crows 2nd _ 22
Crows 3rd _ 40
Crows 4th - 58

*If someone can find a way of replacing ROB immediately I’d appreciate it

Solid effort

Gold Coast will want more but that will play out.

We took Rachele with pick 6 and now trading him for pick 11?

Essentially you are trading our future first for pick 17, ANB and Petty. If we have a similar year to 2024 that would be a really bad outcome. We would miss out again on high end talent. If you are confident we will play finals then it works.

 

[baldandbroke]

Good to see so many up and about with all the reasons why we did everything we could this season to be better - but we were either unlucky or hamstrung by previous unlucky decisions.

Poor us.

Why can’t we just avoid all injuries and have our young players be instantly better with more experience without having to develop them and without having to play them consistently in the AFL team in the positions that matter?

And why do our older players have to deteriorate when other teams seem to magically find roles for these guys that make their teams better? And some of them fluke bringing in experienced players for roles

Just so so unlucky.

Or … nah, can’t t think of any other logical explanation.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Add Taylor too to the list of class players we should have got more games into.

We used him as sub two games in a row prior to the Sydney game

Amazing stuff

4 times out of his 9 games as starting sub.

Zac, your performances just aren't consistent enough.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So instead of watching the game you made a graph

I made a graph of Crows fans' feelings towards the overall direction of the club:

 

[1990crow]

I made a graph of Crows fans' feelings towards the overall direction of the club:

View attachment 2092004

That's the problem with our club. We have too many intelligent types.
Ports graph us a straight line next to the Y axis.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

He clearly looks like he’s lost passion for the game and he’s adding nothing in leadership for our young guys

He could have a mini renaissance at another club as a role player for 2 years for sure , he should try instigate it if the club doesn’t

I recall a post by bigman pre season and I highlighted it as a watch as he said something like “Laird had been on the angry pills”, then again the next week same and was not getting midfield rotations . And a couple of player interviews with our younger players said how angry he was in a joking way. On that observation I had Laird noted as losing his position during the year, thing is he has gone toxic about it imo.

Trade if we can.