Certified Legendary Thread 4th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy December 26-30 1000hrs @ the MCG

[grumbleguts]

Most of the people questioning Bumrah's action only have a passing interest in cricket. All the cricket people I know feel there's nothing at all wrong with his action.

Wrong, they understand that a) hyperextension of 46 degrees requires resistance to achieve even in EDS sufferers. Air doesn't offer that kind of resistance, a brick wall does. And b) if they have to change the law to say you're not chucking it, then you're chucking it.

 

[PhatBoy]

Wrong, they understand that a) hyperextension of 46 degrees requires resistance to achieve even in EDS sufferers. Air doesn't offer that kind of resistance, a brick wall does. And b) if they have to change the law to say you're not chucking it, then you're chucking it.

So every bowler except Ramnaresh Sarwan was a chucker.

Good to know

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We needed to bowl great to win tomorrow regardless. Having them 1 for 30 overnight while chasing 300 wouldn't have changed that.

At least now we have some protection and India have to really go for it (the carrot is still there for them) if they want to close the series by the end of this Test.

They don't need to win they just need to not lose.

We need to win.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Easy to say when you want entertainment and don't care about the result.

Declaring is to get the result if it works.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

They don't need to win they just need to not lose.

We need to win.

If all they're interested in is the Border Gavaskar trophy, yes. However if they don't want to have to rely on other results to qualify for a World Test Championship final spot at Lords in June, they need to win both this test and in Sydney.

 

[Mr Meow]

They don't need to win they just need to not lose.

We need to win.

We need to not lose actually.

There are a few stupid things to assume:

1. That it is unrealistic to hope to bowl India out in 90ish overs.

2. That a draw tomorrow means the series is over.

3. That setting a 270-300 target (from where we were 7 wickets down) and 5-12 overs bowling to India on day 4 was a gamble automatically worth taking.

As long as nobody makes any of those 3 assumptions then they have a good cricket brain. It in no way guarantees a win tomorrow, but people pretending they had a perfect alternative plan is as cringeworthy as it gets.

 

[Pillarnstones]

Totally uneducated POV. Let's face it our batsmen are no where near as good as they'd like us to think they are and our selectors think our batsmen are much better than the results of their efforts have proven to be.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Most of the people questioning Bumrah's action only have a passing interest in cricket. All the cricket people I know feel there's nothing at all wrong with his action.

So veteran TV and radio sports host Ian Maurice and Sri Lankan cricket journalist Daniel Alexander must be some of the exceptions you had in mind when you said 'most' instead of 'all'.

 

[FreoRicci]

Imagine the crowd if Lyon gets 50. Holy moly.

 

[revo333]

We need to not lose actually.

There are a few stupid things to assume:

1. That it is unrealistic to hope to bowl India out in 90ish overs.

2. That a draw tomorrow means the series is over.

3. That setting a 270-300 target (from where we were 7 wickets down) and 5-12 overs bowling to India on day 4 was a gamble automatically worth taking.

As long as nobody makes any of those 3 assumptions then they have a good cricket brain. It in no way guarantees a win tomorrow, but people pretending they had a perfect alternative plan is as cringeworthy as it gets.

It's how this forum works.

Those wanting the declaration would have been the first to complain if India walked off 0/20.

Watched the highlights and Cummins looks tired and Starc has a niggle. It may have been discussed behind closed doors and maybe the team thought it wasn't worth going out to bowl 4-5 overs to drain more energy.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

They don't need to win they just need to not lose.

We need to win.

Border-Gavaskar is inconsequential. Only this matters.



Avoid losing here or in Sydney then beat SL away and the spot is ours.
We're ahead of India atm who don't play anymore tests after Sydney. Staying ahead then doing the business in SL is all that matters.

We simply must not lose. First priority. If we can win then bonus.

 

[010203]

Saw him in a doco the other day, he's been in a good paddock since his playing days

Darryl Hair looks enormous on that same doco.

 

[Saint12]

Most of the people questioning Bumrah's action only have a passing interest in cricket. All the cricket people I know feel there's nothing at all wrong with his action.

You forgot ....and only watch T20 rubbish

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Border-Gavaskar is inconsequential. Only this matters.



Avoid losing here or in Sydney then beat SL away and the spot is ours.
We're ahead of India atm who don't play anymore tests after Sydney. Staying ahead then doing the business in SL is all that matters.

We simply must not lose. First priority. If we can win then bonus.

How are India even in the hunt after losing to NZ 3-0 at home

 

[Rookie]

How effing good is Bumrah? That spell to destroy our middle order was insane.

Labuschagne's innings took a lot of luck, but it was also a very good knock. Worth a century on another day.

 

[Rookie]

Border-Gavaskar is inconsequential. Only this matters.



Avoid losing here or in Sydney then beat SL away and the spot is ours.
We're ahead of India atm who don't play anymore tests after Sydney. Staying ahead then doing the business in SL is all that matters.

We simply must not lose. First priority. If we can win then bonus.

Beating India puts distance between us and then and should mean we don't need to beat Sri Lanka 2-0.

333 is still a difficult chase, I'm confident we can get the win tomorrow.

 

[greening22]

Couldn’t even get 70 If he had 4 innings

Bring in Beau Webster. Last summer 2023/24, he averaged 58 with the bat in the Sheffield Shield while he took 30 wickets at 29. They appear to be the recent performances of a true all-rounder. Goodnight & good luck.

 

[samFFC]

Being shit for an innings doesn't count as a bowler down. Otherwise, India wouldn't have wasted any time with Siraj today.

There's 90 overs, and Starc and Lyon will certainly have a say in it.

98 overs right?

 

[TheMcManusNose]

So veteran TV and radio sports host Ian Maurice and Sri Lankan cricket journalist Daniel Alexander must be some of the exceptions you had in mind when you said 'most' instead of 'all'.

Not who you're replying to but I've been following cricket since roughly 1993 and have never heard of those campaigners. May as well start naming your family members as well.

 

[Mr Meow]

How are India even in the hunt after losing to NZ 3-0 at home

A very good record before then.

 

[samFFC]

I'm sorry but that wikipedia article is terrible. The accommodation to 15 degrees was sparked by Murali being called again in 2004. That's the Murali 'rule'.

Bending the rules: When the ICC discovered almost every bowler in cricket history had an illegal action

A look back to the time when the ICC realised (almost) every bowler in the world had an illegal action, and decided to change one of cricket’s most controversial rules, incorporating the current 15-degree flexion limit of the bowling arm.

www.wisden.com

This can be in its own thread.
Not relevant to the match.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Why wasn’t play extended during the middle sessions to make up time ?

How many overs were lost to rain? And not bowling min 90 overs ?

 

[nobbyiscool]

I feel like an excited school kid waiting to go on an excursion to the cricket, can't wait to get there today. Sun's already out, not a cloud in the sky, the day is looking like a cracker.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Why wasn’t play extended during the middle sessions to make up time ?

How many overs were lost to rain? And not bowling min 90 overs ?

Play has been extended yesterday and today as far as I’m aware.

 

[Gough]

Morning ladies and gents, let's have it today.