List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[_Maximus_12]

Quotes from Ross Lyon on St Kilda's 'interest' in Tarryn Thomas via SEN.

“With the Tarryn Thomas stuff, if I’m an AFL club I’m saying, ‘If you want a play AFL footy, that’s great, but go and prove to us that you can go and play at a lower level’,” Lyon said.

“Whether it's VFL or interstate - I don't care what level it is - for a year or two years go and put your head down and show that you've got contrition and own your actions.

“Only then would I take a lunch meeting with you. That's the way I would see that. I wouldn't consider Tarryn Thomas until I'd seen him get through a year or maybe two somewhere else.

“It's not about the money, playing at the top level and the thrill of being known as an AFL player.

“Go off the grid, get yourself right, show and demonstrate that you've learned from some of the horrendous mistakes you made.”

Source HERE.

I’d suggest the source of the article is confused between Garry Lyon, and Ross Lyon.

 

[The Punter]

Whinging about concessions yet avoid the conversation as to why guys like Mccartin, Billings, Clark and Coffield failed as early draft picks.

Can’t even get a blue chip prospect like Max King to develop. If you had of drafted Jamarra or Darcy they’d be playing at Sandringham in every trade rumour imaginable.

Our poor drafting and development record is irrelevant to identifying the inequities of the draft, whose sole objective should be to ensure the worst teams have access to the best talent, which is why the Father-Son rule and the academies should be abolished immediately.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No. I’m not saying anything about salary caps and purely talking that clubs trade players to acquire players or draft assets to build into contending teams.

You don’t need to hold every player to get to where you want to go.

As I’ve mentioned and has been supported by the likes of Twomey.

All that senior core of Membrey Ross Howard are all on the table.

Battle at band 1 exceeds his market value.

The question is how ballsy are we if the above go. Do we consider another senior player which would point to Steele as Wilkie Marshall and Sinclair are indispensable in comparison.


Nothing wrong at all with the above.

Sure those guys are indispensable, but Steele isn't .
Have you not seen how he's been carrying the team most weeks?
Would leave Phillipou doing most of the grunt work , and that won't end well.

 

[stavro#4]

Sure those guys are indispensable, but Steele isn't .
Have you not seen how he's been carrying the team most weeks?
Would leave Phillipou doing most of the grunt work , and that won't end well.

We ain’t winning a flag next year - there is nothing left to elevate us that is available.

So irrespective of what Steele has done. It isn’t about 2025. It’s about getting us to that point of contention.

He is a shadow of his 2020/21 self.

People don’t want to make up the numbers. Retaining what we have and hoping our solitary pick changes everything is effectively just climbing back into a hamster wheel.

Meanwhile we do the typical stkilda thing and allow our assets who probably won’t be the onfield drivers of our next period of contention lose their value by retaining for too long.

 

[jumperfan]

We ain’t winning a flag next year - there is nothing left to elevate us that is available.

So irrespective of what Steele has done. It isn’t about 2025. It’s about getting us to that point of contention.

He is a shadow of his 2020/21 self.

People don’t want to make up the numbers. Retaining what we have and hoping our solitary pick changes everything is effectively just climbing back into a hamster wheel.

Meanwhile we do the typical stkilda thing and allow our assets who probably won’t be the onfield drivers of our next period of contention lose their value by retaining for too long.

Realistically, what do you think we'll actually be able to trade Steele for? He's still a good player but by your own admission he's a shadow of the player he was and isn't getting any younger.

 

[Joffaboy]

Whinging about concessions yet avoid the conversation as to why guys like Mccartin, Billings, Clark and Coffield failed as early draft picks.

Can’t even get a blue chip prospect like Max King to develop. If you had of drafted Jamarra or Darcy they’d be playing at Sandringham in every trade rumour imaginable.

FRO charity cheat, why are you even here?
Fact you got JUH as no.1 after playing finals,
Fact you got Darcy after being in a grand final.
Fact you get them for peppercorn rent. You did nothing for them, and don't deserve them.
Has nothing to do with genuine draft picks it has everything to do with you gaining an advantage that wasn't earned or deserved, now piss off you idiot.

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[stavro#4]

Realistically, what do you think we'll actually be able to trade Steele for? He's still a good player but by your own admission he's a shadow of the player he was and isn't getting any younger.

A Top 6 pick in a draft like this.

Or

A first and a second.

Different clubs will value him differently. But I wouldn’t trade him for any old first. It has to position us to attain the best talent in this draft.

 

[Joffaboy]

If every year you could guarantee having a top 2 talent in the draft and the cost is decimating your draft hand… I think every club would do it

What sort of bullcrap argument is that.

“Oh NO! We can’t use a late first and a late second at the draft. What shall we do with the best or second best kid… 2 years in a row”

They know they are charity cheats, that's why they make excuses, as corrupt as their next door club Norf.

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[SaintsSeptember]

A Top 6 pick in a draft like this.

Or

A first and a second.

Different clubs will value him differently. But I wouldn’t trade him for any old first. It has to position us to attain the best talent in this draft.

And who is that ?
I'm over aiming for draft picks. I don't mind aiming for players in the draft.

 

[ossie_21]

If every year you could guarantee having a top 2 talent in the draft and the cost is decimating your draft hand… I think every club would do it

What sort of bullcrap argument is that.

“Oh NO! We can’t use a late first and a late second at the draft. What shall we do with the best or second best kid… 2 years in a row”

Settle, I was simply addressing the post I quoted and that it was wrong. Of course every club would do it, but it was unprecedented (especially in consecutive years) and it’s not going to be every year.

 

[Joffaboy]

Sure those guys are indispensable, but Steele isn't .
Have you not seen how he's been carrying the team most weeks?
Would leave Phillipou doing most of the grunt work , and that won't end well.

Players with currency
Battle a top 5 band 1
King 2 firsts
Rohan 2 firsts
Steele a first and second.

So in my view Steele is fourth on the list not worth as much as the other three and is one of the few decent mids we have so it would be a hard no in my view.

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[stavro#4]

Settle, I was simply addressing the post I quoted and that it was wrong. Of course every club would do it, but it was unprecedented (especially in consecutive years) and it’s not going to be every year.

You seriously miss the point if you think the issue was that you got kissed on that little bulldog knob in consecutive years.

 

[Joffaboy]

Settle, I was simply addressing the post I quoted and that it was wrong. Of course every club would do it, but it was unprecedented (especially in consecutive years) and it’s not going to be every year.

Oh well that's makes it right then does it? How many more free Darcy's to come?

Might not be you getting a top 5 pick for free while being a flag contender, this year we just got beaten by Brisbane by 13 goals and they are flag favourites. They get Ashcroft the best mid in the league as charity.
Every year Brisbane, GC, Sydney and GWS have unfettered access to NGA's, we have had access to one top ten in McKenzie, but because you rooted the system with your free no.1 in JUH we miss out and he goes to Hawthorn.
The purpose of the draft is to give teams not in the eight first access to the best players.It is now so corrupt, and your club is complicit in that corruption with your unearned and undeserved gifts, that some clubs will not be able to access these players.
The whole draft system should be tested in court. The corruption, yours and the other AFL booster clubs would not be allowed in other professional sport.
My team in League in Sydney has been down for years, past two years have brought in players only limited by SC. They are now closing in on top four. I used to laugh at their system, however it's far superior to our manipulated, corrupt and pathetic 'draft' that has turned the AFL into the WWE.


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[thekizzler]

Quotes are from Garry Lyon.

Thanks for pointing that out. My bad.

What a steaming pile of sh*t that article is. Doesn't even mention Lyon's first name in it.

 

[TheJackal]

The two players situations are not comparable and it's extremely ignorant to try and present it as such

It's ignorant to assume footballers are only there to play football. They do extras in the community, for each other, for charities and more, it's part of building a culture.

I'm not comparing the two situations, rather correcting the assertion that the guys are there to play football and nothing else.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Quotes are from Garry Lyon.

Thanks for pointing that out. My bad.

What a steaming pile of sh*t that article is. Doesn't even mention Lyon's first name in it.

Gross Lyon?

 

[The Punter]

As you guys simply can’t be civil when I’m trying to have a respectful conversation, I think I’m done here.

Good - you weren't invited.

I don't post often on the main board for a reason.

 

[Diehard Saint]

If every year you could guarantee having a top 2 talent in the draft and the cost is decimating your draft hand… I think every club would do it

What sort of bullcrap argument is that.

“Oh NO! We can’t use a late first and a late second at the draft. What shall we do with the best or second best kid… 2 years in a row”

This guy is completely delusional.
Why do these other team supporters insist on visiting our board?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Thanks for pointing that out. My bad.

What a steaming pile of sh*t that article is. Doesn't even mention Lyon's first name in it.

Horrendous. how can you mess that up! I thought it was really odd that, 1, RTB was holding his weekly presser in the AM and 2, he would make such categoric comments.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Settle, I was simply addressing the post I quoted and that it was wrong. Of course every club would do it, but it was unprecedented (especially in consecutive years) and it’s not going to be every year.

You're missing the point.
It shouldn't have been allowed to happen ANY year.
In any professional competition the draft is allowing the best talent to go to the worst performing clubs.
No father/son rorting. No other BS allowances for basically nothing.
That is all.

 

[Speck]

The only way I could entertain Steele being traded would be good value (such as a mid first rounder and any second rounder), and us bringing in a few older heads on the cheap (3rds plus) like Macrae, Parker, Shiel and Lyons. We can't throw our young midfield to the wolves like that.

I really don't know who would offer that for Steele though, unless they see more than we do or think he is being mismanaged.

 

[Yawkey way]

This guy is completely delusional.
Why do these other team supporters insist on visiting our board?

Why not didn’t banning one get George sacked as mod.

 

[Cairnsman]

They want us just to exist for TV rights.

TV rights is even chump change these days...it's those good ole gambling rivers of gold that intoxicate the AFL executive these days.

And guess which games each round are amongst the most lucrative games for gambling revenue, that's right, Sunday afternoon games.

Why?

Because for the addicted gamblers who have lost big all weekend, a Sunday afternoon game is the last chance for gambling addicts to claw back lost money from that weekend, it's a gambling addicts last hit before they go clean...then the following weekend of sport arrives.

St Kilda will join Tasmania as being the AFLs premier Gambling product so no need to stress about us ever getting kicked out of the comp, we make the AFL zillions in our treasured Sunday afternoon time slot.

I wonder who paid for lunch, would have been Tarryn for sure aye?

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Whinging about concessions yet avoid the conversation as to why guys like Mccartin, Billings, Clark and Coffield failed as early draft picks.

Can’t even get a blue chip prospect like Max King to develop. If you had of drafted Jamarra or Darcy they’d be playing at Sandringham in every trade rumour imaginable.

Jamara may not be playing in 12 months time if he keeps up the extra curricular activities

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[saintbill]

A Top 6 pick in a draft like this.

Or

A first and a second.

Different clubs will value him differently. But I wouldn’t trade him for any old first. It has to position us to attain the best talent in this draft.

A top 6 pick is highly unrealistic I would have that. However, if u can get it you would have to do it.