Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 25, last 28th August)

[1970crow]

They were very vocal about him not being a midfielder, were they?

"The Crows are set to not only use him as a forward but also plan to unleash him in the midfield."

He’s Crow-ing home: Deal for Suns star Izak Rankine done as key trade details revealed

He’s Crow-ing home: Deal for Suns star done as key trade details revealed

www.foxsports.com.au

LITERALLY the very day we traded for him, FFS.

We gave up pick 5 for someone who is close to our best player. That's the kind of trade you SHOULD do.

That's not what a dearly departed and highly respected poster Kristof said though. He was very strong on 5 being waaaaay too much for a player like Rankine.

 

[johnnypanther]

Petty - No, just no. Jesus hasn't anyone been watching.

I've been watching - just rarely seen him

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

This is the finishing position for the teams Burns has coached. As an assistant he’s not entirely to blame but this is not a great record.

West Coast:
2008 - 15th
2009 - 11th
2010 - 16th
2011 - 4th
2012 - 5th
2013 - 13th

Collingwood:
2014 - 11th
2015 - 12th
2016 - 12th
2017 - 13th

Hawthorn:
2018 - 4th
2019 - 9th
2020 - 15th

Adelaide:
2021 - 15th
2022 - 14th
2023 - 10th

I don't think Burns would've been coaching West Coast in 2008, given he was still playing at Collingwood.

Dreadful record though, and every other team has seen pretty immediate improvement after he left (though that doesn't necessarily mean that he was the problem).

 

[Mostyn]

That's not a club quote though, but confirms they never saw him as a permanent midfielder.

You can go back to 2023 with them talking about Rankine in the middle, they were never planning him to be a full time mid and even when they talked about it they showed very little desire to actually put it in action.



They then went and gave Tyler Brown more midfield time in 2023 than Rankine.


That was about the best they could muster this pre-season on him. It wasn't until he went 0-4 that hey finally relented on him in there. And that last 2 weeks before they cut his numbers way back down again because most of the minutes go to Crouch, Laird, Dawson and Soligo.

They've always planned for him to be a supplemental piece of the midfield who takes some left over minutes, not a prime piece of the midfield group. It's only through sheer desperation they upped his minutes there.

He clearly wasn't physically ready for midfield two or three years ago. He's ready now.

Did they see him as only a midfielder? No, I'm sure they could see how dangerous he was as a forward and wanted to make sure he was impacting there. But clearly midfield has always been in their plans.

 

[Mostyn]

Suggest you re-watch our 1st month of football as obvious game plan change to slow down the play.

We played slow and scared. I don't think that was the coach's direction, because there was zero reason for him to do that. I think it was players being tentative and lacking boldness and conviction.

 

[Mostyn]

I disagree with Berry. I’m not saying he’s going to be in the team in the next few years or he’s going to be a star. But he’s been getting inconsistent opportunities in the team. That game against Carlton has shown he has something imo.

Dowling, I can’t comment as he’s only played the one game.

Pedlar does need to do more to do be a regular that I can agree with. If he can work on his fitness in the offseason along with his disposal I’d like to see him have stints in the midfield next year

I'm really hopeful this year is a wake-up for Pedlar. Maybe he thought it was all just going to happen?

 

[Mostyn]

Change of line coach has hurt us

Going with Burns is a stop gap and not Burns forte - given the rumour about the Collingwood game - along with the eye test of disfunctionality - its not just 2023 Tex going missing , there is some disconnect

Yeah, I think that's fair. Burns shouldn't be senior assistant AND line coach, that's just us being cheap.

The coaching staff leave a massive amount to be desired. It's really lightweight.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We played slow and scared. I don't think that was the coach's direction, because there was zero reason for him to do that. I think it was players being tentative and lacking boldness and conviction.

No, it was from preseason concentrating on improving our defensive side holding on to the ball more... to the expense of quick movement & attacking football.

Even if what you said is true (which it's not), it's on the coach to make changes asap... & he didn't before the season was already over.

 

[bmac84]

I don't think Burns would've been coaching West Coast in 2008, given he was still playing at Collingwood.

Dreadful record though, and every other team has seen pretty immediate improvement after he left (though that doesn't necessarily mean that he was the problem).

You are correct sir, was appointed at the end of 2008, stats updated.

 

[CrowinNT]

Let’s just do this
Smash them all xx

 

[adelaidecrows]

Welsh is unlikely to be a top 20 player, so it's not a massive issue.

Unlike his counter parts who are playing u18s, playing some Sanfl games puts him right up there. Sure he hasn't starred but its two levels above u18s. In the State comp he just kicked 4 goals against Vic Metro. 8 possessions against a team with multiple afl listed players and getting 8 possessions in the Sanfl showdown, man you are a tough judge. I think he is destined to be very highly sought after this draft.

for a 17yo the kids a monster.

 

[Mutineer]

Unlike his counter parts who are playing u18s, playing some Sanfl games puts him right up there. Sure he hasn't starred but its two levels above u18s. In the State comp he just kicked 4 goals against Vic Metro. 8 possessions against a team with multiple afl listed players and getting 8 possessions, man you are a tough judge. I think he is destined to be very highly sought after this draft.

for a 17yo the kids a monster.

How many goals would Tyler Welsh kick if he was playing forward for WWT SANFL instead of the Crows SANFL this year with a team half full of Ammos and getting screwed by the SANFL umpires?

 

[huludicidal]

I'm really hopeful this year is a wake-up for Pedlar. Maybe he thought it was all just going to happen?

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

Taylor was good again in the SANFL by the numbers. And Charlie Edwards led the team in clearances. Some positives there.

Taylor surely has to come in post bye.

 

[GreyCrow]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

I know many were excited to grab him and had high hopes - but they did indeed note his injury history and mostly used the caveat '' if he can stay on the park ''

I was wary but I saw something raw and exciting when he started out and its either snuffed out of him or he has not worked hard enough

I hope you are wrong with your prognosis and he snaps out of it - another one I wonder who had all his natural beaten out of him

 

[Geoffa32]

I know many were excited to grab him and had high hopes - but they did indeed note his injury history and mostly used the caveat '' if he can stay on the park ''

I was wary but I saw something raw and exciting when he started out and its either snuffed out of him or he has not worked hard enough

I hope you are wrong with your prognosis and he snaps out of it - another one I wonder who had all his natural beaten out of him

40 year old shoulders can slow a young bloke down...

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[FullyBigKPro]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

I literally winced reading this....

 

[jackster83]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

We need to give up on Berry and Schoenberg too.

They don't have it. Move on and give other young mids a go.

 

[Mostyn]

Unlike his counter parts who are playing u18s, playing some Sanfl games puts him right up there. Sure he hasn't starred but its two levels above u18s. In the State comp he just kicked 4 goals against Vic Metro. 8 possessions against a team with multiple afl listed players and getting 8 possessions in the Sanfl showdown, man you are a tough judge. I think he is destined to be very highly sought after this draft.

for a 17yo the kids a monster.

Except one of the issues is what someone at tweener size can do at the top level. He's not kicked a single goal yet at the seniors, has he?

He often struggles to get involved in the game, for whatever reason.

The question isn't whether he can beat up on the lower grades - it's will his talent transfer to senior level.

I just can't see a team taking him in the top 20 picks unless he absolutely blows a couple of games open. At the moment, he's probably the third or fourth key forward picked.

 

[Mostyn]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

On the Pedlar piece, he had been absolutely dominant in some junior games in a weird COVID season.

His kicking was considered excellent, and still should be though he makes some ridiculous errors.

There was no version of him lasting to our next pick. GWS were taking him, as were other clubs.

He's miles off a bust, but he absolutely COULD be if his body doesn't improve. He needs resilience, but he also needs to be far more fitter at this level. He has to suck it up and work harder.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Pedlar was a surprising draft selection at the time with his questionable kicking skills and alarming injury history and has shown little to no improvement in any areas of his game in the almost 4 years since. His kicking seems to get progressively worse, regardless of which position on the ground he’s playing. Will be out of the AFL completely within 2-3 years at this rate.

Our complete inability as a club to develop midfield talent is clearly a factor, but it was a Hail Mary pick at the time that did not align with the draft rankings of many pundits at all, and it’s easy to see why. I remember him being in the 50s in the Fox Footy rankings, while RookieMe had him as “3rd round - late” with comments like “may have done enough to get drafted”. Max Holmes would’ve been nice.

Dowling, Taylor and Edwards are the 3 young mids that we should be finding out more about at AFL level. It’s unlikely that all 3 make it, but relentlessly trotting them out in a Mick Godden coached side in the festering shithole of the SANFL alongside amateur top-ups is getting them absolutely nowhere.

Drop Laird. Drop Jones. Play Taylor now. Keep Dowling in the side for the rest of 2024, through the ups and downs. Accept the fact that none of Schoenberg, Pedlar or Berry are ever going to be reliable best 22 AFL players (Berry looks suited to a specialist sub role though). Play Edwards from Round 1 next year and give him a block of games to acclimatise. Draft the absolute best available mid in Rd 1 this year and do not trade the pick for a non-mid under any circumstances. None of these decisions should be remotely difficult. But history shows we won’t do pretty much any of it.

Pedlar/Holmes comparison is a weird one if you do care about those rankings. Both players were listed as 'Bolters' on the draft coverage. RookieMe listed Holmes as a potential late/rookie pick. Cal had Holmes as a surprise pick in the 20s.

The reason you bring up Holmes is he is maybe the only other option taken after Pedlar? Bruhn was not an option, Powell? Gulden at 175cm?

I think Pedlar was the right guy for us.

Pedlar has played 32 SANFL games and 30 AFL games in a tick over 3.5 years. Injury issues overstated?

 

[Scorpus]

Pedlar is another player that would thrive under a better coach

 

[1990crow]

Pedlar is another player that would thrive under a better coach

Is it too late though?

 

[Scorpus]

Is it too late though?

His development has been stunted by the worst coach we've ever had, but it's not all lost

 

[glengowan]

How many goals would Tyler Welsh kick if he was playing forward for WWT SANFL instead of the Crows SANFL this year with a team half full of Ammos and getting screwed by the SANFL umpires?

I don't think he'd be league standard yet. Probably a season in the Reserves.