Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

Spoiler: Older Rumors

Rumor summary September 30

• Cal Twomey confirms we are interested in James Peatling (link)
• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
  9

  Rory Sloane

  Age

  34

  Ht

  183cm

  Wt

  87kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  23.7

  5star

  K

  11.7

  4star

  HB

  11.9

  5star

  M

  3.5

  4star

  T

  6.6

  5star

  CL

  5.7

  5star

  D

  15.3

  4star

  K

  7.3

  3star

  HB

  8.0

  4star

  M

  1.3

  1star

  T

  3.3

  4star

  CL

  4.2

  5star

  D

  22.2

  5star

  K

  8.6

  4star

  HB

  13.6

  5star

  M

  3.2

  4star

  T

  6.0

  5star

  CL

  4.6

  5star

  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
  13

  Clayton Oliver

  Age

  27

  Ht

  189cm

  Wt

  88kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  27.8

  5star

  K

  9.5

  4star

  HB

  18.4

  5star

  M

  3.2

  3star

  T

  6.3

  5star

  CL

  6.3

  5star

  D

  25.1

  5star

  K

  11.1

  4star

  HB

  14.0

  5star

  M

  3.6

  4star

  T

  5.6

  5star

  CL

  5.9

  5star

  D

  19.2

  5star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  14.6

  5star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  4.4

  5star

  CL

  3.8

  5star

  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumor summary October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
  32

  Darcy Fogarty

  Age

  25

  Ht

  194cm

  Wt

  100kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  8.5

  2star

  K

  5.7

  2star

  HB

  2.8

  2star

  M

  3.7

  4star

  T

  1.7

  4star

  G

  1.2

  4star

  D

  6.3

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.3

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.3

  3star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  8.0

  2star

  K

  5.4

  2star

  HB

  2.6

  3star

  M

  3.4

  4star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)
• Tom Morris claims the race for Peatling is down to GWS, Adelaide or a Victorian club (link)

Rumor summary October 2

• Ricciuto claims we will announce a director of coaching this week (link)
• GWS have upped their offer for Peatling to four years (link)
• Twomey claims the Peatling decision is down to Adelaide, GWS and Western Bulldogs (link)
• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)
• Kymbo says the Peatling decision is down to Adelaide or GWS (link)
• Poster claims Peatling has decided to stay in Sydney (link)
• Poster claims our offer for Peatling is the best in terms of dollars by far (link)
• We've landed Murray Davis from the Brisbane Lions as coaching director (link)

Rumor summary October 3

• Free agency lodgements for Cumming to Adelaide and Himmelberg to Gold Coast will go through tomorrow (link)
• James Peatling has chosen Adelaide (link)

Rumor summary October 4 and 5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

 

[Danger in Texas]

Aren’t we currently on 35 main/3 Rookie A list players (Borlace, Keane & Toby M) - hence have we currently have 3 main list and 3 RL vacancies. ANB and Peatling trades will make us 37/3.

Hence will need to delist 2 contracted players on the promise of re-Rookie listing them (but it would be better if someone else picked them up) to have the 3 compulsory draft vacancies. Best bets for downgrade are Burgess, Schoenberg, Strachan & Smith all of whom are out of contract in 2025.

Hence we can potentially have 3 picks (Pick 4, ???, Welsh) in the main draft and 1 rookie/SSP pick.

The same clogged-list shitshow will occur again next year as several potential delistings (Laird, Jones, Scholl, Cook, Pedlar, etc) are all contracted for 2026.

We don’t have 38/6, we (and all clubs) have 38/4

 

[Crow_68]

I think we'd move 4 for 6 and a future first if Richmond has pick 6

Pick 6.......

 

[1970crow]

Aren’t we currently on 35 main/3 Rookie A list players (Borlace, Keane & Toby M) - hence have we currently have 3 main list and 3 RL vacancies. ANB and Peatling trades will make us 37/3.

Hence will need to delist 2 contracted players on the promise of re-Rookie listing them (but it would be better if someone else picked them up) to have the 3 compulsory draft vacancies. Best bets for downgrade are Burgess, Schoenberg, Strachan & Smith all of whom are out of contract in 2025.

Hence we can potentially have 3 picks (Pick 4, ???, Welsh) in the main draft and 1 rookie/SSP pick.

The same clogged-list shitshow will occur again next year as several potential delistings (Laird, Jones, Scholl, Cook, Pedlar, etc) are all contracted for 2026.

We've got a decent list of out of contract players to delist or move on next year. Tex, Smith, Schoey, Murphy, Burgess, Crouch, Milera.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I think we'd move 4 for 6 and a future first if Richmond has pick 6

I'd jump at that. No way Richmond trade their future first though.

 

[George Kramer]

Pick 6.......

But it becomes pick 7 once Ashcroft is matched

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Aren’t we currently on 35 main/3 Rookie A list players (Borlace, Keane & Toby M) - hence have we currently have 3 main list and 3 RL vacancies. ANB and Peatling trades will make us 37/3.

Hence will need to delist 2 contracted players on the promise of re-Rookie listing them (but it would be better if someone else picked them up) to have the 3 compulsory draft vacancies. Best bets for downgrade are Burgess, Schoenberg, Strachan & Smith all of whom are out of contract in 2025.

Hence we can potentially have 3 picks (Pick 4, ???, Welsh) in the main draft and 1 rookie/SSP pick.

The same clogged-list shitshow will occur again next year as several potential delistings (Laird, Jones, Scholl, Cook, Pedlar, etc) are all contracted for 2026.

I believe we started the season with 37/5.

After delisting and FA exits, we’re at 33/3.

After Trade & fa we have 36/3.

 

[crow2crow]

Spoiler: Older Rumors

Rumor summary September 30

• Cal Twomey confirms we are interested in James Peatling (link)
• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumor summary October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)
• Tom Morris claims the race for Peatling is down to GWS, Adelaide or a Victorian club (link)

Rumor summary October 2

• Ricciuto claims we will announce a director of coaching this week (link)
• GWS have upped their offer for Peatling to four years (link)
• Twomey claims the Peatling decision is down to Adelaide, GWS and Western Bulldogs (link)
• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)
• Kymbo says the Peatling decision is down to Adelaide or GWS (link)
• Poster claims Peatling has decided to stay in Sydney (link)
• Poster claims our offer for Peatling is the best in terms of dollars by far (link)
• We've landed Murray Davis from the Brisbane Lions as coaching director (link)

Rumor summary October 3

• Free agency lodgements for Cumming to Adelaide and Himmelberg to Gold Coast will go through tomorrow (link)
• James Peatling has chosen Adelaide (link)

Rumor summary October 4 and 5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Tell him he's dreaming

 

[spenze]

Pick 6.......

At least we are OK for KPDs but I'm sure there is some Tasmanian that Hamish has a sly half mongrel for

 

[Crow_68]

We've got a decent list of out of contract players to delist or move on next year. Tex, Smith, Schoey, Murphy, Burgess, Crouch, Milera.

ROB, Strachan...

 

[spenze]

I'd jump at that. No way Richmond trade their future first though.

Yeah given where Richmond are at they might do a swap of firsts next year if they absolutely had to move up from 6.

I'd still do that too, real chance at Sharp

 

[1970crow]

ROB, Strachan...

I didn't count them because they'll need to be replaced like for like.

 

[crow2crow]

We've got a decent list of out of contract players to delist or move on next year. Tex, Smith, Schoey, Murphy, Burgess, Crouch, Milera.

Not crouch and milera the others I agree. And definitely strachan gone too.

 

[Vader]

Aren’t we currently on 35 main/3 Rookie A list players (Borlace, Keane & Toby M) - hence have we currently have 3 main list and 3 RL vacancies. ANB and Peatling trades will make us 37/3.

Hence will need to delist 2 contracted players on the promise of re-Rookie listing them (but it would be better if someone else picked them up) to have the 3 compulsory draft vacancies. Best bets for downgrade are Burgess, Schoenberg, Strachan & Smith all of whom are out of contract in 2025.

Hence we can potentially have 3 picks (Pick 4, ???, Welsh) in the main draft and 1 rookie/SSP pick.

The same clogged-list shitshow will occur again next year as several potential delistings (Laird, Jones, Scholl, Cook, Pedlar, etc) are all contracted for 2026.

We're currently at 37+3, including ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

Transferring 2 players to the rookie list, and Keane to the senior list, leaves us at 36+4.

That's 2 picks in the ND, and no live picks in the RD.

The only way to increase the number of picks now is to trade or delist a contracted player. Silvers has stated that they are not expecting that to happen.

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[1970crow]

Not crouch and milera the others I agree. And definitely strachan gone too.

Strachan will be replaced by another backup or developing ruck. Agree they'll keep those 2, hopefully on 1 year deals though. We've got plenty of mids we need to cycle through and Milera will struggle to make our back 7. 3 talls, Hinge, Cumming, Nank and Max is already 7. Not sure a fully fit Milera should play ahead of any of them.

 

[crow2crow]

Strachan will be replaced by another backup or developing ruck. Agree they'll keep those 2, hopefully on 1 year deals though. We've got plenty of mids we need to cycle through and Milera will struggle to make our back 7. 3 talls, Hinge, Cumming, Nank and Max is already 7. Not sure a fully fit Milera should play ahead of any of them.

very hard to know til we see if milera can actually move laterally still after this injury because thats his game right there basically

if he ok hes best 23 imo
if he is slow, or cant move laterally he will be stuffed unfortunately

 

[Vader]

I believe we started the season with 37/5.

After delisting and FA exits, we’re at 33/3.

After Trade & fa we have 36/3.

We started the season at 38+4 (Senior + Cat A Rookie). Turray made it 38+5 after the MSD, with Sloane having been placed on the Inactive List.

** Plus Gallagher on the Cat B rookie list.

We are permitted a maximum of 42 players across both lists. We can choose between 38+4, 37+5, or 36+6, but we can't have more than 38 players on the Senior List.

We will be bringing it ANB, Peatling and Cumming, delisting 2 contracted players, and upgrading a rookie (most likely Keane).

These moves will leave us at 36+2, but we will be committed to filling the 2 Cat A rookie list positions by re-drafting the contracted players we delisted.

We will then make 2 live selections in the ND, and re-draft the 2 delisted contracted players in the RD.

There are no options for making a 3rd pick in the ND, unless we trade or delist a contracted player, or if someone signs one of our delisted contracted players.

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[Mr MysteryGuest]

We're currently at 37+3, including ANB/Cumming/Peatling.

Transferring 2 players to the rookie list, and Keane to the senior list, leaves us at 36+4.

That's 2 picks in the ND, and no live picks in the RD.

The only way to increase the number of picks now is to trade or delist a contracted player. Silvers has stated that they are not expecting that to happen.

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Do we have to move Keane the main list?

 

[1970crow]

very hard to know til we see if milera can actually move laterally still after this injury because thats his game right there basically

if he ok hes best 23 imo
if he is slow, or cant move laterally he will be stuffed unfortunately

So which of the 7 defenders listed does he dislodge from the 22? Plus Laird, who I don't think belongs but will likely play.

 

[Vader]

Do we have to move Keane the main list?

We have to move 1 of Keane or Borlase, and it's most likely to be Keane.

Upgrading a rookie decreases the number of ND selections we need to make. Given that we only have 2 list vacancies available, we have no choice but to effectively have Keane swap places with a contracted player currently on the senior list.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

We have to move 1 of Keane or Borlase, and it's most likely to be Keane.

Upgrading a rookie decreases the number of ND selections we need to make. Given that we only have 2 list vacancies available, we have no choice but to effectively have Keane swap places with a contracted player currently on the senior list.

I assume it will be Burgess and Schoenberg who we move

 

[Rags_118]

We don’t have 38/6, we (and all clubs) have 38/4

Thanks for reminding me … hence we need to trade 1-2 out as well as 1-2 main list rookie downgrades …. With the option of a possible forced rookie upgrade.

Jeez, it doesn’t leave any scope for speculative rookie picks that we once did quite well

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

I assume it will be Burgess and Schoenberg who we move

Which would you move out of those two? Would be good to move them both on, but get the feeling we move on Schoenberg considering our tall stock is a bit meh.

 

[Vader]

I believe we started the season with 37/5.

After delisting and FA exits, we’re at 33/3.

After Trade & fa we have 36/3.

I suspect your list mathematics was a bit confused by the inclusion of Gallagher, and the addition of Turray in the MSD.

Gallagher is a Cat B rookie. We're allowed up to 2 Cat B rookies, in addition to our normal quota of senior & Cat A rookie list players. Effectively, we started the season at 38+4+1. We usually don't include him in the list mathematics, because Cat B rookies don't count towards the limit of 42 players.

The other factor is the ability to put players on the Inactive List, and to replace them via the PSSP or MSD. Once a player has been placed on the Inactive List they can't be selected at AFL level for the rest of the season. Thus it is only used for players who have retired, or suffered season-ending injuries. Players can only be placed on the Inactive List AFTER the drafts, so their replacements can only come via the PSSP or MSD. Their replacements potentially take the playing list numbers over the 42 player limit, and need to be included in any list mathematics when it comes to bringing list sizes back down again at the end of the season.

We started the season at 38+4+1. We then placed Sloane on the Inactive List, selecting Turray in the MSD. This took our list to 38+5+1, which is where it was at the end of the season.

 

[Vader]

I assume it will be Burgess and Schoenberg who we move

The most likely candidates appear to be Smith, Burgess, Schoenberg and Strachan. Probably not Strachan, as we'd be royally screwed if someone signed him as a DFA, leaving us with just ROB/Turray/Thilthorpe as our ruck options for the entire season.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I suspect your list mathematics was a bit confused by the inclusion of Gallagher, and the addition of Turray in the MSD.

Gallagher is a Cat B rookie. We're allowed up to 2 Cat B rookies, in addition to our normal quota of senior & Cat A rookie list players. Effectively, we started the season at 38+4+1. We usually don't include him in the list mathematics, because Cat B rookies don't count towards the limit of 42 players.

The other factor is the ability to put players on the Inactive List, and to replace them via the PSSP or MSD. Once a player has been placed on the Inactive List they can't be selected at AFL level for the rest of the season. Thus it is only used for players who have retired, or suffered season-ending injuries. Players can only be placed on the Inactive List AFTER the drafts, so their replacements can only come via the PSSP or MSD. Their replacements potentially take the playing list numbers over the 42 player limit, and need to be included in any list mathematics when it comes to bringing list sizes back down again at the end of the season.

We started the season at 38+4+1. We then placed Sloane on the Inactive List, selecting Turray in the MSD. This took our list to 38+5+1, which is where it was at the end of the season.

nah I think was counting Sloane retirement/delisting twice