Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[Gralin]

I know you love a bit of both-sidesism, 'they're all as bad as each other', but this government has not been as terrible as the one the came before. It might be disappointing that they haven't done more but it's certainly better than an alternative government that would have done worse. Here's the list of what the government says it has achieved, I know you can run it down line by line and say it coulda woulda shoulda been more, but I'll still take incremental change over the shit the previous government was handing down.

I love these little lists because they sound good on paper

Cheaper childcare and pay rise for child care workers

do we actually have cheaper childcare or did the government subsidise center profits?

Tripling the bulk billing incentive

hows that working out for people?

Reduction in price for PBS subsidised meds and extension of dispensing meds to 60 days

and a bunch of other meds got more expensive and or removed from pbs

Paid domestic carers leave

how does that work in real terms, who can access it, does it help

most announcements like this 90% of people are not eligible for and the kind of people who you think would be eligible largely are not

Largest increase in cancer nurses

meaning?

180,000 fee free TAFE places

cool and how much have fees gone up by and how much HELP debt do people have?

58 new urgent care clinics

and they've done what again

the health systems nationally are absolutely screwed

people are paying more out of pocket than ever to get medical care

Improved worker conditions (same job, same pay and right to disconnect)

cool i have noticed zero improvement in my working conditions and I am far from alone in this

headlines are great, announcements are great

but outcomes are all that really matter

Restoring trade to China and ending tariffs on products

doesnt impact most voters

Two surpluses.

two budgets where they have left people behind to get a surplus

honestly the only people that crow about this are people that are well off or stupid

in a cost of living and housing crisis the government saved billions that could have been spent on supporting people

yeah such a win

Tweaked the stage three tax cuts

that they never should have implemented

they're still bad just less bad, its not a win

I didn't include the Robodebt Royal Commission and anti-corruption commission because you could absolutely argue they have done nothing, or the NDIS changes because while managing costs is essential, it's effectively been a cut for many people.

they've not done anything
in fact Services Australia has gotten worse under labor
government services are failing but hey we got a surplus or two yeah

cant get your baby on your medicare card for 6+ months and have massive out of pocket medical expenses etc

You can also argue that they have brought inflation down without slashing government services, something the Liberals almost certainly would have done. Now, they could have done more, but that would have also blown out debts, turned the surplus into a deficit, and probably also cost them the election as 'bad money managers'. I'm happy to pressure the government to do more and their initial pledges for the upcoming election suggest they know they have to use this foundation to address the fact that many people are worse off before because of cost of living, but it's not they have done nothing, it's just you don't think it's enough. I still think it's better than the only practical alternative and would tell others so.

if you are arguing they haven't slashed government services then I can only assume you a) don't use any b) don't know anyone who does and c) don't read anything at all about the issues

but the very bottom line is the real issue

the fact is that more people are worse off now than they were 4 years ago

your list means nothing to these people

all that matters is they are worse off

and who was in power while they were worse off

all your list does is piss those people off thats it

and then you will blame them for not voting for who you want, when who you want hasn't done jack shit to be worth voting for

we vote governments out in this country, Labor are well on their way to being voted out


because for the majority of people life is not better, the majority of policy labor has announced has been ineffective or bad or both

its all about headlines with no substance, no real change, tinkering around the edges to be seen to do something

great but when most voters dont see the benefit they call bullshit on your policy


thats the thing you aren't getting

I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about what has happened everywhere and is going to happen here next year

the incumbent is going to be punished by the voters for how those voters lives are going and labor has done nothing to change that

people saying how can you vote for Dutton he's worse are missing the point entirely of how the majority will vote and why

 

[peetoo]

And here's the tender listing, so enjoy verifying your age before watching that pr0n guys!

Has been the case in UK for a while now. They no longer require passport number or similar to get a SIM card. Aus alone is dumb in that regard. Most of those world has moved on

 

[King Patty]

Seems like a good excuse to get off social media. I'll be fairly happy to say bye bye to my FB

are you happy to give up big footy?, or will you verify identity to login?

 

[MarcMaverick]

We need an Alex Ancic or Gerrard Rennick or a Pauliine Hanson. Ridiculous that I had to write that.

 

[faible]

cool i have noticed zero improvement in my working conditions and I am far from alone in this

headlines are great, announcements are great

but outcomes are all that really matter

I was talking to someone from a major national airline, and this has actually come in to play for that organisation.

 

[T2B_]

are you happy to give up big footy?, or will you verify identity to login?

Does it include old style forums like BigFooty? I admit I haven't read how deep it goes.

But it would be bye BigFooty sadly.

 

[MarcMaverick]

This will never go ahead, it will fail somewhere before implementation

If YT and whatsapp still worked I'd be fine with this going through. #RIPFacebook

You underestimate 2 things

1) The Gross Govt Overreach/creep/ encroachment on peoples freedoms

2) The willingness of dopey Aussies to subjugation and compliance to forego freedoms for "safety". ANZACs didn't sacrifice themselves for this.

Remember COVID?

 

[peetoo]

Good luck expecting every last voter to benefit from every last policy.

I don’t really think I’m worse off than 4 years ago. You have to take a balanced approach to playing your vote

But whatever I vote I promise I will put the LNP last. They are loopier and or more dangerous than the freaks we used to put last

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Does it include old style forums like BigFooty? I admit I haven't read how deep it goes.

But it would be bye BigFooty sadly.

Absolutely it does. It is drafted broadly enough to capture any:

• forum such as BigFooty or reddit; and
• any messaging service, such as Whatsapp, Telgram; and
• even any platform with a comment section - technically captures any news site with a comment section, Youtube with its comment sections, even places, cough, such as pron-sites, with their comment sections.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Bloody Uniparty BS!

 

[Gralin]

I was talking to someone from a major national airline, and this has actually come in to play for that organisation.

I'm sure there are people that are impacted by the change and I'm not arguing that it is a bad change

I'm saying if it doesn't impact enough people it won't be a vote winner

It also depends whether people give labor any credit for the change at their workplace

which I'm not sure a lot of people will even if they get an improvement out of it

 

[burge13]

You underestimate 2 things

1) The Gross Govt Overreach/creep/ encroachment on peoples freedoms

2) The willingness of dopey Aussies to subjugation and compliance to forego freedoms for "safety". ANZACs didn't sacrifice themselves for this.

Remember COVID?

Agree but this one doesn't pass the pub test at all and I dont see anyway possible it gets rolled out in its current form.

I'm also kind of OK if it does. The sooner social media dies the better... I'll miss shitposting here but oh well and I have zero doubts I'll access youtube easily anyway

On top of this, the people are always ahead of the lawmakers on this shit. For example, SA residents are banned by law from betting on MMA yet I can. I haven't paid for a PPV in years and get free Kayo/Netflix etc.

I think you're underestimating

A) government ineptitude to actually roll this out successfully
B) the savviness discrepancy between the public and the politicians

 

[peetoo]

I’m reminded of the baby bonus which came in well after out two were born. Some policy may annoy people more

I’m wondering if voters just turning 18 who have had traumatic social media experience younger might look positively on the policy

 

[Gralin]

Good luck expecting every last voter to benefit from every last policy.

I don’t really think I’m worse off than 4 years ago. You have to take a balanced approach to playing your vote

But whatever I vote I promise I will put the LNP last. They are loopier and or more dangerous than the freaks we used to put last

I'm not saying everyone has to benefit from every policy

I'm saying people questioning how people could vote for the coalition over Labor are looking at the wrong things and they've got multiple examples in other western democracies over the last 12 months of the incumbent being voted out regardless of which party was in power and who the opposition was

 

[faible]

I'm sure there are people that are impacted by the change and I'm not arguing that it is a bad change

I'm saying if it doesn't impact enough people it won't be a vote winner

It also depends whether people give labor any credit for the change at their workplace

which I'm not sure a lot of people will even if they get an improvement out of it

This is the problem though. They make a legislation change, it won't necessarily impact everyone, or impact immediately, even if it's a good change.

The tax cut modifications impacted everyone, putting more money in the pocket of the average punter, and you're opposed to those.

That people vote against their own interests isn't uncommon, and the ALP face the same obstacles that all other incumbent Governments have post-covid, where even if they're making good decisions, many people's financial means are more strained, and they get blamed for what is a global phenomenon.

 

[peetoo]

I'm not saying everyone has to benefit from every policy

I'm saying people questioning how people could vote for the coalition over Labor are looking at the wrong things and they've got multiple examples in other western democracies over the last 12 months of the incumbent being voted out regardless of which party was in power and who the opposition was

Several had been in a few terms or more

 

[Gralin]

This is the problem though. They make a legislation change, it won't necessarily impact everyone, or impact immediately, even if it's a good change.

The tax cut modifications impacted everyone, putting more money in the pocket of the average punter, and you're opposed to those.

too much to the top, nothing for people at the bottom

it wasn't good policy, it was better than the original proposed but it wasn't good policy

there were betting things they could have done

 

[Gralin]

Several had been in a few terms or more

again none of that matters

 

[T2B_]

Absolutely it does. It is drafted broadly enough to capture any:

• forum such as BigFooty or reddit; and
• any messaging service, such as Whatsapp, Telgram; and
• even any platform with a comment section - technically captures any news site with a comment section, Youtube with its comment sections, even places, cough, such as pron-sites, with their comment sections.

Ouch, can't see that being popular.

 

[Taylor]

Politicians will take the credit when things outside their control lead to improved quality of life for their people, the other side of that is they are blamed when things go badly and quality of life drops.

It's the way of things.

 

[faible]

too much to the top, nothing for people at the bottom

it wasn't good policy, it was better than the original proposed but it wasn't good policy

there were betting things they could have done

wut?

Stage 3 tax cuts put extra money in almost everyone's pockets after the ALP modified it. You can't help it putting more money (as an absolute) in the pockets of those who pay more tax.

 

[Gralin]

This is the problem though. They make a legislation change, it won't necessarily impact everyone, or impact immediately, even if it's a good change.

The tax cut modifications impacted everyone, putting more money in the pocket of the average punter, and you're opposed to those.

That people vote against their own interests isn't uncommon, and the ALP face the same obstacles that all other incumbent Governments have post-covid, where even if they're making good decisions, many people's financial means are more strained, and they get blamed for what is a global phenomenon.

also I'd argue that being seen to be dragged kicking and screaming to give anything to the lower tax brackets doesn't really make people grateful for the tax cut in the same way them making the change up front would have

also the offsets and other things ending at the same time have meant a lot of people got tax bills this year

if the election is in may a lot of people are going to remember the tax bill not the little bit extra they get in their take home now if they remember anything at all

 

[faible]

also I'd argue that being seen to be dragged kicking and screaming to give anything to the lower tax brackets doesn't really make people grateful for the tax cut in the same way them making the change up front would have

also the offsets and other things ending at the same time have meant a lot of people got tax bills this year

if the election is in may a lot of people are going to remember the tax bill not the little bit extra they get in their take home now if they remember anything at all

I'm not sure setting policy based on people not understanding what's going on is a great alternative plan.

 

[Taylor]

wut?

Stage 3 tax cuts put extra money in almost everyone's pockets after the ALP modified it. You can't help it putting more money (as an absolute) in the pockets of those who pay more tax.

I remember right before that the low and middle income tax offset existed and then when the ALP chose not to renew it that "cost" to the budget was the amount by which they claimed a surplus.

Obviously it's a bit more complicated that one choice with one outcome, but they sure made it easy to say taking more money from low and middle income people bough their surplus headlines. The poor paid for their back pats.

 

[King Patty]

I don’t really think I’m worse off than 4 years ago. You have to take a balanced approach to playing your vote

House prices have doubled in some states over last 4 years - Adelaide, Perth, Brisbane, Hobart etc.
most peoples purchasing power has reduced.