3rd Ashes Test England v Australia July 6-10 1930hrs @ Headingley

[Westend]

Warner will be gone soon, but you can explain to me how Green is an improvement from Warner with the bat right now?

Green has a long term future in the team, but he's still guilty of the worst dismissal of the series, at least from us and has looked terrible.

If you're going to drop Warner it needs to be for someone we are confident of seeing off the new ball like he did in the last Test and I don't think there is an option on this tour.

His first test was fine for an allrounder plus he gives you bowling options and his fielding is match winning.

Green has not looked terrible. Had a poor test at Lords but looked good in the first

Warner has consistently been crap for years

 

[Kram]

lol any Test nation would kill to have Marnus.

 

[freo_leo29]

Labuschagne’s overseas record isn’t great, but it also isn’t diabolical.

Who is likely to average more than 36 at number 3 overseas?

Australia’s batting depth is poor.

No poorer than other countries

Marsh and handscomb have shown this recently

 

[Cuzz09]

We need to bat to a score where the Poms either have to bazball to get to it, or there isn't any chance of an overall result or a bit of both.

If the rain is as bad as beaureu is saying there might only be 3 sessions to bat and defend.

Doubt it, I don't trust weather apps, constantly wrong!

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[FredLeDeux]

As in how it works or why they make it that way?

As far as ‘why’ - imagine you’ve got a player who is creaming it and makes a century on day one when the ball is seaming everywhere and his teammates muster up 70 between them.
He gets a duck on the second innings, while a teammate batting on a road gets a century and then gets out.

The first guy could have made 200 for all anyone knows, if his teammates had supported him.

If averages were just calculated on ‘times batted’ he and his teammate would finish that match with the same average even though the first guy was robbed of a chance to have a better average, by his own teammates’ ineptitude.

So that’s the simplest way to explain the ‘fairness’ aspect of it.

The simple logic to it is that the average is calculated by runs per time dismissed. Which is fair as far as I’m concerned

There is a good deal to be said for assessing long-time players' performance by their median scores, rather than by their batting "sort of" average.

 

[Lampers]

No poorer than other countries

Marsh and handscomb have shown this recently

Other countries’ batting depth is irrelevant.

If we are talking Australia’s batting line up and questioning Labuschagne’s position due to his overseas record, who is likely to come in and do better than 36 across varying foreign conditions?

No point dropping a relativey young guy (in cricket terms) when there’s nothing to suggest there’s a superior replacement waiting to come in.

 

[Lampers]

There is a good deal to be said for assessing long-time players' performance by their median scores, rather than by their batting "sort of" average.

Or use the batting ratings, which have a very sophisticated way of assessing performance based upon all sorts of factors.

Mean average and median average are both very blunt measures when there’s something better at hand.

 

[Kram]

Not that he didn't play well and take his chances but Adam Voges averaging 61 isn't very representative.

 

[11kgm]

Ed Cowan has labelled Australia’s star batsman Marnus Labuschagne the luckiest Test cricketer in history after stats revealed he has been dropped 14 times in his 20 Tests.

Luck will eventually run out

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

We can't let them win this match and get some momentum

With weather about we could have batted them out of the game and reclaimed the Ashes

We still can but it has become that much harder

 

[frankrizzo]

Ed Cowan has labelled Australia’s star batsman Marnus Labuschagne the luckiest Test cricketer in history after stats revealed he has been dropped 14 times in his 20 Tests.

Luck will eventually run out

When they showed that stat about times dropped stokes was almost up with marnus and that was before this series where stokes has been dropped I think 5 more times.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Ed Cowan has labelled Australia’s star batsman Marnus Labuschagne the luckiest Test cricketer in history after stats revealed he has been dropped 14 times in his 20 Tests.

Luck will eventually run out

I mean he got dropped this innings. I'm not sure luck has totally ran out.

He just keeps getting out after making starts.

 

[dogs105]

For Old Trafford:


Usman Khawaja
Cam Green
Marnus Labuschagne
Steve Smith
Travis Head
Mitch Marsh
Alex Carey
Pat Cummins
2 of Starc/Hazlewood/Boland/Neser
Murphy

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Warner's retirement tour will continue, no way he gets dropped

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Ed Cowan has labelled Australia’s star batsman Marnus Labuschagne the luckiest Test cricketer in history after stats revealed he has been dropped 14 times in his 20 Tests.

Luck will eventually run out

But a lot of luck goes into getting runs most of the time. How many dropped catches have the useless English fielders so far this series. Almost anyone who has got runs has had that luck.

 

[Around the Wicket]

No poorer than other countries

Marsh and handscomb have shown this recently

it won’t get any better now youngsters have T20 ****ing there techniques

 

[Doodlesweaver]

For Old Trafford:


Usman Khawaja
Cam Green
Marnus Labuschagne
Steve Smith
Travis Head
Mitch Marsh
Alex Carey
Pat Cummins
2 of Starc/Hazlewood/Boland/Neser
Murphy

Head would be a better pick than Green as opener.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Ed Cowan has labelled Australia’s star batsman Marnus Labuschagne the luckiest Test cricketer in history after stats revealed he has been dropped 14 times in his 20 Tests.

Luck will eventually run out

Cowan is a bitter man.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Honestly why is Warner batting a metre at his crease at 36… history shows reflexes go once you hit mid 30s

 

[Around the Wicket]

Cowan is a bitter man.

Not at all... was a common thing getting said early on, few of his biggest scores he was dropped early, some sitters as well.

 

[Some Idiot]

This match has somehow remained on a knife's edge for the whole duration. Today is a critical day, the game could be decided by who comes out on top today

 

[Some Idiot]

Labuschagne is an issue overseas.

Averages 36.

Not good enough for someone batting at #3.

Who would come in? Is there even someone else in the wings capable of averaging 36+ overseas

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Warner's retirement tour will continue, no way he gets dropped

Could see him dropped if he makes no runs next Test and the Ashes are still alive going in to the last Test. Otherwise we are waiting until after the Sydney Test.

Even then I expect him to do a gotcha and reverse his retirement decision.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Who would come in? Is there even someone else in the wings capable of averaging 36+ overseas

I don't think he's suggesting him to be dropped, but just worried that he hasn't been able to have anywhere near the success overseas than he has at home.

 

[CrowBloke]

Warners rubbish batting takes focus off how poor Marnus is going at 3.

The former (Warner failures) is contributing to the latter (Marnus' decline).

Marnus' role at #3 has changed. He's virtually an opener, every time Warner has failed which has been often in the last 2-3 years.
Openers are supposed to take the shine off the ball, tire out the fastest of the opening bowlers a little and set a base upon which numbers 3,4 and 5 can build an innings, not rescue it .
I don't have the raw data, but the number of times Labuschagne and Smith have gone in @ 1-for or 2-for-not-many seems high, and has put unusually higher pressure upon both of them to perform.

Furthermore, a number of Labuschagne's highest scores have been on the back of two, three, even four lives upon which he has usually capitalised. His luck's run out and even when it hasn't, he's blown it.
Look at last night; dropped by Bairstow (good luck) then recklessly slog-sweeping Ali (surely the most benign of Pommie bowlers this game) to Brook the. very. next. ball.
Irresponsible, reckless.