List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[Blightys Barrel]

Four down, fourteen to go

More clubs than Jack Nicklaus

 

[Mute Point]

Gettable said Clarko had met with Houston in the last few days.

Do we think that if Al got out the guitar & sang Dan a ballad during the catch up that it would help or hinder our chances of landing him??

 

[Blightys Barrel]

The Carlton board has a no comment tally thread called the bluemour files which is a play on rumour.

I’d consider starting one here but I can’t think what clever name to call it.

The Filth Wizard How about: The word on the Arden Street

 

[Rod Stroker]

They keep banging on about how our football department has had no changes. How is this a positive when we have literally gone backwards this year compared to last year?

 

[The Talent Scout]

Huh? I wasn’t being rude.

Hello Jello_B, I understand, I think the notion of pick 2 for Dan is how do I say this, a little bit crazy, your talking about an All Australian player {twice} and a very good player but for one pick off the number one draft pick, I mean your talking Judas, Harley Reid, Jamarra Ugle Hagan. Myself personally, I rate Dan around pick 10/11/12, certainly not pick 2, and even those picks mentioned, some on here would be spewing so we are a little bit defensive at the moment about our pick 2 so even though you were not rude that trade scenario was not of this world, if you know what I mean!

 

[Rod Stroker]

Good to see Tom Campbell survive another day at another club.

would he be the first player to play for 4 Melbourne based clubs?

 

[Rod Stroker]

With the microscope now firmly on Swans players who can't perform when it matters, how Francis will now be given another year is truly astonishing. He was beyond useless in the few games he played this year.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Can we get Lewis Mellican from Sydney as well?

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We tried last year but he said no!

 

[The Talent Scout]

It’s Tom Hawkins!

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Kallan Dawson?

 

[Tas]

Nah what you should try is actually backing up your sentiment with evidence.

One things for sure is that he has a better kicking action than most ruckmen. That’s obvious.

Exhibit B would be some of the other mids in the comp who blatantly hack the footy worse than Luke. Examples would include: Oliver, Treloar, Adams, Serong, Anderson, Caldwell, etc.

Luke was hit and miss this year, but has some absolute beauties in his locker based on what I’ve seen in his career.

The irony is that you are comparing him to the worst kicks in the competition who also play midfield, it isn't a ringing endorsement that he is in this group. Most of these guys also play more inside than LDU.

I don't think LDU is a bad kick, he is just shithouse when he goes inside 50 and he doesn't do the heavy lifting defensively so I expect him to have a lot more polish going forward. Why doesn't he kick more goals? He should have tidied his kick inside 50 a long time ago.

Of the players you listed, I am using this years stats except for Oliver, he is on a bender and missed a lot of games last year so I am using his 2022 stats. Adams didn't play a lot of midfield time so I am using his stats from last year when he did.

LDU played 23 games, 86.4% ToG. Averaged 27.7 disposals, 13.7 kicks at 64.2% accuracy. He averaged 12.5 contested possessions at 44.2% CP rate). Averaged 6.3 clearances, 3.9 tackles and 23.1 pressure acts. He had 122 inside 50s (5.3 avg). He kicked 11.4 at 61.1% accuracy and had 13 goal assists or 9.39 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver in 2022 played 23 games and also had 86.4% ToG. Averaged 32.7 disposals, 15.0 kicks at 52.6% accuracy. He averaged 17.8 CPs at 53.3% CPR. Averaged 8.7 clearances, 5.5 tackles and 26.2 pressure acts. He had 124 inside 50s (5.4 avg). He kicked 8.7 at 31.3% accuracy and had 28 goal assists or 4.43 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver is a WAY worse kick than LDU but why is there such a stark contrast in assists. It isn't because we are shit kicks at goal like some clubs, we have a very good conversion rate, the delivery to our forwards is just abysmal and the last guy who tried to show our mids how real clubs deliver the ball inside 50 he was laughed off and kicked out of the club. They thought he was a dickhead for asking the mids to put the ball in front of him instead of 10m over his head.

Treloar 104 inside 50s (4.5 avg). 26 goal assists or 4.0 I50s per goal assist. He kicked 16.6 at 55.2% accuracy, his KE was 54.9%. Why is Treloar kicking a lot more goals and creating a lot more goals than LDU?

Serong also 104 inside 50s. 27 goal assists or 3.85 per GA. He kicked 13.10 at 44.8% and had a KE of 52.4%. Why is he a scoring machine compared to LDU?

Adams (2023) 88 inside 50s (3.8 avg) 25 goal assists or 3.52 per GA. Kicked 13.11 (44.8% accuracy) and had a KE of 52.7%. He was also 30 in 2023. LDU is in his prime and nowhere near as effective.

Anderson is probably more in LDU's league. He had 139 I50s (6.0 avg) for 15 GA or 9.27 per GA. He kicked 13.8 at 54.2% accuracy) and his KE was 58.8%. I wonder why GC ended bottom 4... must be a coincidence.

Caldwell only played 75.3% ToG, so he wasn't on the field as much. He had 82 inside 50s for 11 GA or 7.45 per GA, not good, but a lot better than 9.39. He kicked 8.9 at 34.8% accuracy and his KE was 60.1%. He had a lot more defensive roles, averaged 6.5 tackles per game.

If we are going to get out of the bottom 4 he has to improve his ball use.

 

[Tas]

Gettable said Clarko had met with Houston in the last few days.

Do we think that if Al got out the guitar & sang Dan a ballad during the catch up that it would help or hinder our chances of landing him??

Did he take his phone? :stern look

 

[DuckYeah]

Unless they are free agents then neither are what we need .

You don't give up pick 2 or split it for these types.

Pick 2 is a Judd Martin Sheezel Pendlebury type player

You don't give up that for a Housten and SDK type

That's what your suggesting

Martin or Judd for Housten and SDK

Would you trade Harry Sheezel for Housten and SDK

Not in a million years

No one is straight up trading pick 2 for houston. He’s worth between pick 6-10. Who said “we need to use pick 2 on Houston”? Also in this years draft, it appears you’re more likely to land a Paddy Dow at pick 2 than you are a Dustin Martin.

 

[DuckYeah]

So, about that...

Its Tom, the one that’s being hunted in a trade is Tom to Geelong. Not Sam to Carlton.

 

[DuckYeah]

Hannebery is the very definition of a useful idiot

Real Estate agent. Slimy scumbags

 

[DuckYeah]

The irony is that you are comparing him to the worst kicks in the competition who also play midfield, it isn't a ringing endorsement that he is in this group. Most of these guys also play more inside than LDU.

I don't think LDU is a bad kick, he is just shithouse when he goes inside 50 and he doesn't do the heavy lifting defensively so I expect him to have a lot more polish going forward. Why doesn't he kick more goals? He should have tidied his kick inside 50 a long time ago.

Of the players you listed, I am using this years stats except for Oliver, he is on a bender and missed a lot of games last year so I am using his 2022 stats. Adams didn't play a lot of midfield time so I am using his stats from last year when he did.

LDU played 23 games, 86.4% ToG. Averaged 27.7 disposals, 13.7 kicks at 64.2% accuracy. He averaged 12.5 contested possessions at 44.2% CP rate). Averaged 6.3 clearances, 3.9 tackles and 23.1 pressure acts. He had 122 inside 50s (5.3 avg). He kicked 11.4 at 61.1% accuracy and had 13 goal assists or 9.39 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver in 2022 played 23 games and also had 86.4% ToG. Averaged 32.7 disposals, 15.0 kicks at 52.6% accuracy. He averaged 17.8 CPs at 53.3% CPR. Averaged 8.7 clearances, 5.5 tackles and 26.2 pressure acts. He had 124 inside 50s (5.4 avg). He kicked 8.7 at 31.3% accuracy and had 28 goal assists or 4.43 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver is a WAY worse kick than LDU but why is there such a stark contrast in assists. It isn't because we are shit kicks at goal like some clubs, we have a very good conversion rate, the delivery to our forwards is just abysmal and the last guy who tried to show our mids how real clubs deliver the ball inside 50 he was laughed off and kicked out of the club. They thought he was a dickhead for asking the mids to put the ball in front of him instead of 10m over his head.

Treloar 104 inside 50s (4.5 avg). 26 goal assists or 4.0 I50s per goal assist. He kicked 16.6 at 55.2% accuracy, his KE was 54.9%. Why is Treloar kicking a lot more goals and creating a lot more goals than LDU?

Serong also 104 inside 50s. 27 goal assists or 3.85 per GA. He kicked 13.10 at 44.8% and had a KE of 52.4%. Why is he a scoring machine compared to LDU?

Adams (2023) 88 inside 50s (3.8 avg) 25 goal assists or 3.52 per GA. Kicked 13.11 (44.8% accuracy) and had a KE of 52.7%. He was also 30 in 2023. LDU is in his prime and nowhere near as effective.

Anderson is probably more in LDU's league. He had 139 I50s (6.0 avg) for 15 GA or 9.27 per GA. He kicked 13.8 at 54.2% accuracy) and his KE was 58.8%. I wonder why GC ended bottom 4... must be a coincidence.

Caldwell only played 75.3% ToG, so he wasn't on the field as much. He had 82 inside 50s for 11 GA or 7.45 per GA, not good, but a lot better than 9.39. He kicked 8.9 at 34.8% accuracy and his KE was 60.1%. He had a lot more defensive roles, averaged 6.5 tackles per game.

If we are going to get out of the bottom 4 he has to improve his ball use.

If you are using the “efficiency” stat off the AFL website, its misleading. The stat doesn’t mean you are cleanly hitting a target. It means you aren’t turning the ball over. Im 99% sure if the ball goes out for a boundary throw in, its deemed as an effective stat.

I don’t know why its like this, it should strictly be for hitting targets on the full to mark the ball, perhaps its because 90% of midfielders in the AFL are athletes before footballers and their skills aren’t as good as people think they are.

 

[viccles]

I’m not believing nothin until picks are exchanged and contracts signed

 

[The Big O]

The Carlton board has a no comment tally thread called the bluemour files which is a play on rumour.

I’d consider starting one here but I can’t think what clever name to call it.

Fleetwood LukeyMac: Rumours file?

On SM-S901E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Rooniversity]

There's been some great suggestions; here's mine for the rumour thread name:

On the Pouch

Wait, let me explain!

- On the Couch
- Kangaroos have pouches
- A nod to 'you'd have to be smoking something to believe this/come up with this rumour'

Sits back, mops brow, exhausted.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

The rumour thread name:

On the Pouch

If it needs explanation...

- On the Couch
- Kangaroos have pouches
- A nod to 'you'd have to be smoking something to believe this/come up with this rumour'

Sits back, mops brow, exhausted.

Roomours?

 

[gerry101101]

Roomours?

The Grapeviney

 

[Harris 10]

would he be the first player to play for 4 Melbourne based clubs?

Brian Wilson played for four. .

I think a couple played for 5 many years ago,

 

[The Dingrel]

Gettable said Clarko had met with Houston in the last few days.

Do we think that if Al got out the guitar & sang Dan a ballad during the catch up that it would help or hinder our chances of landing him??

Unreliably informed he played him Rocket Man.

 

[Roo202]

Chris johnson from the lions almost invented the modern attacking hbf.

Nah, Kevin Sheedy invented the modern attacking hbf, apparently he did it on a quiet afternoon... he'd just finished inventing indigenous footballers and needed a little side project before he got started on inventing country footy.

 

[New_Roo]

I’m not believing nothin until picks are exchanged and contracts signed

The ole double negative... so you are believing then?


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[TurnoverMerchant]

The irony is that you are comparing him to the worst kicks in the competition who also play midfield, it isn't a ringing endorsement that he is in this group. Most of these guys also play more inside than LDU.

I don't think LDU is a bad kick, he is just shithouse when he goes inside 50 and he doesn't do the heavy lifting defensively so I expect him to have a lot more polish going forward. Why doesn't he kick more goals? He should have tidied his kick inside 50 a long time ago.

Of the players you listed, I am using this years stats except for Oliver, he is on a bender and missed a lot of games last year so I am using his 2022 stats. Adams didn't play a lot of midfield time so I am using his stats from last year when he did.

LDU played 23 games, 86.4% ToG. Averaged 27.7 disposals, 13.7 kicks at 64.2% accuracy. He averaged 12.5 contested possessions at 44.2% CP rate). Averaged 6.3 clearances, 3.9 tackles and 23.1 pressure acts. He had 122 inside 50s (5.3 avg). He kicked 11.4 at 61.1% accuracy and had 13 goal assists or 9.39 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver in 2022 played 23 games and also had 86.4% ToG. Averaged 32.7 disposals, 15.0 kicks at 52.6% accuracy. He averaged 17.8 CPs at 53.3% CPR. Averaged 8.7 clearances, 5.5 tackles and 26.2 pressure acts. He had 124 inside 50s (5.4 avg). He kicked 8.7 at 31.3% accuracy and had 28 goal assists or 4.43 I50s per goal assist.

Oliver is a WAY worse kick than LDU but why is there such a stark contrast in assists. It isn't because we are shit kicks at goal like some clubs, we have a very good conversion rate, the delivery to our forwards is just abysmal and the last guy who tried to show our mids how real clubs deliver the ball inside 50 he was laughed off and kicked out of the club. They thought he was a dickhead for asking the mids to put the ball in front of him instead of 10m over his head.

Treloar 104 inside 50s (4.5 avg). 26 goal assists or 4.0 I50s per goal assist. He kicked 16.6 at 55.2% accuracy, his KE was 54.9%. Why is Treloar kicking a lot more goals and creating a lot more goals than LDU?

Serong also 104 inside 50s. 27 goal assists or 3.85 per GA. He kicked 13.10 at 44.8% and had a KE of 52.4%. Why is he a scoring machine compared to LDU?

Adams (2023) 88 inside 50s (3.8 avg) 25 goal assists or 3.52 per GA. Kicked 13.11 (44.8% accuracy) and had a KE of 52.7%. He was also 30 in 2023. LDU is in his prime and nowhere near as effective.

Anderson is probably more in LDU's league. He had 139 I50s (6.0 avg) for 15 GA or 9.27 per GA. He kicked 13.8 at 54.2% accuracy) and his KE was 58.8%. I wonder why GC ended bottom 4... must be a coincidence.

Caldwell only played 75.3% ToG, so he wasn't on the field as much. He had 82 inside 50s for 11 GA or 7.45 per GA, not good, but a lot better than 9.39. He kicked 8.9 at 34.8% accuracy and his KE was 60.1%. He had a lot more defensive roles, averaged 6.5 tackles per game.

If we are going to get out of the bottom 4 he has to improve his ball use.

I ain’t reading all that because the point I was making was lost in your post. I was saying that the OP who was complaining about him having the “worst kicking action in the comp” is wrong based on OBJECTIVE facts.

To have such an agenda against a single player is hilarious to me, never mind the player who won the Syd this year. How about we focus on things like our awful bottom 6 players? They have a larger say on whether we win games or not.