List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Crow till I die]

Smart he is doing his due diligence.

We have the higher offer, but that is no guarantee...

True that, although when he gets close to Alberton, its when the locals come up to greet him it might help sway his decision

 

[BigFella!]

Yeah no he isnt.

I know people will say Murphy, but Matt couldnt play small forward in the AFL. He's much like Mitch Grigg was.

Mate, he is 193cm ... Nothing small forward about him LOL. He could play that high half forward role rotating through the mids. He has both an inside and outside game, has some speed, a decent tank, a penetrating left boot, and is an excellent mark. I would be playing Allen ahead of Murphy, McHenry, Jones, Berry, Laird, Pedlar, Cook, Gollant, Hamill, Burgess, Schoenberg, Milera, Smith, Parnell and Sholl

Grigg was a midfielder trying to get a game against Sloane, Thompson, Dangerfield, Crouch and Crouch. Our current midfield of Dawson, Laird, Crouch, Soligo, Berry and Rankine is not as formidable as our 2014-15 midfield. Additionally, given that Grigg was a dual Magarey Medallist as a midfielder, he certainly had a fair bit of ability, and was not a small forward.

McBean could be recruited as key forward / ruck back up as an interim measure. Basically filling a void until the new recruits are mature enough to do the job, similar to a J-Pod situation. McBean would be a better option at AFL level than Burgess, Himmelberg and Strachan. Given Tex won't be playing every game, McBean could be a valuable option alongside Thilthorpe and Fogarty. If Thilthorpe goes down again, McBean would be a straight up replacement.

 

[Cromulant]

Mate, he is 193cm ... Nothing small forward about him LOL. He could play that high half forward role rotating through the mids. He has both an inside and outside game, has some speed, a decent tank, a penetrating left boot, and is an excellent mark. I would be playing Allen ahead of Murphy, McHenry, Jones, Berry, Laird, Pedlar, Cook, Gollant, Hamill, Burgess, Schoenberg, Milera, Smith, Parnell and Sholl

Grigg was a midfielder trying to get a game against Sloane, Thompson, Dangerfield, Crouch and Crouch. Our current midfield of Dawson, Laird, Crouch, Soligo, Berry and Rankine is not as formidable as our 2014-15 midfield. Additionally, given that Grigg was a dual Magarey Medallist as a midfielder, he certainly had a fair bit of ability, and was not a small forward.

McBean could be recruited as key forward / ruck back up as an interim measure. Basically filling a void until the new recruits are mature enough to do the job, similar to a J-Pod situation. McBean would be a better option at AFL level than Burgess, Himmelberg and Strachan. Given Tex won't be playing every game, McBean could be a valuable option alongside Thilthorpe and Fogarty. If Thilthorpe goes down again, McBean would be a straight up replacement.

Half of those guys werent in the AFL side to begin with, most of them dont play the role you're suggesting Allen plays at AFL level and he's nowhere near the level of the majority of them.

Dont get into list management.

 

[arrowman]

I am happy with a 2nd coming back with Luko for a F1. Because I think we lack class and Luko is that whilst I get he’s not A grade.

Agree. If our F1 can unlock ANB and Luko while keeping our 2024 draft hand intact (OK hopefully we won't be paying a 2nd for ANB), and we end up with those plus pick 4, a second and Welsh, that's a win IMO. And maybe our 2025 1st will be further down the order with those players and a bit of patented organic growth.

 

[BigFella!]

Half of those guys werent in the AFL side to begin with, most of them dont play the role you're suggesting Allen plays at AFL level and he's nowhere near the level of the majority of them.

Dont get into list management.

If I was the Crows list manager, the vast majority of the players I listed wouldn't be on the Crows list to start with. Many of these players are much maligned within the Crows BF community, especially over the past 18 months. Additionally, these players played a combined 160 games across the season, with 8 players playing 10+ games across the year, and every player playing at least 1 AFL match this year. Given you thought of Allen as a small forward in your previous post and compared him to Mitch Grigg, how closely have you watched Allen this year?

A player like Allen playing a high half forward role releases Rankine and Rachele to spend more time in the midfield at the expense of players like Laird and Berry, creating a more dynamic midfield that the Crows sorely need. Allen also has the potential to play on the wing at the expense of players like Sholl, Milera (who is regularly injured), Cook or Jones; additionally Allen on the wing releases Hinge back to the half back flank ahead of Smith, Milera, Jones and Hamill. Given Allen's size and frame, he also has the potential to play that Tom Lynch role at the expense of players like Gollant. I have also seen the likes of McHenry, Schoenberg, Pedlar and Murphy play that high half forward role which I have proposed for Allen; none of them have been successful in making that role their own over the past few years; in that group there are 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick, and a rookie draft pick. I also suspect that if Allen was involved in a full-time AFL environment, with that level of training and resources at his disposal, he would make significant strides in his development that would further enhance his credentials ahead of the players listed above.

I am not saying that Allen would be the best player in the team, I am not saying Allen is a prospective Brownlow Medallist, I am saying Allen is a role player with multiple strings to his bow, that frees up other players to play in more damaging positions. I am also saying that Allen is a better player than several players on the Crows list who have played AFL football regularly. Given this, it is my thought that Allen would be worthy of a rookie pick, and taking a leaf out of the Geelong recruiting textbook that seems to have worked wonders for them over the past decade or so (Tom Stewart, Bradley Close, Shaun Mannagh and Lawson Humphries in recent years).

 

[Cromulant]

If I was the Crows list manager, the vast majority of the players I listed wouldn't be on the Crows list to start with. Many of these players are much maligned within the Crows BF community, especially over the past 18 months. Additionally, these players played a combined 160 games across the season, with 8 players playing 10+ games across the year, and every player playing at least 1 AFL match this year. Given you thought of Allen as a small forward in your previous post and compared him to Mitch Grigg, how closely have you watched Allen this year?

A player like Allen playing a high half forward role releases Rankine and Rachele to spend more time in the midfield at the expense of players like Laird and Berry, creating a more dynamic midfield that the Crows sorely need. Allen also has the potential to play on the wing at the expense of players like Sholl, Milera (who is regularly injured), Cook or Jones; additionally Allen on the wing releases Hinge back to the half back flank ahead of Smith, Milera, Jones and Hamill. Given Allen's size and frame, he also has the potential to play that Tom Lynch role at the expense of players like Gollant. I have also seen the likes of McHenry, Schoenberg, Pedlar and Murphy play that high half forward role which I have proposed for Allen; none of them have been successful in making that role their own over the past few years; in that group there are 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick, and a rookie draft pick. I also suspect that if Allen was involved in a full-time AFL environment, with that level of training and resources at his disposal, he would make significant strides in his development that would further enhance his credentials ahead of the players listed above.

I am not saying that Allen would be the best player in the team, I am not saying Allen is a prospective Brownlow Medallist, I am saying Allen is a role player with multiple strings to his bow, that frees up other players to play in more damaging positions. I am also saying that Allen is a better player than several players on the Crows list who have played AFL football regularly. Given this, it is my thought that Allen would be worthy of a rookie pick, and taking a leaf out of the Geelong recruiting textbook that seems to have worked wonders for them over the past decade or so (Tom Stewart, Bradley Close, Shaun Mannagh and Lawson Humphries in recent years).

I didnt think of Allen as a small forward at all, but you said he'd be better than Lachie Murphy, who is.

He'll be 27 in 3 weeks, and has already spent 4 years on an AFL list.

 

[Jarman3]

ahh, I thought he was a bit younger, fair enough

He already had 4 years at Richmond and didn't really make an impression. One of those players who dominates at the lower level but not at AFL level.

Reminds me a bit of Adam Richardson... won the Ken Farmer multiple times in the SANFL but useless at AFL level when we gave him a shot at it.

 

[kirky]

I don’t think we need more role players in our midfield. It’s why I was meh on retaining Berry. People confuse our midfield quality issue with a quantity issue. We actually have decent midfield depth, just need a couple guns (one if Izak becomes full time) to lead the way.

Haven’t had midfield depth since Riccuito, McLeod, Edwards, Goodwin and Johnson.

 

[Crow till I die]

He already had 4 years at Richmond and didn't really make an impression. One of those players who dominates at the lower level but not at AFL level.

Reminds me a bit of Adam Richardson... won the Ken Farmer multiple times in the SANFL but useless at AFL level when we gave him a shot at it.

I think Boyd from Norwood would be well worth a shot on a rookie list. Maybe a bit short for a real lead ruck, but his work in close -just strength and his ability to win clearances is unreal. Surely he could come in and do a good job at AFL level

 

[Cromulant]

He already had 4 years at Richmond and didn't really make an impression. One of those players who dominates at the lower level but not at AFL level.

Reminds me a bit of Adam Richardson... won the Ken Farmer multiple times in the SANFL but useless at AFL level when we gave him a shot at it.

McBean is quicker across the deck and can actually pick it up off the ground, hes more like a taller Brant Chambers.

Very good SANFL player

 

[Cromulant]

I think Boyd from Norwood would be well worth a shot on a rookie list. Maybe a bit short for a real lead ruck, but his work in close -just strength and his ability to win clearances is unreal. Surely he could come in and do a good job at AFL level

Maybe.

I reckon if anyone is gonna give him a crack its this draft.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think Boyd from Norwood would be well worth a shot on a rookie list. Maybe a bit short for a real lead ruck, but his work in close -just strength and his ability to win clearances is unreal. Surely he could come in and do a good job at AFL level

We need a better 2nd ruck option than Strachan.

Someone who can run out 4 quarters of AFL.

 

[BigFella!]

I didnt think of Allen as a small forward at all, but you said he'd be better than Lachie Murphy, who is.

He'll be 27 in 3 weeks, and has already spent 4 years on an AFL list.

Cromulant, I said Allen would be better than several currently listed Crows players, but did not mention particular names at that time. You are the one who mentioned Lachie Murphy, and compared Mitch Grigg to Matthew Allen, and after that I listed names.

Allen was delisted back in 2019, and has put on 20kg of muscle in the intervening years. Allen is now a mature body ready for the demands of AFL, and is recognised as a leader down at the Bays. I am looking at Allen and the player he is now, with another 5+ years of AFL football left in him, not the 2019 kid who wasn't physically ready for the AFL.

 

[Cromulant]

Cromulant, I said Allen would be better than several currently listed Crows players, but did not mention particular names at that time. You are the one who mentioned Lachie Murphy, and compared Mitch Grigg to Matthew Allen, and after that I listed names.

Allen was delisted back in 2019, and has put on 20kg of muscle in the intervening years. Allen is now a mature body ready for the demands of AFL, and is recognised as a leader down at the Bays. I am looking at Allen and the player he is now, with another 5+ years of AFL football left in him, not the 2019 kid who wasn't physically ready for the AFL.

He was 22 when he was delisted, and those extra kgs have made him VERY slow across the ground.

He wouldnt get a game at our club, despite what you are suggesting.

 

[ams4crows]

Cromulant, I said Allen would be better than several currently listed Crows players, but did not mention particular names at that time. You are the one who mentioned Lachie Murphy, and compared Mitch Grigg to Matthew Allen, and after that I listed names.

Allen was delisted back in 2019, and has put on 20kg of muscle in the intervening years. Allen is now a mature body ready for the demands of AFL, and is recognised as a leader down at the Bays. I am looking at Allen and the player he is now, with another 5+ years of AFL football left in him, not the 2019 kid who wasn't physically ready for the AFL.

He was a Mount Gambier boy right? He was actually killing it in the WAFL too just couldn't get in the Eagles side, I was surprised he wasn't signed as a delisted free agent by any club at the time too.

 

[Cromulant]

We need a better 2nd ruck option than Strachan.

Someone who can run out 4 quarters of AFL.

Ivan Soldo wants to be traded......

 

[Cromulant]

He was a Mount Gambier boy right? He was actually killing it in the WAFL too just couldn't get in the Eagles side, I was surprised he wasn't signed as a delisted free agent by any club at the time too.

Clubs are good at picking deficiencies out early.

He's a great SANFL level player for sure, nothing more.

 

[Mutineer]

Ivan Soldo wants to be traded......

Better than Strachan at AFL level...but?

Former Crow Ivan Maric is Soldo's cousin btw.

 

[Cromulant]

Better than Strachan at AFL level...but?

Former Crow Ivan Maric is Soldo's cousin btw.

I vaguely remember hearing that. Sounds like he wants to go to St Kilda.

Preuss like ??

 

[Mutineer]

I vaguely remember hearing that. Sounds like he wants to go to St Kilda.

Preuss like ??

Better back up than Strachan from an AFL view but can't see him as the No.1 ruck at too many AFL clubs.

 

[Chances Are]

Not him but i did think had Port had Liam McBean up forward instead of that old broken wharf pier dixon, at least he might have pulled in a few contested marks and banged in a few goals. Mcbean is a very hard player to contain and would well be worth a rookie spot somewhere imo

McBeam would be another Adam Richardson. Great SANFL player but not us a AFL player.

 

[MRB37]

Ivan Soldo wants to be traded......

I'm guessing he only convinced the GF to move to Adelaide because he was promised 1st ruck at Port. If he's gonna be a backup then he doesn't need to be in Adelaide to do it.

 

[Jarman3]

I think Boyd from Norwood would be well worth a shot on a rookie list. Maybe a bit short for a real lead ruck, but his work in close -just strength and his ability to win clearances is unreal. Surely he could come in and do a good job at AFL level

Would definitely give him a shot as a short-mid term option to replace Strachan at least, if not ROB. But we still need to recruit a ruckman to develop. I don't think we've drafted one since Strachan, it's ridiculous.

 

[kirky]

So, in a few weeks, after Laird finishes top 3 in the B&F for the eighth year in a row, you think any club would only consider him as a salary dump?

Mate, love your posts, this seems like pandering to the Laird haters though.

And how much of a success have we been over the past 8 years (2017-2019 he was a half back flanker).

A stats accumulator with zero hurt factor.

 

[Crow till I die]

Would definitely give him a shot as a short-mid term option to replace Strachan at least, if not ROB. But we still need to recruit a ruckman to develop. I don't think we've drafted one since Strachan, it's ridiculous.

Delist (pay out) Strachan. Draft Boyd as a rookie. Draft Dodson or Mutineers ruck he has mentioned if we can't engineer a pick high enough for Dodson.

Leaves us with:
ROB
Boyd
Dodson or other drafted ruck

I really think Boyd could put real pressure on ROB for a starting ruck spot, the guy is very strong and is quite mobile and give him an AFL preseason and i think could do a real job for us.