Review AFL Round 11 autopsy - Geelong defeats GWS by 59 points

[Pure_Ownage]

Does Hawkins ruck? Vardy should be played forward for the rest of the season. Lets just gets some games into him before talking cotton wool Pure.

Turbo, did you notice Pods kicked 5 today? We would have lost without him.

He ain't getting turfed for Vardy to be 'protected' as a forward.

And Vardy as the 3rd makes us too top heavy.

Reality is for him to find a regular spot it probably needs to be as the second ruckman, and so he needs to be tested to see if he can endure that, and also the general collisions that come from playing forward etc.

Unfortunately you can't replicate that completely in the twos because there's less mature bodies and the hits aren't at the same speed.

Gotta play him in the 1's and see how the body copes.

I've got no issues with how we've managed him thus far.

 

[footscore]

Catempire demanded Simpson's selection. He was spot on . He should have played.

nah, still a while away and is building fitness at VFL level first.
Giles would have run him ragged today.

He will play the next 2 VFL games and possibly come into contention for the Brisbane match.

 

[fpm84]

Another point - as it stands, we have the second best percentage in the league. Admittedly we have played a game more than most teams, but we've overtaken Essendon's percentage - when we played them in round 7 they were top of the ladder ahead of us on %.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree he's only playing limited time in there.

Correct.

And he's been rucking at vfl level too, so it's not as if they have sent him in cold.

I hope he's not injured, but if he is, it's just awful luck, from a management perspective we've done everything right.

 

[Partridge]

We are crying our for a genuine number 1 ruck to either replace or help West. Vardy will have days like this, but he needs to be able to demonstrate some ruck prowess to secure a position.

West had 42 hitouts today. Despite Brereton's appalling biased commentary the ruck duels were pretty even all day.

Mitch Brown really did not do enough in defensive strucuture and exposed Lonergan more than Scott would be comfortable with.

That's hilarious. Lonergan was beaten for speed by Cameron in one-on-one contests - but it's Brown's fault? Gold.

 

[Partridge]

Correct.

And he's been rucking at vfl level too, so it's not as if they have sent him in cold.

I hope he's not injured, but if he is, it's just awful luck, from a management perspective we've done everything right.

Yep, and if anything has happened, it's the club's fault. They've rested a key defender and a ruckman. They're the risks you take.

 

[Partridge]

Smedts Stringer Guthrie West and Brown very disappointing..

Our dependable players stood up when it counted, we all know who they are..

Josh Hunt has played 2 full games now and been in our best for both.. So much for not being in our best 22 eh..

Agree on Smedts. Disagree on all the others, they all showed a bit or played their role.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Before Sept. Its a concern now. We have to have it sorted by R16,R18
I think they made an error at the selection table this week. Catempire demanded Simpson's selection. He was spot on . He should have played. Vardy Hawkins and Jpod is not convincing me but Vardy in the ruck even less so.
Then we are weeks,(hopefully )from getting something out of Hmac.

If anything , we really missed the Ballroom today. I didn't think we would but we did. West did himself no favours

Giles undoubtedly did better down on the ground and around the ground than West, but we might as well get some facts out there, at least on the hitouts.
1/2 time Geelong led 26-20 (West 18, Giles 18)
3/4 time West 30, Giles 31
Full time Geelong led 53-48 (West 42, Giles 41)
Listening to the commentators (especially Shaw), Giles played like another Polly Farmer. Sometimes it pays to actually watch rather than listen.

 

[Micksy]

you cant please some people it seems.

Others can be pleased quite easily.

 

[footscore]

West had 42 hitouts today. Despite Brereton's appalling biased commentary the ruck duels were pretty even all day.

to be fair, it seemed as though West had about 15 of those in the last quarter when Giles was completely buggered.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

That's hilarious. Lonergan was beaten for speed by Cameron in one-on-one contests - but it's Brown's fault? Gold.

And the little things too, like when the ball was bombed in to Pods in the third quarter, as he was wrestling Gilham and Brown just parked himself 2-3m behind them, to block Scully from getting a run to spoil. Very likely that it would have been rushed through, if Brown hadn't made the effort to get his teammate the goal.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Before Sept. Its a concern now. We have to have it sorted by R16,R18
I think they made an error at the selection table this week. Catempire demanded Simpson's selection. He was spot on . He should have played. Vardy Hawkins and Jpod is not convincing me but Vardy in the ruck even less so.
Then we are weeks,(hopefully )from getting something out of Hmac.

If anything , we really missed the Ballroom today. I didn't think we would but we did. West did himself no favours

watching the game he looked to get beaten quite badly west, but the stats say he had 1 more hitout that giles, i think what made him look so badly beaten during the game was the amount of quality tap downs to advantage giles had

the hit outs west gets next to his name are just too scrapped and ill directed, you compare that today to the amount of quality tap downs to advantage giles had and it makes it look lop sided

they were discussing it towards the end of the last quarter dermie and shaw about how much of a concern our ruck division is and will be against the quality sides

i would be really interested to see the stat for hitouts to advantage this season, my guess is we would be down in the bottom four if not last for this stat

how quick would you like to see mcintosh back in? i would even say after 1 VFL game put him back in and have him build up his fitness at AFL over 6-8 games and find some red hot form coming into the finals rather than a solid month at VFL

 

[Vdubs]

I'm pleased with a 10 goal win given our start. We won 3Q with 8 of our best 22 missing, as Dwayne kept telling us. And losing SJ/Bundy didn't stop our momentum.
Corey and Bartel were way below their best, yet last week they starred. Maybe we have to expect that with our ageing stars.
Josh Hunt again confirmed he is best 22. Easily. Class, strength, efficiency.
Best game for the year by Murdoch.
Guthrie did all he was asked to, ditto BROWN.
West toiled virtually solo all day, as always.
Vardy- I expect nothing from him, so being on the ground is a bonus.
Hawkins was held, and seemed restricted in his efforts.
Mackie was his usual very effective self.
Pods was excellent. Still has first grab on a KF spot in our team, after Hawkins.
Smedts very quiet until junk time.
We sorely missed Harry, Motlop, and the other 6 best 22, and we get a 10 goal win after being 5 goals down.
I would rather have Blicavs in for the rest of this season with West, unless HMc can get his body right. Vardy may be a week to week proposition. As is HMc. We are longing for players who historically are very iffy- that is my main worry; we may have to get used to sporadic performances from Vardy, Varcoe, Chappy, HMc, and any more is a bonus.

 

[footscore]

Giles undoubtedly did better down on the ground and around the ground than West, but we might as well get some facts out there, at least on the hitouts.
1/2 time Geelong led 26-20 (West 18, Giles 18)
3/4 time West 30, Giles 31
Full time Geelong led 53-48 (West 42, Giles 41)
Listening to the commentators (especially Shaw), Giles played like another Polly Farmer. Sometimes it pays to actually watch rather than listen.

well there ya go, I felt he was beaten for most of the 3 quarters by Giles but those numbers are very surprising.

West did get some help from Vardy though.

 

[Partridge]

Does Hawkins ruck? Vardy should be played forward for the rest of the season. Lets just gets some games into him before talking cotton wool Pure.

Ok, so who goes out - Hawkins or Pods? Both are miles ahead of Vardy now, and today followed up the North and Gold Coast games by demonstrating pretty damn convincingly that you cannot play 3 tall forwards. It just doesn't work. It's almost as if they want certain players in the seniors and are prepared to forsake team balance or common sense to do that. All three of those games we were in real trouble until they added run and removed a big guy. Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

[Partridge]

to be fair, it seemed as though West had about 15 of those in the last quarter when Giles was completely buggered.

Did they? Tough shit. The game goes for four quarters, not three.

 

[Micksy]

I always find it easier to criticise than to praise.

After 11 rounds I'm happy to be 10-1. I would have thought we'd be 6-5 back in March.

 

[Partridge]

Giles undoubtedly did better down on the ground and around the ground than West, but we might as well get some facts out there, at least on the hitouts.
1/2 time Geelong led 26-20 (West 18, Giles 18)
3/4 time West 30, Giles 31
Full time Geelong led 53-48 (West 42, Giles 41)
Listening to the commentators (especially Shaw), Giles played like another Polly Farmer. Sometimes it pays to actually watch rather than listen.

West also kicked a goal; Giles didn't.

But when discussing West, much like Mitch Brown, facts don't really come into it.

 

[vinum coupe]

People sometimes seem to lose perspective of the team that's on the park

We see the teams come out and think "oh we lost Harry and Blitz, that's not bad, we can cover that"

Go deeper.

H. Taylor
P. Chapman
T. Varcoe
T. Hunt
J. Rivers
S. Motlop

Unknown importance
Hmac
J. Caddy
M. Blicavs
GHS


There's a fair bit of selection flexibility right there !

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Ok, so who goes out - Hawkins or Pods? Both are miles ahead of Vardy now, and today followed up the North and Gold Coast games by demonstrating pretty damn convincingly that you cannot play 3 tall forwards. It just doesn't work. It's almost as if they want certain players in the seniors and are prepared to forsake team balance or common sense to do that. All three of those games we were in real trouble until they added run and removed a big guy. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Compared to everyone else, I'd say the bye (in both the AFL and VFL) has come at a bad time for Vardy and Simpson. Right now, I'd be in favour of the West/Simpson combo against the Lions (minus Leuenberger). If Simpson plays well tomorrow, he must come under serious consideration.

 

[SuperCats9]

I thought Thurlow panicked too much. To be expected though

Vardy was seen limping. Not good.

Overall I'm fine with that result. Pretty good work by Scott to switch them on. Because they were completely switched off.
Respect to GWS, they put in a great effort.

I saw that too, hopefully he wasn't subbed because of an injury, but that looks the likely reason, hopefully his hip is ok.

 

[Partridge]

well there ya go, I felt he was beaten for most of the 3 quarters by Giles but those numbers are very surprising.

West did get some help from Vardy though.

Vardy had 6 hitouts. Not much help.

Did anyone notice the tapout from West to Kelly late in the last quarter? He jumped much higher than Giles, and flipped it perfectly over his head to Kelly - and we got a goal from it. Anyone notice that? Thought not. Anyone notice how much fitter you must be to ruck all game, ruck solo through the last quarter (remember Vardy was subbed out by then), and still jump over your opponent?

Again, thought not.

 

[vinum coupe]

West had 42 hitouts today. Despite Brereton's appalling biased commentary the ruck duels were pretty even all day.




That's hilarious. Lonergan was beaten for speed by Cameron in one-on-one contests - but it's Brown's fault? Gold.

To be fair, Cameron did the same thing to Brown.

 

[Vdubs]

To be fair, Cameron did the same thing to Brown.

Cameron is a rare talent. Why would GWS want all 3 of Buddy, Cameron and Patton?
Maybe Buddy will play key defence?

 

[vinum coupe]

Vardy had 6 hitouts. Not much help.

Did anyone notice the tapout from West to Kelly late in the last quarter?

More importantly did you also notice West putting it straight down the throat of a GWS player in the last?
I thought West was ok, but let's not get carried away