List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[stavro#4]

I think using under the table property deals Geelong is not a great example

We do the same thing with seek and companies of our other board members and coteries.

It isn’t exclusive to only the big clubs to offer money via other means and it is something we can offer our own players

 

[stavro#4]

Last week: 9 score involvements, 2 goal assists, 1.1 scoreline. 15 disposals. All damage. Top 5 player for us last week.

Saturday: 5 score involvements, 1 goal assist. 15 disposals. 1/3 of his touches turned into scores.

Not the best games you'll ever see, but once he starts accumulating more, he'll be deadly. At the moment, he's one of the few players in our team that is actually damaging with ball in hand.

I was a massive doubter of his when he first crossed over because I thought his kicking was atrocious, but Ross has worked his magic with him by playing him to his strengths. I am extremely happy to have been proven wrong. I now see what SOS and Gubby saw in him

Round 1: 19 disposals 6 score involvements 0.1

Round 2: 14 disposals 2.2 9 score involvements

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Anyone who thinks we aren't at risk of losing quality players if we continue to dish up this drivel has got rocks in their head.

You can only sell a dream for so long when there's really nothing to show for it.

Right now I'd be embarrassed to sit down and watch a saints game with anyone.

Bust your guts to win the clearances, the contested possessions, the tackles, to run and spread , to provide pressure, you get to the last quarter and you can lose by a dodgy umpiring decision, or a lucky toe poke from defense.

 

[akaifu]

He's another who can only play inside mid. For example , we couldn't play him and Crouch in the same team but Crouch might be yesterday's news.
You can't have a lot of players like that , but i don't know that we couldn't have one.

Not sure how his slowness would compare to Crouch or Steele.
Suns had a similar issue with Constable, but i think Brodie is a better player than Constable.

Nah Constable was ok at spreading, he just couldn't hit the side of a barn with his kicking

Steele and Crouch/Clark in the same centre bounce is already slow, can't afford to have another one of those. Any mid we bring in this year has to be a zippy one - Jagga Smith & Sid Draper via draft or a Schoenberg (hypothetical) from Adelaide. In future years, we'll look at a contested bull to replace Steele/Crouch long term. At the moment, hoping Clark can be the Crouch replacement.

Ultimately, our midfield over the next decade is ideally a mix of Phillipou, Clark, Windy, Garcia, Owens, Henry + a couple of draftees. If development goes well, we won't have to trade in too many mids. LDU or Brayshaw would obviously be nice, but not much else needed outside of those two

 

[gubby88]

Their talent identification also looks alright.

De Koning was widely ridiculed on here. Looks the goods right now.

Henry. Landed him looks fantastic.

Dow. Getting better.

Shiel probably the most interesting target.

But based on their 12 months in the job, they have identified players who would have improved us.

Let’s see what they do this offseason.

not to mention the laughs about draper and xerri

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[Sarcoidevo]

Talking about not hitting the side of a barn ... how bad is Tsatas's kicking .... thank god the Dopers took him

 

[akaifu]

not to mention the laughs about draper and xerri

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Xerri was a huge miss. I was one of the doubters especially when Norf asked for a 2nd rounder, but I now see why they did. Him and Marshall would be the best combo in the league atm

 

[gubby88]

I'm holding them up as shit. You are proving my point. We are taking longer than that Melbourne.

yes becausr they had a massive hand from the afl....the ****s our handout???

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[stavro#4]

Talking about not hitting the side of a barn ... how bad is Tsatas's kicking .... thank god the Dopers took him

Was the player Toce wanted

 

[gubby88]

Improved us.

We are 14th and have looked worse than some of the Ratten-Richo coached sides.

no we havent. i havent seen any 100 point no effort thumpings. all the losses weve had bar the Doggies one (where we had already played 3 games in 11 days) have been not too bad. most losses are within a goal or 2

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[gubby88]

Anyone who thinks we aren't at risk of losing quality players if we continue to dish up this drivel has got rocks in their head.

You can only sell a dream for so long when there's really nothing to show for it.

Right now I'd be embarrassed to sit down and watch a saints game with anyone.

im certainly not. but then again, i like footy and not basketball

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[gubby88]

The finals in 2020… when we last won a final…

****ing give me all the aberrations please.

you lot are the ones saying it was am aberation.

**** me, does anyone actually know how to read anymore????

didnt realise covid also took your abolity for common comprehension....heck me..

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[SaintsSeptember]

Most clubs have a pretty good contested ball winner.
Based on averages this year.

Cripps 14.5 Pittonet 12.3 Walsh 12.1 Blues.
Rowell 14.5 Moyle 11.8 Suns
Libratore 14.3 Bont 14.1 Treloar 12.9 Bulldogs.
Serong 14.3 Fremantle.
Nick Daicos 14.2 Collingwood.
Yeo 13.4 West Coast
Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

13.3 GWS
Neale 13.2 Lions
Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

12.5 Crows
Gawn 12.5 Demons.
Grundy 12.5 Heeney 12.3 Sydney
Taranto 12.3 Tigers
Davies Uniacke 12.1 Xerri 11.9 North

Steele 11.8
We're hanging our hat on the 20th contested possession winner in the comp.
( With a bit of help from RoMa at 11.3 ).

Behind us are Port ( Wines /Butters) Hawks ( Worpel ) Bombers ( Merrett ) Cats ( Conway, Dangerfield , Atkins ).

Trouble is , and i don't know why, but Steele is not what he used to be in that area.
Last season Crouch and Steele combined and won a lot of ball between them. ( With help from RoMa).

Maybe Clark can become that guy, he's only had a couple of games but averaging 11 , the same as Worpel.

Windhager is 48th in the AFL for contested possessions Dow 66th.

Jagga is very skillful and he can find the ball, but i'm thinking he won't end up on that list unless he stops looking like this.

 

[phantom13]

you lot are the ones saying it was am aberation.

**** me, does anyone actually know how to read anymore????

didnt realise covid also took your abolity for common comprehension....heck me..

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Firstly, I never said it was an abberation, ever.

Secondly I wasn’t having a go at you, I was making a light hearted jab at the fact I’d take winning finals as an abberation all day.

Thirdly for the most part what I see around here is blind devotion to Ross. We made finals in 2020 under Ratts but it doesn’t count. We played free flowing footy in the first half of last year before we got fully Rossed but that doesn’t count. The list is dogshit, even though it finished 6th last year, Ross needs a full rebuild, even though we’re not tanking.

Ross is fine, he’s one of the great tactical coaches of the modern era but as a development and rebuild coach… don’t think we’re as sold.

If his job here is a quick dip to add the last 20% from a list building POV and then tactics standards etc. let’s ****ing go. I’m onboard (and I THINK that is the case) but…

Half the people on here think full 4-5-6-10 year rebuild and in that space defending current decision making is absurd. Playing lifeless shit footy and still winning means

• we lose the top draft picks
• we probably lose any good players we’ve got left
• we stifle development of young potential guns
• we blow any chance we have of getting FAs

I can actually see the road ahead if the intention is to bounce back next year and then really tilt for 2026 (albeit I don’t think 7 goals a game is winning much footy in 2024 and beyond). But if some of you are right and this is a full rebuild.

We are properly, PROPERLY ****ed.

 

[akaifu]

Most clubs have a pretty good contested ball winner.
Based on averages this year.

Cripps 14.5 Pittonet 12.3 Walsh 12.1 Blues.
Rowell 14.5 Moyle 11.8 Suns
Libratore 14.3 Bont 14.1 Treloar 12.9 Bulldogs.
Serong 14.3 Fremantle.
Nick Daicos 14.2 Collingwood.
Yeo 13.4 West Coast
Tom Green 13.3 GWS
Neale 13.2 Lions
Matt Crouch 12.5 Crows
Gawn 12.5 Demons.
Grundy 12.5 Heeney 12.3 Sydney
Taranto 12.3 Tigers
Davies Uniacke 12.1 Xerri 11.9 North

Steele 11.8
We're hanging our hat on the 20th contested possession winner in the comp.
( With a bit of help from RoMa at 11.3 ).

Behind us are Port ( Wines /Butters) Hawks ( Worpel ) Bombers ( Merrett ) Cats ( Conway, Dangerfield , Atkins ).

Trouble is , and i don't know why, but Steele is not what he used to be in that area.
Last season Crouch and Steele combined and won a lot of ball between them. ( With help from RoMa).

Maybe Clark can become that guy, he's only had a couple of games but averaging 11 , the same as Worpel.

Windhager is 48th in the AFL for contested possessions Dow 66th.

Jagga is very skillful and he can find the ball, but i'm thinking he won't end up on that list unless he stops looking like this.

Jagga is the exact same player Zak Butters was in his draft year. Very good craft and skill, but physically no good. This can easily be worked on at AFL level and over a span of a couple of years, he'll be fine

I can't remember the last time a player flopped in their career due to a lack of size or physical strength

 

[austinnn]

Even our wins are like getting half a hand job. Just don't make us an embarrassment. That's not much to ask. Melbourne were 12 years prelim to prelim. Saints are 15 years in and look like we are still years away. I'd sack the whole board and start again if we aren't heading towards top 4 midway through next year. They've had a good go.

Classic Saints attitude. Fix every single thing in three seasons or you and all your people get out and we'll just start again. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

One bloke who we trust to take us somewhere, he said at the start it wouldn’t be a quick fix, but just because the rest of AFL has started hating us instead of just pitying us, and because the progression isn't like some bullshit reality TV pimp my team / extreme team makeover, now even our rusted on fans have sweaty koits.

We're a shitload better than we were in Ratten's last year, we're in a slump like a lot of teams, a lot of players are out of sorts, we're bedding in a new system, new standards, new team members. It takes time. Thank You For Your Patience, Please Stand By.

 

[austinnn]

finals isnt fashionable footy. its tough contested and defensive footyBigFooty.com mobile app

This is a very under-discussed point. Lyon is a finals specialist, he knows what will get us through when the fire is fiercest, he's not interested in getting Wheatley and Robinson or other pundits to orgasm because he knows St Kilda will never be feted, no matter how good our footy is.

He is in the process of building this club's spine and armour, after which time he'll turn his attention to our weapons.

 

[austinnn]

i love the way we played on the weekend. i loved how we made that silk team with the GOAT coach look like a bunch of absolute pedestrians playing in their shells

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Me too. I thought the first quarter was great especially.

 

[austinnn]

Does anyone have a read on what to expect from Jordon Butts as a player if we land him?

(Other than clever puns... )

Isn't he quite a big player?

I'm just wondering if someone just overheard SOS singing along to Sir Mixalot on his car stereo and drew conclusions

 

[puntking]

Anyone who thinks we aren't at risk of losing quality players if we continue to dish up this drivel has got rocks in their head.

You can only sell a dream for so long when there's really nothing to show for it.

Right now I'd be embarrassed to sit down and watch a saints game with anyone.

what quality? I’m embarrassed for the last 14 years, and finally I’m confident we have the right admin the right recruiting staff and rights coaches, now stop whining and give them time to turn this rabble of a club into a great team

 

[puntking]

Firstly, I never said it was an abberation, ever.

Secondly I wasn’t having a go at you, I was making a light hearted jab at the fact I’d take winning finals as an abberation all day.

Thirdly for the most part what I see around here is blind devotion to Ross. We made finals in 2020 under Ratts but it doesn’t count. We played free flowing footy in the first half of last year before we got fully Rossed but that doesn’t count. The list is dogshit, even though it finished 6th last year, Ross needs a full rebuild, even though we’re not tanking.

Ross is fine, he’s one of the great tactical coaches of the modern era but as a development and rebuild coach… don’t think we’re as sold.

If his job here is a quick dip to add the last 20% from a list building POV and then tactics standards etc. let’s ****ing go. I’m onboard (and I THINK that is the case) but…

Half the people on here think full 4-5-6-10 year rebuild and in that space defending current decision making is absurd. Playing lifeless shit footy and still winning means

• we lose the top draft picks
• we probably lose any good players we’ve got left
• we stifle development of young potential guns
• we blow any chance we have of getting FAs

I can actually see the road ahead if the intention is to bounce back next year and then really tilt for 2026 (albeit I don’t think 7 goals a game is winning much footy in 2024 and beyond). But if some of you are right and this is a full rebuild.

We are properly, PROPERLY ****ed.

You’ve been all over the place again who is better? We have built the club from the top over the last 2 years and now we will go after the players over next few seasons to turn this list over, the review that was conducted was 100% correct, the president has been very upfront if u listen to him, and Ross was correct when he said last preseason that we have no talent.

 

[tomjoad]

Shipping those two players off ( as you put it) has not made us stronger.

Honestly , its babyish, you don't like something you want to throw it out of the cot.

Long term it will make us stronger. Billings provided sweet F*CK all in the decade he was with us, and Coffield unfortunately is too injury prone & hit and miss to be of any value. We're better having them off the books and trying again with new blood.
Every team does it

 

[stavro#4]

Firstly, I never said it was an abberation, ever.

Secondly I wasn’t having a go at you, I was making a light hearted jab at the fact I’d take winning finals as an abberation all day.

Thirdly for the most part what I see around here is blind devotion to Ross. We made finals in 2020 under Ratts but it doesn’t count. We played free flowing footy in the first half of last year before we got fully Rossed but that doesn’t count. The list is dogshit, even though it finished 6th last year, Ross needs a full rebuild, even though we’re not tanking.

Ross is fine, he’s one of the great tactical coaches of the modern era but as a development and rebuild coach… don’t think we’re as sold.

If his job here is a quick dip to add the last 20% from a list building POV and then tactics standards etc. let’s ****ing go. I’m onboard (and I THINK that is the case) but…

Half the people on here think full 4-5-6-10 year rebuild and in that space defending current decision making is absurd. Playing lifeless shit footy and still winning means

• we lose the top draft picks
• we probably lose any good players we’ve got left
• we stifle development of young potential guns
• we blow any chance we have of getting FAs

I can actually see the road ahead if the intention is to bounce back next year and then really tilt for 2026 (albeit I don’t think 7 goals a game is winning much footy in 2024 and beyond). But if some of you are right and this is a full rebuild.

We are properly, PROPERLY ****ed.

Who is calling this a full rebuild? Gringo..

Enough said. Stop buying into his drama.

You don’t go after LDU or Weitering for a full rebuild.

They don’t want Battle to go. They also don’t have any control.

Speaking of Battle. How often does a player outside your top 25% turn into a good enough player to attract potential band 1 offers? That coach we have might just be good at development

 

[austinnn]

Long term it will make us stronger. Billings provided sweet F*CK all in the decade he was with us, and Coffield unfortunately is too injury prone & hit and miss to be of any value. We're better having them off the books and trying again with new blood.
Every team does it

We've got a history of holding on too long to players until they have zero value.

Could have set ourselves up by now if we were braver with a few of the following:

Armitage
Steven
Ross
Bruce
Membrey
Billings
Clark
Howard

Gresham the exception

Like me and all the shit in my garage that I should sell or dump but I hold onto it because "we'll need it one of these days"

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

After finally finding one of our own. A lot of you guys just adjust to the club setting standards lower and lower. We were plateauing under Ratts, we are actually going backwards under Lyon with better players and better staff.

We should offer Lyon a job a a director of footy and get some up to date assistants to do the matchday planning and coaching. Get rid of Gubby and get a minder for Sos.

This is starting to smell like Malthouse going to Carlton.

We’re much younger under Ross. Maybe that has something to do with the drop off. Better undoubtedly. We’re not getting smoked liked we regularly did under Ratts.

Game style currently sucks but you can see what they’re trying to do. If we could hit a target inside F50 we’d looked a million dollars.

You’d have a point if the club was playing funny buggers with Battle & looking at trading him.

But they aren’t. He’s an unrestricted free agent.

Some supporters are a bit pragmatic about it… free agency sucks for clubs like ours… I’m surprised we haven’t lost more players considering how shit we’ve been for so long. Dunno if that is lowering expectations of the club… its just reality.

Maybe you should be blaming the last regime for not signing Battle to a 5 year megabucks deal that would have at least made him an RFA that we could consider matching in a few years time.


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