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How many other leading component rucks get dropped annually?
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Punchy Bassett
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Not sure how people can say ROB is good enough when he's been dropped last two seasons now.
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Yep knowing as a leader and with limited options, he’s not getting dropped off one bad game, we have to endure a run of poor games before he dropped.
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I’d like to see how they mark those stats becuase to me he breaks even a lot and if the ball happens to bounce luckily to our bloke I bet that’s called a hit to advantage.
He’s got a massive leg up on total number due to he game time he plays.
Draper would be disappointing, i agree.
We also have the mid season draft to snag a SANFL player
Standard Champion Data methodology I assume.
He did attend a higher % of ruck contests than anyone else (83.4%), but that's only marginally ahead of several others, with Xerri next on 82.3%. Xerri, Meek, Gawn, Marshall & Witts were all at 80% or higher.
The % Hitouts and % Hitouts to Advantage figures eliminate the number of ruck contests as a factor. He's 4th on the list of % Hitouts, winning 50.5% of all Hitouts contested. He's 24th on the list of Hitouts to Advantage (28.6%).
The problem with the % stats is that players with small sample sizes can have artificially inflated results - Adelaide's Chris Burgess is ranked 2nd in % HTA. Filtering out players with < 10 games and/or < 20 hitouts per game, he's actually 7th for % HTA.
Any way you cut it, ROB's ruck work stacks up against the bulk of the AFL competition.
His general field play, on the other hand...
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I wouldn't be surprised if our plan is this:
2025
Recruit Sam Draper via FA hopefully at a lesser rate than ROB
Delist Strachan
Let ROB leave via FA
Recruit a mature age ruck for a late draft pick
2026
Recruit Goad from North
Hope Goad develops quickly and replaces Drapet in 2028
Hitouts to advantage are not all created equal. Someone like Gawn can palm it perfectly to a mid on the run (Sauce was also very good at this) whereas ROB mainly just swats it straight down in the general direction of our mids.
It's just a bad combo of a ruckman that can't jump and a midfield with very little speed or dynamism (the ones the coaches choose for CBA's anyway).
The only issue there is the last sentence. If we're offering Draper a big enough salary to lure him away as a FA, then we're clearly expecting to get more than 2 years service out of him.
Take it up with Champion Data. They're the ones who define what a HTA is, and count how many a player achieves.
I accept & agree that his ability in general play is limited, as are his foot skills in particular.
The statistics show that his ruck work is better than most, and it is clearly under-rated by many BF posters (including yourself).
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Good point. Can't carry a ruckman that has been dropped. Not like Collingwood did it in 2023 when they won the flag with Mason Cox as their ruckman.
Ruckman are like grades at university. P's get degrees and it doesn't matter whether you get a high distinction or a pass - you still get a degree.
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Sam Draper really doesn't strike me as the Crows' type
There are definitely questions to be asked about his performance in general play - most notably his marking and kicking skills. His ruck work though, has always been at a high level.
Effectively Dan Houston’s replacement
Barnett would have been a great option but re-signed
Pete Ladhams would come cheap and is better than Strachan
Goad/Ladhams/T.Murray if ROB is gone end of next year
Pete Ladhams would come cheap and is better than Strachan
Goad/Ladhams/T.Murray if ROB is gone end of next year
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It's the inconsistency that kills him.
His kicking is pretty bad always, but the around the ground marking goes from elite to amateur level in the course of a single game
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WCE must be doing a lot of projection and placing a lot of faith in future development re Barnett then.
Goad wasn't even competitive in the VFL games I watched this year, he was awful and offered nothing wherever they hid him.
They might be former SA lads and young but should be showing a lot more before we get interested.
Will Verrall is a mile ahead of both on lower level performance if we're looking at local rucks.
Verrall’s OOC next year, too. Wouldn’t mind targeting him (though Dees probably see him as Gawn’s successor)
Well its official.
We have selected Schoenberg and now Burgess in the rookie drafts
We have selected Schoenberg and now Burgess in the rookie drafts
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Still doesn't make any sense - they won't be on the list next year and are odds on not to play 10 games between them this year
And upgraded Keane to the senior list.
A - they were already contracted for 2025.
B - Delisting them outright would have required us to include their 2025 salaries in our 2024 salary cap, which has already been (mostly) spent.
We've been over this time & time again over the last few weeks.
