Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Crow till I die]

What are the main negative traits you see in him?

Not winning many games after 5 years in charge?

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Ok, maybe an exaggeration but he clearly is not the greatest judge of players.

Even this year he kept picking Hamill despite Hamill himself knowing he wasn't getting another contract.

Carlton also just moved on a midfielder that played every game, finished 10th in the B&F and was best clubman. List management and coaches aren't always aligned for whatever reason. Nicks did drop Hamill a couple of times after games where he played decent and then he didn't get a look in once Bond secured his spot, the writing was on the wall then.

 

[cleanhands]

 

[George Kramer]

Carlton also just moved on a midfielder that played every game, finished 10th in the B&F and was best clubman. List management and coaches aren't always aligned for whatever reason. Nicks did drop Hamill a couple of times after games where he played decent and then he didn't get a look in once Bond secured his spot, the writing was on the wall then.

So?

Did Voss get a cooked player to a trigger, drop him and then hamper list management.

Also staggers me why you feel the need to even try and defend Nicks, can you explain by besides being a club employee? I’m pretty sure you’ve even bagged him during the year, so feeling guilty or disloyal?

 

[adelaidecrows]

So?

Did Voss get a cooked player to a trigger, drop him and then hamper list management.

Also staggers me why you feel the need to even try and defend Nicks, can you explain by besides being a club employee? I’m pretty sure you’ve even bagged him during the year, so feeling guilty or disloyal?

Cmon man, we both arent a fan of Nicks but I disagree on this. Yes Smith was out of form but a coach, any coach is not going to refuse to select a player they want to because of a contract trigger on next year. If anything, he should never have had the trigger in the contract in the first place, thats dumb list management with older players.

We did have injuries and he had to play players he didnt want to. He had no interest in playing Dowling, Taylor and Curtin at all. The selection of Smith on the trigger is less than an issue on playing a sub par mediocre Murphy who his very selection lost us games. The Geelong game where he disappeared for a quarter during the time we needed everyone to stand up is galling. Yet he kept getting selected. That is by far worse than the selection of Smith. He at least held smith to some sort of a standard by dropping him.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Carlton also just moved on a midfielder that played every game, finished 10th in the B&F and was best clubman. List management and coaches aren't always aligned for whatever reason. Nicks did drop Hamill a couple of times after games where he played decent and then he didn't get a look in once Bond secured his spot, the writing was on the wall then.

Hamill is a decent player but he is your run off defender not a lock down defender which is what we need to help balance the side.

 

[jackster83]

Cmon man, we both arent a fan of Nicks but I disagree on this. Yes Smith was out of form but a coach, any coach is not going to refuse to select a player they want to because of a contract trigger on next year. If anything, he should never have had the trigger in the contract in the first place, thats dumb list management with older players.

We did have injuries and he had to play players he didnt want to. He had no interest in playing Dowling, Taylor and Curtin at all. The selection of Smith on the trigger is less than an issue on playing a sub par mediocre Murphy who his very selection lost us games. The Geelong game where he disappeared for a quarter during the time we needed everyone to stand up is galling. Yet he kept getting selected. That is by far worse than the selection of Smith. He at least held smith to some sort of a standard by dropping him.

It feels like he picks his 25 man squad in the preseason but then when it goes to shit, he panics and throws darts at the board.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It feels like he picks his 25 man squad in the preseason but then when it goes to shit, he panics and throws darts at the board.

he has a different way of selecting players thats for sure.

Nicks way of selecting
1. Genuine Stars
2. Feel good PR selection of a young star from game 1 unless they need to learn deep defense first.
3. Experience
4. Mature bodies
5. non statistical shape runners
6. young players knocking the door down for games and needing AFL development.

In search of finals the selection list only goes so far as the first 5.

 

[George Kramer]

Cmon man, we both arent a fan of Nicks but I disagree on this. Yes Smith was out of form but a coach, any coach is not going to refuse to select a player they want to because of a contract trigger on next year. If anything, he should never have had the trigger in the contract in the first place, thats dumb list management with older players.

We did have injuries and he had to play players he didnt want to. He had no interest in playing Dowling, Taylor and Curtin at all. The selection of Smith on the trigger is less than an issue on playing a sub par mediocre Murphy who his very selection lost us games. The Geelong game where he disappeared for a quarter during the time we needed everyone to stand up is galling. Yet he kept getting selected. That is by far worse than the selection of Smith. He at least held smith to some sort of a standard by dropping him.

The issue is his judgement. He played an out of form Smith whilst we didn’t have that many injuries. Eventually he had to relent because his form was that bad, by then it was too late he hit his trigger. If he saw what everyone else saw, he wouldn’t have kept playing Smith. Smith hitting his trigger is a by product of Nicks having shit for brains and being slow to catch up.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

So?

Did Voss get a cooked player to a trigger, drop him and then hamper list management.

Also staggers me why you feel the need to even try and defend Nicks, can you explain by besides being a club employee? I’m pretty sure you’ve even bagged him during the year, so feeling guilty or disloyal?

I didn't defend him, just pointed out that coaches for whatever reason sometimes play guys that list management don't want. Wasn't a defence of Nicks haha

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Hamill is a decent player but he is your run off defender not a lock down defender which is what we need to help balance the side.

I was at the MCG when he did a brilliant lockdown role on Bobby Hill, one of the most dangerous small forwards in the comp. He's good enough to be on an AFL list, but I get that with his concussion history and Bond showing some promising signs late in the season that he was surplus to needs. If Bond doesn't show that late season form, I think he's the one delisted and Hamill remains.

 

[George Kramer]

I didn't defend him, just pointed out that coaches for whatever reason sometimes play guys that list management don't want. Wasn't a defence of Nicks haha

lol I didn’t defend him but “hey look he’s not the only one”.

Cmon, what was the point of your post if it wasn’t to lessen criticism of Nicks?

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

lol I didn’t defend him but “hey look he’s not the only one”.

Cmon, what was the point of your post if it wasn’t to lessen criticism of Nicks?

I just responded to a post and provided an example of it happening elsewhere, that's it. Eagles just delisted Witherden after playing him most games for 3 years too. Bond's late season form changed the clubs opinion on Hamill imo, I reckon he would've been given another 1 year deal otherwise. Hope he finds a gig elsewhere.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Whether you’re being serious or trying to be funny, wtf are you on about

My simple point is that you can’t get everything.

We could keep all our picks and fail to trade in any best 22 players (like last year).

1) If we want to attract high quality free agents then we don’t need draft picks but we do need to pay them more than other teams (e.g. Cumming).

2) If we are seeking to trade in quality players then we have to pay them handsomely and it will cost us good draft picks.

I am amused that some posters who complained last year that we didn’t add to our best 22 then complained this year that whilst we have brought in three best 22 players via free agency/trade it has cost us our 2nd and 3rd draft pick this year.

Haters are gunna hate, I guess.

 

[crow2crow]

lots of great arguments tonight between all the married couples on here

 

[adelaidecrows]

I was at the MCG when he did a brilliant lockdown role on Bobby Hill, one of the most dangerous small forwards in the comp. He's good enough to be on an AFL list, but I get that with his concussion history and Bond showing some promising signs late in the season that he was surplus to needs. If Bond doesn't show that late season form, I think he's the one delisted and Hamill remains.

Our depth of defenders is to a point now that players can be seen as surplus to needs more so than being a poor performer. His concussion issues may have prevented him from finding a home for now but it wouldnt surprise me to see him pop on a list again. A club that could probably benefit is Port funnily enough.

 

[George Kramer]

My simple point is that you can’t get everything.

We could keep all our picks and fail to trade in any best 22 players (like last year).

1) If we want to attract high quality free agents then we don’t need draft picks but we do need to pay them more than other teams (e.g. Cumming).

2) If we are seeking to trade in quality players then we have to pay them handsomely and it will cost us good draft picks.

I am amused that some posters who complained last year that we didn’t add to our best 22 then complained this year that whilst we have brought in three best 22 players via free agency/trade it has cost us our 2nd and 3rd draft pick this year.

Haters are gunna hate, I guess.

Yes you are simple, I’ll give you that.

Guess you missed where I rated the trade period a B+ but not an A because we failed to address our ruck position where we are stuck with a ruck we’ve dropped 2 years running and basically have zero options on our list to replace him.

But of course that’s beyond your level of understanding so you create a bullshit post amusingly thinking you’re being clever.

 

[Crow till I die]

Our depth of defenders is to a point now that players can be seen as surplus to needs more so than being a poor performer. His concussion issues may have prevented him from finding a home for now but it wouldnt surprise me to see him pop on a list again. A club that could probably benefit is Port funnily enough.

For his own well being, really should hang up the boots and ensure the years ahead are as good as possible. Lots to live for outside of footy although at the time it can be hard to see that when your time playing is coming to an end

 

[adelaidecrows]

For his own well being, really should hang up the boots and ensure the years ahead are as good as possible. Lots to live for outside of footy although at the time it can be hard to see that when your time playing is coming to an end

We werent privy to the conversation around Hamills delisting but maybe the club did say they arent offering him a new contract because of his concussion issues and they feel he should look after himself and think about life beyond footy.

 

[jackster83]

Yes you are simple, I’ll give you that.

Guess you missed where I rated the trade period a B+ but not an A because we failed to address our ruck position where we are stuck with a ruck we’ve dropped 2 years running and basically have zero options on our list to replace him.

But of course that’s beyond your level of understanding so you create a bullshit post amusingly thinking you’re being clever.

Not even the posters who'd usually fall for a Firepower scam fell for that attempt at a troll.

 

[George Kramer]

Not even the posters who'd usually fall for a Firepower scam fell for that attempt at a troll.

Jacks the type of poster who if we have a decent 2025 will point to that as proof that we were wrong during 2018-2024.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Yes you are simple, I’ll give you that.

Guess you missed where I rated the trade period a B+ but not an A because we failed to address our ruck position where we are stuck with a ruck we’ve dropped 2 years running and basically have zero options on our list to replace him.

But of course that’s beyond your level of understanding so you create a bullshit post amusingly thinking you’re being clever.

This has been one area that I have been bewilded by. It seems like we are waiting for one to fall in our lap in a draft more than us being proactive.

 

[BRL121]

I’ve enjoyed your podcast up until now. See ya

So, you're cancelling him because he expresses his opinions: pathetic!

 

[cleanhands]

Oh o the principle has got the cane out

 

[feenix67]

So, you're cancelling him because he expresses his opinions: pathetic!

I mean, if ever there was a post that illustrated my entire point on moral outrage...