Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

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Rumors from September 30

• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
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  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
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  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumors from October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
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  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)

Rumors from October 2-3

• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)

Rumors from October 4-5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumors from October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Rumor summary October 8

• Jon Ralph claims we are not prepared to use a future 2nd on Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 9

• Graham Wright will not join Adelaide, instead taking up the Carlton CEO role (link)
• Tom Morris claims the Peatling trade will involve future 2nd and 3rd round picks, and we have offered him a four year deal at about $600k per season (link)
• Riley Beveridge claims we asked GWS if they were interested in one of our players in the Peatling trade (link)

Rumor summary October 10

• Collingwood are interested in Justin Reid as their new head of football (link)
• GWS want our future 2nd and pick 46 for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 11

• Poster claims we are attempting to lure Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, maybe in 2025 (link)
• Tom Morris claims we will do the Peatling deal for pick 46 and a future 2nd provided there are other late pick swaps (link)

Rumor summary October 13

• Tom Morris suggests we have offered a trade involving a swap of future 2nds for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 15

• After West Coast got absolutely rogered, Cal Twomey claims we have offered either two future 3rds for Peatling, or a swap of 2nds and a future 3rd (link)
• We have interest in Sam Davidson from Richmond VFL (link)
• Mitch Cleary claims some GWS players are facing suspensions from the AFL due to behaviour at an end of season event (link)
• Brett Montgomery is staying at GWS, meaning we were unsuccessful at luring him (link)

Rumor summary October 16

• Stalemate on the Peatling trade as of 4pm, with us threatening to send him to the PSD (link)

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Sam Berry is being shopped.

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I hate that I can't immediately disregard a rumour like that.

 

[George Kramer]

He is part of a group responsible for the governance of the club.

Boards aren't operational. You're right though, in that they're collectively responsible for recruiting the executive level staff who are.

Roo is only one vote on the board - though I'd agree with those who suspect he probably has a lot of influence on board-level football decisions.

He also sits on list management committee and in committees recruiting key personnel like our underperforming coach.

 

[Mostyn]

Mark Ricciuto was on the hiring panel that selected Matthew Nicks:

Club statement: Coach recruitment panel

Adelaide has appointed a four-person panel

www.afc.com.au

Nicks did transform the culture of the club.

He won't survive, but I think he's largely done what he was hired to do, and when he leaves the Crows he'll immediately find work elsewhere.

We also don't know to what degree Roo was involved in the hiring of Burton. On a board level, he could have declared his conflict of interest and not participated in that decision.

I mean, the board would still know his position so he'd still hold massive influence, but we don't necessarily know the process.

 

[Mostyn]

I asked what he did wrong EXACTLY. I got nothing.

I suggest you stick to sexual amusing quips.

I like your passion for the points you're making.

Roo actually has a lot of the relationship and business skills you want in a board member.

But he's run his race as the football department rep on the board - that responsibility needs to be rotated to a new set of eyes.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Oh so when you’ve referred to him as a club legend it’s just his playing career and you can’t provide anything positive he’s done as football director, get it.

Ok I’ll ask it another way, whilst he’s been football director, have we finished bottom, did he say to back the club management in or support another club, then we had an external review where we changed management and finished out of the finals 7 years running?

Yes, along with many others. We also had a promising coach pass away, made a Grand Final and got raided by other teams for our best players in that time.

 

[George Kramer]

Nicks did transform the culture of the club.

He won't survive, but I think he's largely done what he was hired to do, and when he leaves the Crows he'll immediately find work elsewhere.

We also don't know to what degree Roo was involved in the hiring of Burton. On a board level, he could have declared his conflict of interest and not participated in that decision.

I mean, the board would still know his position so he'd still hold massive influence, but we don't necessarily know the process.

Culture has been transformed but we’ve still got entitled senior players and a coach that takes no responsibility.

He was also employed to coach to get results and he’s shit at that.

 

[Mostyn]

It’s almost as if people blame the people running the club for the poor performance of the club.

Some of it is ridiculous, though.

We're five years into a 5+ years rebuild. We SHOULD have finished near the bottom of the table. People seem to want to blame Roo for us winning the wooden spoon, but also complain that we didn't bottom out further.

It is genuinely all about what happens next year. THAT'S the barometer. It will tell us everything about whether we're on the right path or drastic change needs to happen.

 

[George Kramer]

Yes, along with many others. We also had a promising coach pass away, made a Grand Final and got raided by other teams for our best players in that time.

So his club legend status is only football related, thanks for confirming.

One Grand Final capitulation v a wooden spoon and 7 years without finals, hmm.

Clubs best players got raised, lol, you know he’s on list management and has an influence on players contracts and retention? He’s talked about it on MMM if you’re unsure.

As football director, what’s his area of responsibility?

 

[Mostyn]

No, you were provided evidence, which you ignored

To be fair, you said they were one participant in a group making key decisions at the club.

He was asking for particular things that we have evidence Roo as an individual has done and should be blamed for. I'm not sure how we offer that, other than the things Roo has publicly said on the radio.

 

[George Kramer]

Some of it is ridiculous, though.

We're five years into a 5+ years rebuild. We SHOULD have finished near the bottom of the table. People seem to want to blame Roo for us winning the wooden spoon, but also complain that we didn't bottom out further.

It is genuinely all about what happens next year. THAT'S the barometer. It will tell us everything about whether we're on the right path or drastic change needs to happen.

We weren’t in full rebuild mode when we finished bottom, we went into full rebuild mode because we finished bottom.

 

[George Kramer]

To be fair, you said they were one participant in a group making key decisions at the club.

He was asking for particular things that we have evidence Roo as an individual has done and should be blamed for. I'm not sure how we offer that, other than the things Roo has publicly said on the radio.

What’s his role at the club?

 

[Mostyn]

Im no fan of roo as many will remember, but I don’t think he has as much say on things as many in here think he does.

Every board I've even experienced, the Chair has far more influence with senior level staff and decisions than any other board member.

That being said, I've never known boards that have Brownlow Medallists on them.

Personally, I suspect that Roo does far less than we think, because he's busy and a lot of board work is grunt work. He would only have time for a passing involvement - though I'm sure his opinions would hold greater weight than that.

 

[Hodgy]

Nicks did transform the culture of the club.

He won't survive, but I think he's largely done what he was hired to do, and when he leaves the Crows he'll immediately find work elsewhere.

We also don't know to what degree Roo was involved in the hiring of Burton. On a board level, he could have declared his conflict of interest and not participated in that decision.

I mean, the board would still know his position so he'd still hold massive influence, but we don't necessarily know the process.

I agree with all of this. The issue we have being AFL owned is that our board is not made up of football people, and therefore it’s very easy to imagine that they place a certain level of trust and influence in Roo and his opinions. For those who have never been on a board of directors, you cover so many areas (in this case membership, financials, AFLW, match day logistics, hospitality etc etc.) that it can be a relief when you get to an area that one director has a high level of proficiency in. It’s also quite intimidating to question issues in front of everyone if you don’t have the technical knowledge to back it up.

It would be a much more effective board in my opinion if it was predominantly made up of football people who could have healthy and informed debate.

 

[BunjiMac]

Nicks did transform the culture of the club.

He won't survive, but I think he's largely done what he was hired to do, and when he leaves the Crows he'll immediately find work elsewhere.

We also don't know to what degree Roo was involved in the hiring of Burton. On a board level, he could have declared his conflict of interest and not participated in that decision.

I mean, the board would still know his position so he'd still hold massive influence, but we don't necessarily know the process.

Did he?

Culture is not the "feels" it's how your organisation operates in reality. It's what people say about your organisation when you're not in the room.

Id argue our culture has a very long way to go.

Nicks has been friendlier and nicer to the players and they like him as a person and get along.

The culture hasn't moved that much.

 

[Mostyn]

A bit over dramatic. We were much more involved in wooing ANB than what has been reported in the media. Not just a simple case of wanting to get home

And I would bet good money our first won’t be impacted - we will get extra points out of the Peatling trade. But keep finding as many negatives as possible - even those that are just made up


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If there is a bid for Welsh in the second round and we go into deficit, and we don't have a second round pick in 2025 - I'm almost 100% sure it gets deducted from our 3rd round pick.

I've never seen anything that contradicts that.

 

[Mostyn]

Boards almost always discuss key decisions and importantly invite the expert to provide their opinion.

If they are looking at a legal matter they will invite the board member with the legal background to proved their opinion. Everyone has a right to a vote but most often the board will defer to the person who is most qualified and back this persons opinion.

Sometimes there are multiple people with a similar background, most often in finance, and this can lead to healthy debate, however this is discouraged on corporate boards as it is believed a healthy balance of backgrounds (board diversity) leads to better board decisions, as more perspectives are considered.

This is all fine for corporate boards because the one thing all the corporate board members share is that they work in the corporate world and live and breathe corporate issues and challenges, even though they may have different skills and backgrounds.

This is where our board is broken.

We have a football club board made up of corporate/business types with only 1 genuine football voice, Roo. The rest of the board don't understand the challenges of winning a premiership. So even though they come from a diverse background they lack the fundamentals to allow them to assess footballing decisions. They therefore would defer heavily to the only director with a true footballing background and would not have the understanding to question the footballing decisions.

This is completely different to the corporate boards where the majority have a grounding in the corporate and business world and can question decisions with confidence.

It is therefore absolutely fair to suggest that key footballing decisions have been led by Roo and the culture of the footballing organisation is a reflection of Roos mindset as he sets that tone (unquestioned) from the top.

I don't have an issue with Roo perse but it's the lack of genuine football people to question and challenge his views which has led to where we are today.

Is he doing the best he can? Absolutely.

Is he responsible for the key footballing decisions? Absolutely.

You have to step up and take accountability if you are in the role regardless of whether you are doing your best. His decisions no matter how well intended are why we are here today. If he stays we need to supplement the board with more football people.

But I think it's time for him to go.

This is a very fair view.

No matter what your core business is, a board can't only have one person on it with experience in that business (which in our case is onfield footy success).

 

[Samcro24]

Nicks did transform the culture of the club.

By what measure?

 

[Mutineer]

Did he?

Culture is not the "feels" it's how your organisation operates in reality. It's what people say about your organisation when you're not in the room.

Id argue our culture has a very long way to go.

Nicks has been friendlier and nicer to the players and they like him as a person and get along.

The culture hasn't moved that much.

So all these youngsters especially the interstate lads inking new deals doesn't point to a very much improved culture within the playing group?

Nup, I disagree big time.

 

[FR0GGY]

You don't need to sift through the bickering to see what the rumours are - they're all collected in the "rumour summary" section at the top of the page.

That requires you to come on everyday, maybe there needs to be a summery thread not open for replies for those people that don’t come on often.

 

[FR0GGY]

By what measure?

We need proof goddamit

 

[Jarman3]

That requires you to come on everyday, maybe there needs to be a summery thread not open for replies for those people that don’t come on often.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? You don't need to come on every day to see the rumour summary, it's just there whenever you come on. All of the rumours are there in one place, the most recent ones are there right away, you have to click the "spoiler: older rumours" button just above them to see the earlier ones, but they're all there.

 

[MRB37]

Bit in the paper today about Justin Reid.

Pies went Danny Daly from Brisbane first, then Chris Davies from Port for their head of footy role. Both turned the Pies down so they've gone to Reid as one of the next options.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? You don't need to come on every day to see the rumour summary, it's just there whenever you come on. All of the rumours are there in one place, the most recent ones are there right away, you have to click the "spoiler: older rumours" button just above them to see the earlier ones, but they're all there.

He just means so fools like the majority of us dont derail it with off topic conversations.

 

[Shifty Crow]

Bit in the paper today about Justin Reid.

Pies went Danny Daly from Brisbane first, then Chris Davies from Port for their head of footy role. Both turned the Pies down so they've gone to Reid as one of the next options.

Who ever takes the role will have challenges.

I don’t believe Collingwood are that stable and aligned off the field.




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[adelaidecrows]

By what measure?

He changed the on field playing culture. We fight out games a lot more now than what we did probably for the 20 years before that. So many times teams used to get a run on and wed blow a lead and end up losing by 5 goals. Now we may blow a lead but we fight it out.

But culture changes all the time and what was made in 2020-2023 can be easily undone by poor leadership and coaching and id have to say, this year demonstrated perhaps our newly found playing culture can disappear.