Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Saint]

Is there data to back this up? Not being facetious just curious.

The smoothed line looks a lot better than the last two data points....

Swinging voters don't really reflect on if they're better off or not until close to the election. The chart behind him in the interview is what voters will be making their decision on. Everyone except the top minority are worse off since Albanese came to Government.
And he simply hasn't done enough.

 

[Saint]

Albanese miles better than anything Dutton has to offer.

For many people though opposition promises and talk are always better than what is currently on offer. Then the cycle repeats 4 years later.

3 years. That's part of the problem.

Hopefully we get a minority Govt.

 

[Kram]

Albanese miles better than anything Dutton has to offer.

For many people though opposition promises and talk are always better than what is currently on offer. Then the cycle repeats 4 years later.

I'll still vote for Albo given the choice but he and Labor are not 'miles' better than the opposition.

That's the real problem, both parties are now so similar it barely matters who is in office anymore unfortunately.

 

[zumahawk]

3 years. That's part of the problem.

Hopefully we get a minority Govt.

3 years* oops.

 

[zumahawk]

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The smoothed line looks a lot better than the last two data points....

Swinging voters don't really reflect on if they're better off or not until close to the election. The chart behind him in the interview is what voters will be making their decision on. Everyone except the top minority are worse off since Albanese came to Government.
And he simply hasn't done enough.

Maybe you're right that he hasn't done enough. Either did Scomo or Turnball etc and the pattern continues if Albo is ousted. Still think the amount of seats Liberals need to turn is too many. My money is on hung parliament.

 

[Saint]

Maybe you're right that he hasn't done enough. Either did Scomo or Turnball etc and the pattern continues if Albo is ousted. Still think the amount of seats Liberals need to turn is too many. My money is on hung parliament.

Scomo and Turnbull didn't have the same cost-of-living problems. Sure they were stifling wage growth deliberately, but growth was still happening, and that's why they kept getting voted in.

People not paying attention to legislation or politics just vote on the outcomes, they don't sift through the economics to find out the root causes.

There will be a swing away from the ALP, according to the polls, it's just unclear where it's going to land 2PP. And how many more independents get involved.

 

[Gough]

This is probably quite shrewd as it will provide some clear differences in policy from the opposition on the issue.

Australia backs UN resolution recognising ‘permanent sovereignty’ of Palestinians in major departure

Vote cast with 158 other countries to recognise ‘permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory’

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[faible]

I'll still vote for Albo given the choice but he and Labor are not 'miles' better than the opposition.

That's the real problem, both parties are now so similar it barely matters who is in office anymore unfortunately.

Don't get tricked in to thinking this.

No, neither are doing 'enough' for the average person. But there's a pretty clear and substantial difference at a macro level between the two.

Macro policy doesn't always filter through to the average person quickly, but over time it matters.

For example, the current housing market is the product of legislation made way back in the late 90s and decisions made over the next ~ 25 years.

A lot of the western world is struggling with growing inequality between the wealthy and the rest, America is the most extreme example of this, but the LNP would pursue the same path if they could, which is a disaster for anyone who's not already wealthy.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Don't get tricked in to thinking this.

No, neither are doing 'enough' for the average person. But there's a pretty clear and substantial difference at a macro level between the two.

Macro policy doesn't always filter through to the average person quickly, but over time it matters.

For example, the current housing market is the product of legislation made way back in the late 90s and decisions made over the next ~ 25 years.

A lot of the western world is struggling with growing inequality between the wealthy and the rest, America is the most extreme example of this, but the LNP would pursue the same path if they could, which is a disaster for anyone who's not already wealthy.

I wonder when we start calling out the "cost of living crisis" for what it really is?

Gross profiteering by large corporations.
I'm not sure any Western country government regardless its stripes can reign that in now that they've all signed up to globalisation

 

[zumahawk]

This is probably quite shrewd as it will provide some clear differences in policy from the opposition on the issue.

Australia backs UN resolution recognising ‘permanent sovereignty’ of Palestinians in major departure

Vote cast with 158 other countries to recognise ‘permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory’

www.theguardian.com

It's a great move. Decisions like this are on the right side of history and will win votes from the 'left' and centre. Not that votes are everything.

 

[faible]

I wonder when we start calling out the "cost of living crisis" for what it really is?

Gross profiteering by large corporations.
I'm not sure any Western country government regardless its stripes can reign that in now that they've all signed up to globalisation

Agreed.

Profits not wages driving inflation, pushing RBA 'closer to a pause' on interest rates

Increasing profits going to corporate Australia account for more than two-thirds of the nation's inflation problem, according to new research from the Australia Institute.

www.abc.net.au

The RBA only has one lever to pull, and that's smashing mortgage holders which generally means middle-income households.

Meanwhile, corproate profits drive the majority of inflation.

The Government could attempt to do something about it, but they prefer to let the RBA smash younger mortgage holders and pass the blame on to them and keep the big corporates happy.

There's plenty of ways Governments could try and approach it to at least see if they could do something.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

It's a great move. Decisions like this are on the right side of history and will win votes from the 'left' and centre. Not that votes are everything.

It is. But has a potential to blow up in thier face. Particularly in the working class vote who still feel like they're being ignored

 

[zumahawk]

It is. But has a potential to blow up in thier face. Particularly in the working class vote who still feel like they're being ignored

I'm the working class and I'm not being ignored. I think that's an idea that's crept into politics here from abroad. Certain demographics always feel like they're being ignored.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I'm the working class and I'm not being ignored. I think that's an idea that's crept into politics here from abroad. Certain demographics always feel like they're being ignored.

It is getting more traction and getting picked up in the polling. Moreso post trump.

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Kos Samaras explained it a bit.

All Labor has to do is acknowledge the working class and thier struggles more.

 

[Saint]

I'm the working class and I'm not being ignored. I think that's an idea that's crept into politics here from abroad. Certain demographics always feel like they're being ignored.

For the last 20 years, the lower and middle class have been losing their share of profits to the upper 20% and overseas interests.

I'm middle class, and I supported changes to the Stage 3 tax cuts even though they were a net negative for me.

But mine (and everyone my age and in my friendship group) are worse off over the last 3 years, especially the ones who earn less than I do.

We don't talk politics, but I wouldn't think they felt like this ALP Govt has done anything for them. I certainly don't.

 

[Not Important]

it’s taken too long, but at long last, we seem to be doing the honourable, humane and right thing.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

That msm is bad isn't the issue.

It is your naive belief that alternative social media isn't both significantly objectively worse, and much easier for political parties to manipulate and control.

If your a partisan political hack looking to corrupt a political process and distort and manipulate legitimate political discourse, social media is manna from heaven.

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I know what the issue is, you’re the one who totally missed the point and went off on some bizarro rant.

And social media sites are easier for political parties to manipulate and control than traditional media outlets…. That’s quite a take

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The Liberals say they have a nuclear plan - fact (they are saying that)

The Liberals have not released much detail on their nuclear plan (some judgement there, but I am happy for that to be categorised as fact)

The Liberals have not released much detail on their nuclear plan because there is no plan - opinion unless verified sources prove this is the case per long-standing journalistic standards (multiple internal sources confirming this to a journalist)

At the very least, getting our news from social media doesn't do us any better than what the traditional media was doing for us before social media existed. It's a breeding ground for misinformation, opinion dressed up as verified fact, and conspiracy theories that never would have been tolerated when newspapers were king.

I also wouldn’t discount how much politics has devolved since newspapers were king. Of course it was never perfect, far from it, but it was never the absolute announce-everything, do-absolutely-nothing horseshit that we have now.

Perhaps it’s semantics but I’m more than comfortable with the statement that “there is no plan” until they actually present the plan. That’s reflective of reality.

Equally happy to hear “we’re working on a plan and will present it”. But that’s not what they do or say. Because politics today is all performative shit, they literally stand up at press conferences and say these things exist, when they clearly do not. It’s a talking point and probably 300 words of buzzword horseshit that’s ChatGPT could churn out.

If some want to call that an actual plan then that’s for them. In the same sense, I have a plan to sleep with Sydney Sweeney before the end of 2024. Details are incoming but rest assured, I have a plan.

Of course, back in reality… I don’t.

 

[JackOutback]

Agreed.

Profits not wages driving inflation, pushing RBA 'closer to a pause' on interest rates

Increasing profits going to corporate Australia account for more than two-thirds of the nation's inflation problem, according to new research from the Australia Institute.

www.abc.net.au

The RBA only has one lever to pull, and that's smashing mortgage holders which generally means middle-income households.

Meanwhile, corproate profits drive the majority of inflation.

The Government could attempt to do something about it, but they prefer to let the RBA smash younger mortgage holders and pass the blame on to them and keep the big corporates happy.

There's plenty of ways Governments could try and approach it to at least see if they could do something.

To be fair, the current government is bringing in more tax from corporations than previous governments and has brought in a global minimum tax. That's something but you would barely hear about it.

 

[The Punter]

I also wouldn’t discount how much politics has devolved since newspapers were king. Of course it was never perfect, far from it, but it was never the absolute announce-everything, do-absolutely-nothing horseshit that we have now.

Perhaps it’s semantics but I’m more than comfortable with the statement that “there is no plan” until they actually present the plan. That’s reflective of reality.

Equally happy to hear “we’re working on a plan and will present it”. But that’s not what they do or say. Because politics today is all performative shit, they literally stand up at press conferences and say these things exist, when they clearly do not. It’s a talking point and probably 300 words of buzzword horseshit that’s ChatGPT could churn out.

If some want to call that an actual plan then that’s for them. In the same sense, I have a plan to sleep with Sydney Sweeney before the end of 2024. Details are incoming but rest assured, I have a plan.

Of course, back in reality… I don’t.

Without necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with any of that, if you are comfortable with "there is no plan" with regards to the Liberal's nuclear policy, then in the interest of consistency, it would also be fair comment to say the current government has no plan to address the cost of living.

 

[faible]

To be fair, the current government is bringing in more tax from corporations than previous governments and has brought in a global minimum tax. That's something but you would barely hear about it.

That piece of legislation passed with nary a mention.

In a US style system where you have no real choice but to vote for one of the two majors the ALP are clearly less-bad than the LNP for the average person.

The LNP are very effective at tricking people in to thinking otherwise, but their policies really don't stand up to any level of analysis or scrutiny when it comes to helping out low or middle income Australians.

Fortunately, our system means we can vote for Independents and see if they get up before dropping the majors in on preferencing.

 

[faible]

For the last 20 years, the lower and middle class have been losing their share of profits to the upper 20% and overseas interests.

I'm middle class, and I supported changes to the Stage 3 tax cuts even though they were a net negative for me.

But mine (and everyone my age and in my friendship group) are worse off over the last 3 years, especially the ones who earn less than I do.

We don't talk politics, but I wouldn't think they felt like this ALP Govt has done anything for them. I certainly don't.

The RBA jacking up interest rates would have hit the hip pocket of a lot of people to a far greater extent than tax cuts helped it.

Our system is falling to keep up with the level of wealth inequality and globalisation, and neither major party is doing a lot to change that.

The LNP won't do a thing about it.

The ALP might do some stuff around the edges, but I don't think they offer any kind of radically economically progressive agenda for change which is IMO what needs to be considered.

Our system isn't at all equipped to handle the insane levels of assets and wealth a small portion of society has, and the level of ability for major companies to profit shift off-shore.

 

[Balls In]

We have two parties fighting over the wheel as we approach the cliff and neither are competent drivers. However it's now 6 consecutive quarters of our living standards collapsing under Labor - enough is enough. Australia is significantly poorer now and we will never recover that drop. It's something like 10% per capita drop in real incomes which is astonishing.

 

[Saint]

The RBA jacking up interest rates would have hit the hip pocket of a lot of people to a far greater extent than tax cuts helped it.

Our system is falling to keep up with the level of wealth inequality and globalisation, and neither major party is doing a lot to change that.

The LNP won't do a thing about it.

The ALP might do some stuff around the edges, but I don't think they offer any kind of radically economically progressive agenda for change which is IMO what needs to be considered.

Our system isn't at all equipped to handle the insane levels of assets and wealth a small portion of society has, and the level of ability for major companies to profit shift off-shore.

The LNP exacerbate it by deliberately suppressing wages so that money goes to profits instead of workers.

The ALP does only meddle rather than getting in there and doing anything.

GDP figures just announced, 0.3% this quarter, so the per-capita recession rolls on.


And like clockwork, we're going to hear the ALP blame the RBA as if they're not involved at all.

 

[Sttew]

I wonder when we start calling out the "cost of living crisis" for what it really is?

Gross profiteering by large corporations.
I'm not sure any Western country government regardless its stripes can reign that in now that they've all signed up to globalisation

Do you really believe what you posted? Do you believe inflation, which is behind the cost of living crisis, is solely caused by "Gross profiteering by large corporations"?

Australia’s cost-of-living crisis has reached a critical juncture

Without policies to raise productivity, fiscal spending will increase inflation and require higher interest rates or higher inflation if interest rates do not respond.

www.afr.com