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really, as we sit right now, they have 3 genuine PROVEN elites (JHF, Rozee, Butters) in that age group, and we have 1 (Rankine). He is just being "nice" in writing that there are more
The only thing JHF has proven is that he's a petulant sook.
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really, as we sit right now, they have 3 genuine PROVEN elites (JHF, Rozee, Butters) in that age group, and we have 1 (Rankine). He is just being "nice" in writing that there are more
Players out of contract this year
Smith, Burgess, Himmelberg, Bond, Borlase, Gollant, McHenry, Parnell, Sloane, Berry, Walker and Hamill.
Smith probably hits his trigger.
Can’t see us getting rid of Bond after debuting him.
Berry has done enough to get another contract and I can’t see us not giving one to Walker.
Sloane already gone, get rid of Hamill, Parnell, Gollant and McHenry. Himmelberg probably leaves. I think we only need to keep one of Borlase and Burgess. That means we have six remaining spots. Welsh and our first pick takes another. The idea that we can’t invest one of those other four spots to a young developing ruck is silly.
Dawson has done the most out of any of those 4really, as we sit right now, they have 3 genuine PROVEN elites (JHF, Rozee, Butters) in that age group, and we have 1 (Rankine). He is just being "nice" in writing that there are more
Not sure what people were expecting. He was a complete dud at AFL level at the Suns too.Burgess has been a real disappointment
In the 7 matches played at AFL for us he has kicked 2, 1, 1 and 3. With none in his other 3 games. Hes als0 played as back up ruck.Burgess has been a real disappointment
might not have much of a choice.Not sure what people were expecting. He was a complete dud at AFL level at the Suns too.
I'd rather keep Gollant if we have to choose one.
I'd say the Adelaide list is better for forards & defenders. Port's is considerably better for midfielders.I think that's fair.
Up to Adelaide now to find A grade midfield talent given our poor year and access to another top pick.
But the analysis also doesn't consider our other youth who in volume will overpower what Port have drafted given the two clubs performance over the past 5 years and Port trading away their picks.
My under 26 analysis
Port
JHF, Butters, Rozee, Georgiadis, Farrell, Drew, Burgoyne, Evans, Bergman, Mead, Sinn, Jones, Marshall, Lord, BZT, Williams
Crows
Rachele, Soligo, Michalanney, Rankine, Thilthorpe, Fogarty, Worrell, Dowling, Pedlar, Sholl, Taylor, Murray, Butts, Keane, Berry, Curtin, Ryan, Edwards, Cook, Hamill, Nankervis
Crows list bats way deeper in talent levels and quantity. The challenge for the Crows is to add A grade talent at the top end especially in the midfield to drive that advantage home, not just compared to Port, but in terms of our long term top 4 ambitions.
Yes. Up to us to bring the mid group closer if we want to be successful.I'd say the Adelaide list is better for forards & defenders. Port's is considerably better for midfielders.
Himmelberg is the depth, he is the depth's depth. He has been largely uncompetitive in his games and kicks junk time goals when the game is over. The support he provides in the ruck is not worth the impact on forward line which is why we tried Borlase in that roleIn the 7 matches played at AFL for us he has kicked 2, 1, 1 and 3. With none in his other 3 games. Hes als0 played as back up ruck.
In the 6 matches played at SANFL he has kicked 3, 4, 3, 1, 3, 1
Hes been fine as a back up. Now Thilthorpe and Himmelberg are fit hes depth. but not bad depth
Wasn't EH injured when we tried Borlase in the forward line......Himmelberg is the depth, he is the depth's depth. He has been largely uncompetitive in his games and kicks junk time goals when the game is over. The support he provides in the ruck is not worth the impact on forward line which is why we tried Borlase in that role
Yeah, my point is we played Borlase there over BurgessWasn't EH injured when we tried Borlase in the forward line......
I'm hoping we never see Borlase in our forward line ever again.
Yes, but Himmelberg is probably going to GWS as a FA, so we shouldn't be banking on him providing that depth in 2025.Himmelberg is the depth, he is the depth's depth. He has been largely uncompetitive in his games and kicks junk time goals when the game is over. The support he provides in the ruck is not worth the impact on forward line which is why we tried Borlase in that role
Burgess was so "fine as a back up" that we chose to play Borlase ahead of him, while Berg/Walker/TT were all unavailable due to injury.In the 7 matches played at AFL for us he has kicked 2, 1, 1 and 3. With none in his other 3 games. Hes als0 played as back up ruck.
In the 6 matches played at SANFL he has kicked 3, 4, 3, 1, 3, 1
Hes been fine as a back up. Now Thilthorpe and Himmelberg are fit hes depth. but not bad depth
Borlase IS NOT a better forward than Burgess...FactBurgess was so "fine as a back up" that we chose to play Borlase ahead of him, while Berg/Walker/TT were all unavailable due to injury.
Borlase is a decent enough defender, but he's bloody awful as a forward, and yet he was still better than Burgess.
Borlase is not a better forward than Burgess in any timeBurgess was so "fine as a back up" that we chose to play Borlase ahead of him, while Berg/Walker/TT were all unavailable due to injury.
Borlase is a decent enough defender, but he's bloody awful as a forward, and yet he was still better than Burgess.
He's bloody awful as a forward... yet he still performed better in the forward line than Burgess, when given the opportunity to do so earlier this season.Borlase IS NOT a better forward than Burgess...Fact
Let us pray that we never see either Borlase or Burgess inhabiting our forward line ever again.Burgess as a defender who knows given he hasn't played a lot there for the Suns and never for us even though he's always been touted as a swingman.
Keep Hamill.
I wouldn't have thought so either, until we had the chance to compare them earlier this season.Borlase is not a better forward than Burgess in any time
When was the last time we had a key backman average 17 disposals
In the 7 matches played at AFL for us he has kicked 2, 1, 1 and 3. With none in his other 3 games. Hes als0 played as back up ruck.
In the 6 matches played at SANFL he has kicked 3, 4, 3, 1, 3, 1
Hes been fine as a back up. Now Thilthorpe and Himmelberg are fit hes depth. but not bad depth
Why do ppl think just because someone's out of the side it's a guarantee they'll be delisted. Sholl was a regular, then he was on the outer for almost a whole season and then was re signed. Crouch similar. Hamill similar.
People also reckon Gollant will be delisted but how long did it take fog to come good? He's just hit some good form in the twos now as well. Won't be surprised if he gets another 2 years.
I think Himmelberg has been more useful in terms of making a contest for kicks down the line.Himmelberg has kicked 1 more goal than Burgess this year from the same number of games
Not sure there's as much difference as people make it seem
Bullshit!!!He's bloody awful as a forward... yet he still performed better in the forward line than Burgess, when given the opportunity to do so earlier this season.
Walker, Berg & TT all back from injury, so we shouldn't have to face this nightmare scenario again until at least 2025.
Burgess showed a bit of promise at the start of the year, but also had 3 of the statistically worst misses of the season against Geelong and Fremantle.Himmelberg has kicked 1 more goal than Burgess this year from the same number of games
Not sure there's as much difference as people make it seem