Certified Legendary Thread 2nd Ashes Test England v Australia June 28-July 2 1930hrs @ Lords

[Coasters7]

This is perfect for Starc . Runs the board , bowler friendly conditions and opposition that will go hard at him with poor technique that you can drive a truck through.

He might go for a few , but he has a bag of wickets in him here

Hope we see a few ODI tricks thrown in too. His yorker is underused at test level and I feel he could catch a few out. Perfect conditions for him, as you say, because his quick erratic bowling on a pitch that’s doing a bit should create plenty of chances in the same way Bolands predictability actually worked in their favour

 

[grumbleguts]

In news just in, the England cricket team has just been listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. Henceforth they'll be known as the All Ordinaries.

One might say they are extra ordinary.

 

[frankrizzo]

The forecast doesn't look that bad to me though

Its england though remember 19 wc? forecasts would be light rain clearing and next thing you know its 5 hours later and still no play.

 

[Pistol Night]

Met Office has the rain clear of north London by 8:00 p.m. our time. Just depends on the outfield.

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Said in Cricinfo its cleared and play should start on time

 

[MinerBoy]

No debate from me in regards to Bradman, should easily be regarded the best batsmen ever.

In regards to Ponting and Tendulkar, Tendulkar shits all over Ponting.

Ponting was the best bat of his generation. His last few years tainted his record but his very long reign at the top was done while also being captain and batting 3. Something Lara and Tendulkar weren’t able to juggle successfully. And unlike others like Kallis and Dravid he also dominated bowling attacks and set matches up for wins, rather than a more dour occupation of the crease.

Best bat the world has seen since Viv Richards imo


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[swingdog]

Here's Abbey Road crossing, which is nearby:

Abbey Road Studios

www.abbeyroad.com

Not raining but wet.

 

[Manbearpig77]

This is because to choose to bowl first the pitch has to be massively in your favour. Bat first choices will happen on 50/50 pitches. So results will always skew in bowl first favour.

In 86 out of 93 matches the team winning the toss has batted first in India. However the team batting first has won 28 and lost 38 (34% won/ 20% drawn/ 46% lost).

However, one of the major benefits of batting first is it negates the effectiveness of spin. Which has become far more prominent in Test matches since the 90's. In the early 90's spinners bowled 30% of test overs, in the last 6 years they account for around 42%.

So, Since 2014 batting first does indeed have an advantage, but as mentioned before, from 1980 to 2014 it wasn't a particular advantage at all.

Also some pitches are and have always been bat first pitches (Adelaide and Galle) whereas others are and have always been bowl first (Lahore and Karachi).

 

[Around the Wicket]

Ponting was the best bat of his generation. His last few years tainted his record but his very long reign at the top was done while also being captain and batting 3. Something Lara and Tendulkar weren’t able to juggle successfully. And unlike others like Kallis and Dravid he also dominated bowling attacks and set matches up for wins, rather than a more dour occupation of the crease.

Best bat the world has seen since Viv Richards imo


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Ponting averaged 26 in India
Ponting averaged 41 in England

Tendulkar averaged 50+ in Australia
Tendulkar averaged 50+ in England

Debate over

 

[darcytiger]

Ponting was the best bat of his generation. His last few years tainted his record but his very long reign at the top was done while also being captain and batting 3. Something Lara and Tendulkar weren’t able to juggle successfully. And unlike others like Kallis and Dravid he also dominated bowling attacks and set matches up for wins, rather than a more dour occupation of the crease.

Best bat the world has seen since Viv Richards imo


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Black Kahuna Ponting era is what I think of when I close my eyes and thing about cricket. My son (due in September) is to be called Ricky.

 

[MinerBoy]

Ponting averaged 26 in India
Ponting averaged 41 in England

Tendulkar averaged 50+ in Australia
Tendulkar averaged 50+ in England

Debate over

Not really but cheers.

Tendulkar couldn’t do it with the burden of captaincy and while batting in the toughest position.


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[Around the Wicket]

Not really but cheers.

Tendulkar couldn’t do it with the burden of captaincy and while batting in the toughest position.


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If you look at Ponting's record there's alot of gaping holes, for one he averaged in the 30s over his last 4 years.

 

[Kram]

Its england though remember 19 wc? forecasts would be light rain clearing and next thing you know its 5 hours later and still no play.

Forecasts in England are about as reliable as a plumber's estimate.

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

I want to hear Nasser say tongue, heard him commentate on him during the test against Ireland, made me laugh

I thought that Tong guy was Chinese.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Given the match situation, I'm guessing that Tongue won't be mouthing off, or giving our batsmen any lip.

It would all be in cheek surely!

 

[troybe]

I thought that Tong guy was Chinese.

Pretty sure he does the teams BBQ

 

[MinerBoy]

If you look at Ponting's record there's alot of gaping holes, for one he averaged in the 30s over his last 4 years.

Yea he played too long trying to usher in his new generation. His record before that was levels above the rest.


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[BLUEALLTHRU]

Ponting averaged 26 in India
Ponting averaged 41 in England

Tendulkar averaged 50+ in Australia
Tendulkar averaged 50+ in England

Debate over

Is this a mine is bigger competition? Got here just in time then.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

What’s everyone drinking for the 1st session?

I’m having a few Peroni’s and will gently ease into it.

I will raise a glass of whisky for Smudge if he gets there.

 

[swingdog]

What’s everyone drinking for the 1st session?

I’m having a few Peroni’s and will gently ease into it.

I will raise a glass of whisky for Smudge if he gets there.

Off to the pub to watch it - fancy a stout on this sort of night.

 

[grumbleguts]

Ponting averaged 26 in India
Ponting averaged 41 in England

Tendulkar averaged 50+ in Australia
Tendulkar averaged 50+ in England

Debate over

LOL what would Tendulkar average if he were given out LBW in india? It's easy to average the most when the rules don't apply to you.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Off to the pub to watch it - fancy a stout on this sort of night.

Enjoy, sounds like a very good idea.

 

[10Dulkar]

LOL what would Tendulkar average if he were given out LBW in india? It's easy to average the most when the rules don't apply to you.

You obviously never saw Steve Bucknor umpiring.

Lara and Tendulkar weren't great captains but I doubt Ponting would have won too many tests with the likes of Ashish Nehra and Ajit Agarkar.

 

[Plugger35]

What’s everyone drinking for the 1st session?

I’m having a few Peroni’s and will gently ease into it.

I will raise a glass of whisky for Smudge if he gets there.

A few of these liquid life savers.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

A few of these liquid life savers.

 

[troybe]

I think I have a crush on Lou Ransome