List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Sizzlepack]

Laird is 1 year older, and a better player with a far better record.

Yes on a bigger contract of course.

You're totally right on the age, strange goof by me.

Think the point of difference is probably that McAdam, for his flaws, has an X-factor quality as a marking medium forward that Laird lacks.

I wouldn't mind us testing the waters with a Laird trade, but ultimately I think a maximum of 1 of 3 required parties would be interested.

 

[Sizzlepack]

I'm sure we could pay half of his salary & get a better pick.

It would be in both parties interests he move on.

True, there are things we could do to sweeten the deal, but would there be any clubs with a cap squeeze that would be even vaguely interested?

 

[GreyCrow]

Yeah as much as its a fantasy Laird isnt going anywhere and I also doubt we are phasing him out

To be fair he does bring - I dont want to use the word weapons - multi- positional ability

Can the coaches see the diminishment or will they persist

 

[GameofSloanes]

No club's giving up much for Laird. Certainly not a late first or early second, as was hypothesised on the previous page. The only two good scenarios are that either his form improves and he warrants a first 22 spot, or he progressively gets phased out of the side over the first half of next season.

Encouragingly, he's already been phased out of the midfield. At least there is some recognition he's on his way out

 

[jackster83]

I would be absolutely amazed if he wanted out, on good coin, and gets to stay in Adelaide, 31 year old, just doesn't seem the type to want to move interstate at this time in his career.

Just going through the motions.

There's no real desire for success or to get better within this club.

 

[jackster83]

Encouragingly, he's already been phased out of the midfield. At least there is some recognition he's on his way out

He'll be back in the middle in R1 next year.

We'll hear about how he is smashing it in the possibles vs probables trial and that'll be enough to lock him in.

 

[Cromulant]

He'll be back in the middle in R1 next year.

We'll hear about how he is smashing it in the possibles vs probables trial and that'll be enough to lock him in.

I dunno, I reckon this has Thommo 2017 written all over it

 

[BunjiMac]

I dunno, I reckon this has Thommo 2017 written all over it

In fairness to Thommo he was twice the player Laird was in middle, i don't care how many gold Jackets Laird has.

 

[Cromulant]

In fairness to Thommo he was twice the player Laird was in middle, i don't care how many gold Jackets Laird has.

As a midfielder there's no doubt about that at all.

 

[GreyCrow]

He'll be back in the middle in R1 next year.

We'll hear about how he is smashing it in the possibles vs probables trial and that'll be enough to lock him in.

'' flying in the preseason ''

 

[1970crow]

I have a hunch, if Thomas were to be re-listed by another Club, bar the Crows ....you'd have the opposite perspective

Your hunch would be very wrong. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find a post of mine that criticises the decisions of other clubs.

 

[Gtowncrow]

We’ve done it before - Douglas, Lynch, Talia

But not having the balls to do it now is incredibly annoying

These three are not premiership players nor previous club captains.

Not the point of my post.

 

[TBM]

He'll be back in the middle in R1 next year.

We'll hear about how he is smashing it in the possibles vs probables trial and that'll be enough to lock him in.

I hope you’ll be wrong but I fear you’ll be right

 

[ABAB]

He'll be back in the middle in R1 next year.

We'll hear about how he is smashing it in the possibles vs probables trial and that'll be enough to lock him in.

More likely play out like Smith, will be in the backline for half a year until Nicks "finally" see he is cooked and drop him to the SANFL for the rest of the year and then play in the SANFL in the final year of his contract.

 

[whattagun07]

My feelings go back and forth with Luko.
I think it's the parting with too much draft capital that doesn't sit that well with me. Any involvement of a first rounder concerns me. Who knows how bad we might be next year. Trading F1 could be a disaster with no guarantee of a top 8 or even top 12 finish next year. And if GC surge a bit, F1 for Luko and F2 might be 4 for Luko and 32 That'd be a disaster.

• Rosas as a dirt cheap option, I'm up for.
• Cumming is a must.
• ANB I just hope we don't overpay for either. 25 seems too much to me given the circumstances.

The absolute priority this offseason needs to be to take 4 to the draft and take one of Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan. I'll be very disappointed if we get too cute and downgrade or use it in a Luko trade.

 

[Cromulant]

My feelings go back and forth with Luko.
I think it's the parting with too much draft capital that doesn't sit that well with me. Any involvement of a first rounder concerns me. Who knows how bad we might be next year. Trading F1 could be a disaster with no guarantee of a top 8 or even top 12 finish next year. And if GC surge a bit, F1 for Luko and F2 might be 4 for Luko and 32 That'd be a disaster.

• Rosas as a dirt cheap option, I'm up for.
• Cumming is a must.
• ANB I just hope we don't overpay for either. 25 seems too much to me given the circumstances.

The absolute priority this offseason needs to be to take 4 to the draft and take one of Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan. I'll be very disappointed if we get too cute and downgrade or use it in a Luko trade.

I don't think we'll use this year's first and 1 of those kids is a certainty IMO

 

[1990crow]

I don't think we'll use this year's first and 1 of those kids is a certainty IMO

A pick 4, Cumming, Lukosius and ANB offseason does make us significantly better.

Curious if we miss out on Lukosius if we have a backup plan.

 

[Cromulant]

A pick 4, Cumming, Lukosius and ANB offseason does make us significantly better.

Curious if we miss out on Lukosius if we have a backup plan.

History says no

 

[whattagun07]

I don't think we'll use this year's first and 1 of those kids is a certainty IMO

I tend to agree.
Just worried that next year's first rounder might end up being pick 4 too. I'd prefer we keep the F1

 

[Cromulant]

I tend to agree.
Just worried that next year's first rounder might end up being pick 4 too. I'd prefer we keep the F1

I reckon it'll be 8-10 which is still a bit high, marginally better if we get 20 back this year

 

[LoBu]

My feelings go back and forth with Luko.
I think it's the parting with too much draft capital that doesn't sit that well with me. Any involvement of a first rounder concerns me. Who knows how bad we might be next year. Trading F1 could be a disaster with no guarantee of a top 8 or even top 12 finish next year. And if GC surge a bit, F1 for Luko and F2 might be 4 for Luko and 32 That'd be a disaster.

• Rosas as a dirt cheap option, I'm up for.
• Cumming is a must.
• ANB I just hope we don't overpay for either. 25 seems too much to me given the circumstances.

The absolute priority this offseason needs to be to take 4 to the draft and take one of Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan. I'll be very disappointed if we get too cute and downgrade or use it in a Luko trade.

I think we all feel just as mixed.

Luko will improve our team given he would be a definite first 18, but a future first is a lot to pay, even with a second coming back.

Watching his highlights, Luko gets his goals via snaps, often when he gets a ball out the back, doesn't quite mark it but picks it up and gets forward of the defender running back and then snaps back over his head. Or just joe the goose stuff.

It's handy to have, but Ben Keays kinda does this already with his hard running, we can't just have a forward sitting back out of the play waiting for a rebound ball.

He also likes to lead up the ground if he's not so deep, I can see him playing a CHF role, leading to get the ball outside 50 then hitting up TT, Fog, Rankine, Rach or a floating down mid with high skills.

It's a bit of a risk, but on the balance I think we need to get more talent in, and pushing the future into the present is a good strategy.

 

[Crow till I die]

My feelings go back and forth with Luko.
I think it's the parting with too much draft capital that doesn't sit that well with me. Any involvement of a first rounder concerns me. Who knows how bad we might be next year. Trading F1 could be a disaster with no guarantee of a top 8 or even top 12 finish next year. And if GC surge a bit, F1 for Luko and F2 might be 4 for Luko and 32 That'd be a disaster.

• Rosas as a dirt cheap option, I'm up for.
• Cumming is a must.
• ANB I just hope we don't overpay for either. 25 seems too much to me given the circumstances.

The absolute priority this offseason needs to be to take 4 to the draft and take one of Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan. I'll be very disappointed if we get too cute and downgrade or use it in a Luko trade.

Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan, Smith, Smillie are all open draft. IF we are happy with any of these players, could we do something like 4 + f2 for 6 and Luko....works if GC are really keen on one of these in particular and can avoid blowing 6 on Rioli

 

[1990crow]

Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan, Smith, Smillie are all open draft. IF we are happy with any of these players, could we do something like 4 + f2 for 6 and Luko....works if GC are really keen on one of these in particular and can avoid blowing 6 on Rioli

Not interested

 

[Crow till I die]

Not interested

I was thinking if we are happy for any of the 6 mentioned, what do we lose by doing it if GC were open to it?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Lalor, Langford, Draper, O'Sullivan, Smith, Smillie are all open draft. IF we are happy with any of these players, could we do something like 4 + f2 for 6 and Luko....works if GC are really keen on one of these in particular and can avoid blowing 6 on Rioli

Would take Lindsay or Travaglia over Smillie/Langford in that scenario, personally