List Mgmt. 2025 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Scorpus]

Statistically, there’s not a lot of difference between Peatling/Cumming and the players they logically replaced Berry/Jones. But I think they make us better overall, even if they’ve started a little slowly and may not be prolific in terms of stats. Although, I still believe that Jones has a chance to make it.

I am confident the ceiling on Peatling and Cumming is much higher than Berry and Jones and I think both will be much more reliable players for us long term.

I really liked Cumming at GWS in particular, just a solid user that even on a quieter day plays his role and doesn't stuff up

 

[Mostyn]

I wouldn't as a wingman is more of a need.

Cumming is coming off an interrupted pre-season, so be patient on judging him. Also, needs to get used to playing in a new team.

Cumming would have to have him for speed and normally for disposal, I think. Redman hasn't been great but i still think there's a good footballer there

 

[rabidcrow]

Problem then is the shorter Borlase would be our only other KPD option and he's really not any more decisive or attacking with his ball use than Butts....and not as athletic either. Butts is a must keep IMO. Contracted to 2026.

Agree. You need 4 genuine key defenders (and forwards) on your list. Borlase not a genuine KPD - so Butts is a must


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[latinoheat]

Think we need to go big this draft . Ruck and key forward.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cumming would have to have him for speed and normally for disposal, I think. Redman hasn't been great but i still think there's a good footballer there

Redman’s basically 2015-19 Smith I think

 

[hugecannon]

Think we need to go big this draft . Ruck and key forward.

Depending on if Butts looks at getting regular games at another club then KPD would be another thing to look at, and I’d like a genuine small crumbing forward to compliment Fog, TT and Curtin.

 

[1990crow]

Think we need to go big this draft . Ruck and key forward.

Key forward? Nah.
Ruck - id rather find someone who's already had a few seasons development.

We don't really need that much more right now.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Key forward? Nah.
Ruck - id rather find someone who's already had a few seasons development.

We don't really need that much more right now.

Maybe a CHB prospect with higher upside than our current guys?

Not in the first round though

 

[Scorpus]

Key forward? Nah.
Ruck - id rather find someone who's already had a few seasons development.

We don't really need that much more right now.

First round pick on an outside midfielder/half back. Later picks on a ruck and KPD

 

[rabidcrow]

First round pick on an outside midfielder/half back. Later picks on a ruck and KPD

We have Edwards and Ryan?
Key position take longer - seems the way to go if any are available at the top end


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[FR0GGY]

I am confident the ceiling on Peatling and Cumming is much higher than Berry and Jones and I think both will be much more reliable players for us long term.

I really liked Cumming at GWS in particular, just a solid user that even on a quieter day plays his role and doesn't stuff up

Reckon it’s a lot harder to come into a new club as an outside runner than in inside player.

 

[1990crow]

First round pick on an outside midfielder/half back. Later picks on a ruck and KPD

I hope we don't have a first rounder this year.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I hope we don't have a first rounder this year.

Other than NWM, hard to pick which player we’d use it on

 

[1990crow]

Other than NWM, hard to pick which player we’d use it on

I don't want anyone else.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I don't want anyone else.

Okay but I wouldn’t call it a fail if we don’t land him

 

[Vader]

KPF & Ruck would be our #1 needs at this point in time, though I'd happily grab Dyson Sharp if we could get our hands on him.

With Tex highly likely to retire at the end of this year that leaves us with only TT, Fog, and Turray as KPF options. We probably need at least 1-2 more, as the cupboard will be almost completely bare if/when injuries hit.

We've grabbed McAndrew to replace Strachan, but we still need to grab a ruck to replace ROB. Whether that needs to be a (ready to go NOW) mature ruck, or a development ruck, depends on whether or not ROB chooses to re-sign.

 

[1990crow]

Okay but I wouldn’t call it a fail if we don’t land him

It'd be kind of like a stacked Hawthorn adding Shaun Burgoyne.
You just have to do it.

 

[Danger in Texas]

KPF & Ruck would be our #1 needs at this point in time, though I'd happily grab Dyson Sharp if we could get our hands on him.

With Tex highly likely to retire at the end of this year that leaves us with only TT, Fog, and Turray as KPF options. We probably need at least 1-2 more, as the cupboard will be almost completely bare if/when injuries hit.

We've grabbed McAndrew to replace Strachan, but we still need to grab a ruck to replace ROB. Whether that needs to be a (ready to go NOW) mature ruck, or a development ruck, depends on whether or not ROB chooses to re-sign.

Depends if Curtin ends up being a mobile 3rd tall or a wing/HF, too. But yeah, I'd be targeting Bauer and/or Fawcett from the Tigers as younger depth KPF options. Wouldn't use a first on one

 

[Danger in Texas]

It'd be kind of like a stacked Hawthorn adding Shaun Burgoyne.
You just have to do it.

At least it sounds like we're putting 110% into chasing him

 

[Mutineer]

Depends if Curtin ends up being a mobile 3rd tall or a wing/HF, too. But yeah, I'd be targeting Bauer and/or Fawcett from the Tigers as younger depth KPF options. Wouldn't use a first on one

I would if it was Louis Emmett.

Charlie West was there last draft if we had a list spot, will be a bargain pick up by the Pies at pick 50, burnt up the pre-season and 2 goals 1st up in the VFL both coming from big contested marks.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I would if it was Louis Emmett.

Charlie West was there last draft if we had a list spot, will be a bargain pick up by the Pies at pick 50, burnt up the pre-season and 2 goals 1st up in the VFL both coming from big contested marks.

Yeah but we're probably gonna be well out of the Emmett convo (and CDT too, if we want a high tier young ruck)

Always impressive when young KPFs show promise eariler than expected. Should be primed when Mihocek begins to decline/retires

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah but we're probably gonna be well out of the Emmett convo (and CDT too, if we want a high tier young ruck)

Always impressive when young KPFs show promise eariler than expected. Should be primed when Mihocek begins to decline/retires

Louis Emmett like Thilthorpe would be a waste as a ruck, he's the best KPF in the upcoming draft IMO unless someone comes from the clouds.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Louis Emmett like Thilthorpe would be a waste as a ruck, he's the best KPF in the upcoming draft IMO unless someone comes from the clouds.

Yeah meant only CDT for ruck

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Butts is very solid and would start for probably half of the current teams in the AFL, but assuming that none of Keane / N Murray / Worrell suffer a significant injury, it’s unlikely that Butts will get back into our senior side any time soon.

Butts is undoubtedly a better one on one defender than Keane. It’s not particularly close. However, Keane has a better intercept game, and is a far more creative player offensively.

Murray is our best key defender and he’s probably the main reason why Butts isn’t getting a game. It just feels like having both of Murray and Butts in our back 7 makes us a bit too one-dimensional back there and that it wouldn’t suit the game style we are trying to play.

Worrell is the preferred option as that “third tall”, and has a raking left boot plus the highest upside of any of these players.


I would describe Butts as a very good one on one defender, who is strong in the contest and best suited to playing on resting ruckmen, and the likes of Amartey, the King brothers, Oscar Allen, Treacy and Mabior Chol.

Offensively, he lacks creativity, tends to stifle ball movement and take the safest option, which sometimes hems us in. He reminds me a lot of Daniel Talia in this regard. Not unusual for key defenders and it’s not like he makes a high percentage of howler errors. I think his disposal efficiency (a shithouse stat which tells false stories) was the highest in our entire squad in 2024. Is he capable of seeing something in the centre of the ground and lacing out a high risk / high reward 45m pass to a moving target which leads to an offensive burst? Absolutely not on your life.

The other thing worth mentioning in relation to Butts is that he’s had multiple serious foot injuries. That could be a red flag, or they could be completely under control now. Hard to say.

So, assuming there’s no serious injury to one of those 3 guys currently in our side, I would suggest it’s very likely that Butts would seek a trade at season’s end (he will have a number of suitors), and that Carlton would be a perfect landing spot for him. I think we’d likely be willing to release Butts too, especially considering we also have Borlase as a very similar depth option. If Leek Aleer is on our radar as has been suggested, that would make Butts a virtual certainty to leave (again, this assumes all of Murray, Worrell and Keane are fit).


The price? Well if Butts only plays a handful of games for us in 2025, it can hardly be a steep price can it. Pick 40? Something like that.


I would say that right now, Butts is arguably the single most likely player on our entire list to be traded at the end of 2025 (Z Taylor, S Berry and B Cook stand out as others who may request a trade and actually have suitors).

Similar to how I see it. We've got Lewis Young who we hoped would unlock Weitering to roam more and be that intercepting rebounder more but Young is dreadful one on one and just can't seem to find any consistency.

Ive liked Butts for a while and with us in a bit of a dire spot in terms of trade capital think he'd be the perfect target for us. Just a no fuss campaigner who's happy locking down a big KPF and letting the others get to work around him.

Thanks for the detailed response though, much appreciated!

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

At least it sounds like we're putting 110% into chasing him

Clubs would chase a tonne of other players as there are so many potential targets that don’t work out due them choosing to stay, another club making a better offer, the player getting injured or losing form, etc.