Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[FlowersByIrene]

Only those with the financial wherewithal to study should be allowed to study?

How... feudal of you.

The whole point of HECS is that you pay for it once you get a job, thereby it allows those without the financial wherewithal to achieve an education and pay for it once they have the benefit of that education.

Wiping that debt encourages those who don't use that education and rewards those that aren't contributing to society from their education.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

What about state owned nuclear plants that no one wants.

Doesn't the left want state owned resources?

You're right, I'd prefer privately run power plants because they would be more efficient.

But I'll take state owned power plants as a back up given they're far superior to solar or wind.

 

[Taylor]

Wiping that debt encourages those who don't use that education and rewards those that aren't contributing to society from their education.

Why does the nation need a return on that investment at all??

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Why does the nation need a return on that investment at all??

Because economic growth is better for all, it raises the standard of living, promotes spending which pays the wages of the cleaners, the corner store owners and the small business. You have no return on investment the economy stagnates and people are incentivised to hoard wealth, cutting down on investments and spending and therefore reducing the money available for those who need to sweat to earn a living.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Also note how this thread has shifted quickly from Upgrade Albo and his bribery scandal so quickly. You've all fallen for this trap. Never forget - Albanese is a thief.

 

[Taylor]

Because economic growth is better for all, it raises the standard of living, promotes spending which pays the wages of the cleaners, the corner store owners and the small business. You have no return on investment the economy stagnates and people are incentivised to hoard wealth, cutting down on investments and spending and therefore reducing the money available for those who need to sweat to earn a living.

Why can't the government just borrow more money to fund those social programs and pay to put moderate to high achievers into academic busywork for three to five years?

 

[eddiesmith]

Group in power promise to do something they have another six months to do if you give them another go at the job.

Pretty classic election maneuver. I wonder if those people with student loan debts will forget about the government's support of Israel over this.

Yeah it’s a tough one for the young people, less debt or support for a conflict on the other side of the world, hard to gauge which one would sway someone’s vote…

 

[Gethelred]

The whole point of HECS is that you pay for it once you get a job, thereby it allows those without the financial wherewithal to achieve an education and pay for it once they have the benefit of that education.

Wiping that debt encourages those who don't use that education and rewards those that aren't contributing to society from their education.

... FBI, did you follow the post quoted, which AvantGardener has already clarified wasn't quite what they meant?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Group in power promise to do something they have another six months to do if you give them another go at the job.

Pretty classic election maneuver. I wonder if those people with student loan debts will forget about the government's support of Israel over this.

As long as they put LNP last, does it really matter?

 

[Taylor]

As long as they put LNP last, does it really matter?

It might cost the Greens some seats, which is where I think that ALP protest vote will mostly go. Perhaps to that single issue Islam party if it gets off the ground.

 

[AvantGardener]

... FBI, did you follow the post quoted, which AvantGardener has already clarified wasn't quite what they meant?

FBI and myself are perfectly on the same page! In a subject that is only being talked about because of possible HELP debt write offs we are both talking about HELP debt write offs rather than trying to change topic to merits of CSP and future HELP accumulation topics.

 

[nut]

Doesn't the left want state owned resources?

You're right, I'd prefer privately run power plants because they would be more efficient.

But I'll take state owned power plants as a back up given they're far superior to solar or wind.

So when no private company anywhere wants to invest in Nuclear you want socialism …, just because you have no idea about solar and wind and storage.

 

[Taylor]

I think social services like power and water should be able to run at a loss. Certainly prefer the people are given affordable energy and water over the government partnering with wealthy people who then control the people's access to it and the prices for it.

Government supplying would also encourage them to find the most cost effective solution to deliver it reliably. Biggest risk is that the government would also be more vulnerable to activism of the day pushing the social need into political pawn territory.

 

[Rotayjay]

I like the idea of free child care for working Australian families but how do we stop the child care centre owners from continuing their price hikes and massive profits.

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Theoretically the government could turn around and say we are not increasing your funding. But that could lead to centre closures if they genuinely have higher costs than what the government will pay for.

 

[Rotayjay]

They shouldn’t be private … they should be government owned

As a leftist, I believe the following should be entirely government-owned:

-Child care
-Schools
-Health care
-TAFE
-Universities
-Electricity
-Gas
-Water
-Internet
-Roads
-Public transport
-Dentistry

A lot of inequality and ****ing around would be saved.

 

[burge13]

So when no private company anywhere wants to invest in Nuclear you want socialism …, just because you have no idea about solar and wind and storage.

They are overseas. Amazon, Microsoft etc are building their own to power their data centres

Begs the question why it's ok for the biggest companies in the world and not us? (I have NFI, or care what powers us as long as bills come down which they havent. Just interesting very wealthy and successful people are going that route while our merry men of idiot politicians argue over it)

 

[FlowersByIrene]

... FBI, did you follow the post quoted, which AvantGardener has already clarified wasn't quite what they meant?

Yeah, apologies, realised you two were misunderstanding each other after I posted this

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They are overseas. Amazon, Microsoft etc are building their own to power their data centres

Begs the question why it's ok for the biggest companies in the world and not us? (I have NFI, or care what powers us as long as bills come down which they havent. Just interesting very wealthy and successful people are going that route while our merry men of idiot politicians argue over it)

Because Gina is trying to get Dutton to build them for her.

 

[peetoo]

Also note how this thread has shifted quickly from Upgrade Albo and his bribery scandal so quickly. You've all fallen for this trap. Never forget - Albanese is a thief.

Because it was irrelevant in todays climate?

 

[Rob R]

As a leftist, I believe the following should be entirely government-owned:

-Child care
-Schools
-Health care
-TAFE
-Universities
-Electricity
-Gas
-Water
-Internet
-Roads
-Public transport
-Dentistry

A lot of inequality and ****ing around would be saved.

I'm a rightist and my only disagreement with you would be to add ports and airfields to the list

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[FlowersByIrene]

Because it was irrelevant in todays climate?

Sure... a leftist would say that the quality of their leader is irrelevant.

 

[eddiesmith]

Sure... a leftist would say that the quality of their leader is irrelevant.

What’s far more important is does he properly cook chicken?

 

[Festerz]

As a leftist, I believe the following should be entirely government-owned:

-Child care
-Schools
-Health care
-TAFE
-Universities
-Electricity
-Gas
-Water
-Internet
-Roads
-Public transport
-Dentistry

A lot of inequality and ****ing around would be saved.

I'm a rightist and my only disagreement with you would be to add ports and airfields to the list

Good on the both of you for putting on your guernseys and outing which tribe you play for.

Would be interested to hear from the both of you the principles that you use to determine what should be owned, funded and controlled by the federal Government using taxpayer funds.

Take 'health care' for example. Surely your not suggesting every aspect of health care should be government owned. So where do you draw the line and why?

 

[Gavin Excell]

The cosy Liberal media don't want to go near it but really Labor should smash the coalition on the nuclear policy. It's a terrible policy - with massive holes and questions- if they can't prosecute that line they don't deserve to win another term

 

[Festerz]

The cosy Liberal media don't want to go near it but really Labor should smash the coalition on the nuclear policy. It's a terrible policy - with massive holes and questions- if they can't prosecute that line they don't deserve to win another term

I thought they already have. But maybe, as you say, sections of the media just aren't reporting it?