Australia v India - post 2nd Test discussion, we're all doomed? Maybe not.

[Thrillthorpe7]

I think it’s pretty safe to say there will be no cricket in Canberra today!

Doubt there will be any at all this weekend looking at the forecast! Just fly them over to Adelaide early and play a game here

 

[Westend]

Hopefully Doggett can get out of there without being crippled by the national S+C coaches.

Abbott's perennial lock on a spot remains mystifying, and says more about the current playing group wanting their mates rotated through than it does about his ability.

Boys club...

its disgusting

 

[PhatBoy]

You would hope so. He is what we will need. Just hit the stumps more and we should get better resuts.

As the resident non Aussie fan it doesn’t bother me either way - and Boland is a great ‘servant’ bowler he just does what he does and rarely deviates from his job.

And his record from his brief 10 match career is fantastic - 35 wickets at 20.

But take out that first 3 match period against a spineless England out who just sat on the crease poking at him and he’s got 17 wickets in 7 matches at over 33.

yes it’s a very selective stat and it’s fair enough to call me out for it.

But against a side willing to attack which India will probably do - they certainly won’t just let him bowl at them like Hasib Hameed and Co and the original version of Bairstow (though granted he DID get Joe root 3 times in a row)

They will almost certainly pick him because he offers control and like I said you know exactly what he’s going to give you. He’s reliable as the day is long. But I doubt he will cause as many problems for a team willing to be positive as he did for a side that was just playing like they wanted to go home 3 summers ago

 

[Gough]

Sids has taken 12 @ 23 so far and he fits the age profile.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Surely Boland plays!

Almost a certainty. Boland is a good replacement, our issues are elsewhere

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Sids has taken 12 @ 23 so far and he fits the age profile.

Too young g, needs more time to prove himself.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

As the resident non Aussie fan it doesn’t bother me either way - and Boland is a great ‘servant’ bowler he just does what he does and rarely deviates from his job.

And his record from his brief 10 match career is fantastic - 35 wickets at 20.

But take out that first 3 match period against a spineless England out who just sat on the crease poking at him and he’s got 17 wickets in 7 matches at over 33.

yes it’s a very selective stat and it’s fair enough to call me out for it.

But against a side willing to attack which India will probably do - they certainly won’t just let him bowl at them like Hasib Hameed and Co and the original version of Bairstow (though granted he DID get Joe root 3 times in a row)


They will almost certainly pick him because he offers control and like I said you know exactly what he’s going to give you. He’s reliable as the day is long. But I doubt he will cause as many problems for a team willing to be positive as he did for a side that was just playing like they wanted to go home 3 summers ago

I think you can try to go after him, like any bowler - some easier said than done.

But his accuracy and nibble on pitches/conditions that suit will make it a tough task, and potentially it will backfire.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think you can try to go after him, like any bowler - some easier said than done.

But his accuracy and nibble on pitches/conditions that suit will make it a tough task, and potentially it will backfire.

I wouldn’t recommend going out there and trying to run down the wicket and thrash him or anything but while he has Hazlewood’s accuracy he doesn’t have his bounce and zip so he’s a bit more of a candidate for a bit of targeting and I don’t think these guys will be as inclined to let him just bowl what he wants as the English team were when he started.

At any rate I don’t think he will do a ‘bad’ job

 

[hawkman]

As the resident non Aussie fan it doesn’t bother me either way - and Boland is a great ‘servant’ bowler he just does what he does and rarely deviates from his job.

And his record from his brief 10 match career is fantastic - 35 wickets at 20.

But take out that first 3 match period against a spineless England out who just sat on the crease poking at him and he’s got 17 wickets in 7 matches at over 33.

yes it’s a very selective stat and it’s fair enough to call me out for it.

But against a side willing to attack which India will probably do - they certainly won’t just let him bowl at them like Hasib Hameed and Co and the original version of Bairstow (though granted he DID get Joe root 3 times in a row)

They will almost certainly pick him because he offers control and like I said you know exactly what he’s going to give you. He’s reliable as the day is long. But I doubt he will cause as many problems for a team willing to be positive as he did for a side that was just playing like they wanted to go home 3 summers ago

First 3 matches 18 @ 9.55
Next 5 matches 15 @ 20.4
Last 2 matches 2 @ 115.5

It was only the last 2 matches where England got at him

 

[PhatBoy]

First 3 matches 18 @ 9.55
Next 5 matches 15 @ 20.4
Last 2 matches 2 @ 115.5

It was only the last 2 matches were England go at him

That’s fair, I hadn’t looked that deep at the next sequence against WI/SA to be honest, even the WTC final he did pretty well

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Boys club...

its disgusting

Name an alternative

Bare in mind Morris just back, Jyhe half fit and Buckingham is injured apparently

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I wouldn’t recommend going out there and trying to run down the wicket and thrash him or anything but while he has Hazlewood’s accuracy he doesn’t have his bounce and zip so he’s a bit more of a candidate for a bit of targeting and I don’t think these guys will be as inclined to let him just bowl what he wants as the English team were when he started.

At any rate I don’t think he will do a ‘bad’ job

Certainly wasn’t suggesting they’d go hell for leather.

At the SCG I’d be more inclined to agree, but day/night in Adelaide with his control and heavy ball? Its a fair old risk.

Not saying they won’t try, or won’t succeed, just that as a fan of “Big Sexy” I would almost welcome it in this match.

 

[Bucking Beads]

As the resident non Aussie fan it doesn’t bother me either way - and Boland is a great ‘servant’ bowler he just does what he does and rarely deviates from his job.

And his record from his brief 10 match career is fantastic - 35 wickets at 20.

But take out that first 3 match period against a spineless England out who just sat on the crease poking at him and he’s got 17 wickets in 7 matches at over 33.

yes it’s a very selective stat and it’s fair enough to call me out for it.

But against a side willing to attack which India will probably do - they certainly won’t just let him bowl at them like Hasib Hameed and Co and the original version of Bairstow (though granted he DID get Joe root 3 times in a row)

They will almost certainly pick him because he offers control and like I said you know exactly what he’s going to give you. He’s reliable as the day is long. But I doubt he will cause as many problems for a team willing to be positive as he did for a side that was just playing like they wanted to go home 3 summers ago

I completely agree with you about Boland. We don’t have many options at the moment so hopefully he can show something next week.


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[Ohitsthatguy]

Yeah the Poms showed in England you can hit him off his length

Pink ball in Adelaide might be a bit harder to do

Will be interesting

 

[PhatBoy]

Yeah the Poms showed in England you can hit him off his length

Pink ball in Adelaide might be a bit harder to do

Will be interesting

Just think that guys like Jaiswal and Kohli - proactive in terms of footwork - would be a chance to get on top of him if he doesn’t get it doing a lot. But on the other hand who knows he might get it hooping around corners or jagging everywhere

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Yeah the Poms showed in England you can hit him off his length

Pink ball in Adelaide might be a bit harder to do

Will be interesting

I think the conditions were important for context - pitches designed for BazBall.

 

[Cleavy]

no play in Canberra. apparently 50 over match tomorrow (weather permitting)

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Big Sexy’s last D/N test -

 

[sherb]

100% back to back to back good shield seasons not 5 flop seasons and a good start to the 6th like Patterson.

Webster

21/22 - 361 runs at 51.57 and 6 wickets
22/23 - 596 runs at 42.57 and 19 wickets
23/24 - 938 runs at 58.62 (Top Run Scorer) and 30 wickets
24/25 - 303 runs at 50.50 and 9 wickets

Jam the now is all that matters theory that floats around here, sustained form is what you want and Webster has been a stand out Shield performer for 4 years now, deserved call up.

It's why I would never pick Renshaw, can't put back to back seasons together.

He also turned out for Gloucestershire for 4 f-c matches in 2024, scoring 255 runs @ 58.25 and taking 16 wickets @ 21.25.

You could pick him as a batsman alone given his form in recent seasons, his bowling (mediums and offies) plus slips catching are just added strings to the bow.

 

[sherb]

Forcing an all-rounder in when they aren't a top six bat or top four bowler is fair new. Having a genuine all-rounder is rare (Miller might be the only one in Australian history), but weakening the batting to fit in a fifth, often not greatly used, bowler rather making do with the almost inevitable part-timers is not something that was done much in the past.
If you're going to win, the fifth bowler probably isn't going to do much work. But the number six bat might need to.

You mention Benaud getting a century at 4. True, although he only batted in that position three times; and under a third of the time in the top six. But he was a bowling all-rounder (only averaged about 24, so maybe only a bowler who could bat a bit), who could sometimes score bigger and definitely belonged in the side even if his secondary skill had been utter crap.
Walters was a bit better than a part-timer, perhaps batting all-rounder, who (apart from perhaps in England) did belong in the top six.
Those types are handy to have, if you have them - as are the Imran, Wasim, Kapil Dev types who are clearly best bowlers and can bat with the talent (though not the output) of a top six.
Forcing one in, as happened with Watson for all but about 18 months of his career, costs too much in the batting without the regular payoff in the bowling.

Richie Benaud was a genuine all-rounder at first-class level (11,719 runs @ 36.50 with 23 centuries), but he couldn't consistently perform at a similar level batting wise in Tests.

 

[Aussie_boy]

Would've been good if Neser was fit just so his first 3 tests were all at the same ground. A rare stat I'd imagine.

 

[Cleavy]

Hazlewood out of second Test, may not return until Boxing Day

The home side’s quest to regain the Border-Gavaskar Trophy took a massive hit on Saturday when Josh Hazlewood was ruled out of the Adelaide Test.

www.theage.com.au

CA is targeting a return for Hazlewood in the third Test in Brisbane, starting December 14, but former team doctor Peter Brukner cast doubt if the giant quick would return in time. Hazlewood will be with the squad in Adelaide, a move CA says shows the injury is not serious.

“Three weeks would be about as good as you could do it,” Brukner told this masthead. “There’s a risk of recurrence so you have to be careful about that. Even three weeks is pushing it. You’ve got to build up your bowling after time off. He’d be struggling.”
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sounds like Boxing Day is more likely.

 

[eddiesmith]

Hazlewood out of second Test, may not return until Boxing Day

The home side’s quest to regain the Border-Gavaskar Trophy took a massive hit on Saturday when Josh Hazlewood was ruled out of the Adelaide Test.

www.theage.com.au

CA is targeting a return for Hazlewood in the third Test in Brisbane, starting December 14, but former team doctor Peter Brukner cast doubt if the giant quick would return in time. Hazlewood will be with the squad in Adelaide, a move CA says shows the injury is not serious.

“Three weeks would be about as good as you could do it,” Brukner told this masthead. “There’s a risk of recurrence so you have to be careful about that. Even three weeks is pushing it. You’ve got to build up your bowling after time off. He’d be struggling.”
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sounds like Boxing Day is more likely.

Then best case scenario they rush him back in Brisbane, he aggravates it and Boland gets to play at the G on Boxing Day!

 

[gordo2016]

Richie Benaud was a genuine all-rounder at first-class level (11,719 runs @ 36.50 with 23 centuries), but he couldn't consistently perform at a similar level batting wise in Tests.

Didn't realise Rich scored so many FC centuries. Test players would've been playing in many of those FC games as well, so he would have faced good attacks. What a player!

 

[Bedi]

What's with the pink arm bandages? Indians seem to have taken a real liking to them.