Autopsy Autopsy vs Western Bulldogs - Rd 3, 2021

[Themanbun]

Why don't our players run?

Like we are so stationary it's absurd.

Christ get moving.

Would love to see the GPS numbers.

 

[rickety]

Their 1st was from a garbage 50m penalty which probably hasn’t been paid in the history of tome previously.


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Which ultimately stemmed from an LDU handball that missed Ziebell, iirc. We had the ball on the half forward flank. But yep, the 50 was garbage.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Would love to see the GPS numbers.

Doubt the players do.

 

[Themanbun]

How on earth did I miss Will Phillips getting stuck on Tim English?

Ziebell as the experienced head back there should not have allowed that to happen.

 

[ChoppyGun]

I watched a 98 game on Fox a bit back.

Our players ran hard both ways, almost always put body on the line, chased hard even if gassed, and dead set every contest was important even though we in front as players wanted it.

What's happened?

 

[ChoppyGun]

How on earth did I miss Will Phillips getting stuck on Tim English?

Ziebell as the experienced head back there should not have allowed that to happen.

One of many he *ed up.

Don't knock Ziebell on here though.

It's not allowed as he is a gun leader etc of our worst side in living memory.

 

[rickety]

I watched a 98 game on Fox a bit back.

Our players ran hard both ways, almost always put body on the line, chased hard even if gassed, and dead set every contest was important even though we in front as players wanted it.

What's happened?

Had blokes scared of the coach, had the best player ever, as well as some of our best players ever. Tough buggers who loved the tough stuff as well as winning the ball. Shinboners.

 

[The Anvil]

Pittard
Polec
Hall

And Hvorat


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[ferball]

This part sounds to me an awful lot like Brad Scott ~2010 rhetoric, when we moved away from late-Laidley-era "hold the ball in the air to slow play down" tactics, and as a result got routinely comfortably beaten by the top sides: 'we're sticking to this approach because we want to build a gameplan and play the way we want to play, we don't just want to beat the best, we want to be the best', and so on. For all the good it led to, we never really shook our inability to halt opposition momentum, and it remained a habit that we started fast and faded late in games. Now maybe you can argue that the approach was sound, and our failure to address these inherent deficiencies of a more open and attacking style is a separate issue - all the same, I don't think it's unreasonable not to be convinced by such a loose method of play that looks great when it comes off but exposes us badly whenever it doesn't, especially not with that same issue from the Scott era in such recent memory.



I would argue the only momentum to a performance like that is backwards; as I've said elsewhere on here, it's obvious how drained of confidence the players are becoming already, drawbacks like that don't just disappear.

I don't see how being definite about the competition as a whole being cyclical ("can, and will, turn") invokes any agency on our part. I get that the letter is going for staunchness, and confidence in the long-term process, but what it effectively says is that showings like Friday's are acceptable - "frustrating", but acceptable - and that invites the question, what wouldn't be okay? What's more than merely "frustrating" to "some of our people"? What standards are we setting that ensure this "difficult path" is actually taking us where we want to be? So when all the letter offers on that front is the uncontrollable notion that all this "goes through cycles" (i.e., downswings like this are inevitable and can't be helped, but hey, there'll be an upswing eventually too because it all goes around in the end...), it's very difficult to take any confidence that the people overseeing matters at the club right now have the necessary active mindset to navigate something like this, rather than talking like they have no say in what befalls us beyond whether we stay on a particular path or not. Standards are set early in these processes, and right now we seem desperate not to have any.

I can see what they are trying to do and I'm on board with it.

I am watching the replay slowly today and there is a definite style of play that they are aiming for. We moved the ball quickly and effectively at times but we had alot of errors. I think many of those errors will go with practice and I'm prepared to see what is happening as a metaphorical two and half to three and a half year pre season. But I think it'll be followed by at least five years of strong footy.

The coach has already said there are consequences for poor effort. Until he fails the test of backing that up with action he deserves the benefit of the doubt. So I don't read it as accepting mediocrity. I don't expect to hear the stuff the coach tells the players, or the stuff the president tells the players if they think the effort is unacceptable. Its not my business. I expect that a club that has been as ruthless as us in the last two seasons will stay the course with that attitude and don't need to hear the details. After all he specifically referenced us being annoyed with the players "Not turning up". If Buckley had said nothing I'd be more worried but we all knew this sort of thing would happen this year if we struggled with injury.

I think you are the one assuming that the will just happen. Everything I've heard from the club about this rebuild is that it will be hard work and take effort and that it won't just come together unless we make it come together.

He is saying the same thing people are saying across our board. Stick by the club in the hard times.

After all that's what a true Shinboner would do.

Well that is what I reckon anyway. We obviously see it differently.

 

[ChoppyGun]

And Hvorat


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Now we have Mahony so Hrovat spirit lives on.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Had blokes scared of the coach, had the best player ever, as well as some of our best players ever. Tough buggers who loved the tough stuff as well as winning the ball. Shinboners.

Well ok mate but much better hard footy and standards than what we are serving up.

I'm looking at senior players btw

 

[ferball]

Had blokes scared of the coach, had the best player ever, as well as some of our best players ever. Tough buggers who loved the tough stuff as well as winning the ball. Shinboners.

I don't think they were scared of the coach. I think they were scared of letting him (and themselves) down and scared of losing his respect.

In itself that is probably not a bad thing but he had a relationship with most of them since they were kids in the U19s. They knew and looked up to him since before they played senior footy and they knew he could get flags out of them.

 

[ferball]

How on earth did I miss Will Phillips getting stuck on Tim English?

Ziebell as the experienced head back there should not have allowed that to happen.

He's not really an experienced backman tho is he?

 

[archereleven]

Had blokes scared of the coach, had the best player ever, as well as some of our best players ever. Tough buggers who loved the tough stuff as well as winning the ball. Shinboners.

Add in - the talent diluted at the same time the talent went from footballers to athletic footballers to athletes who play football. Coaches were taskmasters instead of mates and the team was genuinely punished if they played shit, not backed in and nurtured.

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[Gasometer]

I watched a 98 game on Fox a bit back.

Our players ran hard both ways, almost always put body on the line, chased hard even if gassed, and dead set every contest was important even though we in front as players wanted it.

What's happened?

23 years?

 

[Its a Process]

Now we have Mahony so Hrovat spirit lives on.

Geez I had high hopes of Hrovat becoming the next Leigh Adams - 20 possies and 3 goals playing the HFF role. Got that one wrong. As I did with EVW. And maybe Will Walker who I had pinned as Brett Burton styled winger/half forward. This is getting depressing....

 

[Devington]

He's not really an experienced backman tho is he?

Quite frankly we've ended up with bizarre, and horrendous, matchups on occasions for years now; possibly it's something to do with how we set up and roll over. It happens to a lot of teams I suppose, but it's rare you get an example as glaring as that.

I seem to recall Mahony being one out with an oppo ruckman in one of the games last year too.

 

[Themanbun]

He's not really an experienced backman tho is he?

He has been sent back there as a general. It doesn't take an experienced backman to know that 179cm vs 200cm is a big mistake. I actually rate his transition as being alright so far but that was abysmal.

 

[ChoppyGun]

23 years?

I'd have that team over this group.

 

[Gasometer]

I'd have that team over this group.

I and dare say most of this Board have no recollection of the year you are talking about and as for watching any games from that year I would rather shave my head and walk up LaTrobe Street in a * jumper

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I'd have that team over this group.

No shit? You'd go for the team that had won a premiership, would play in the grandfinal that year, and win their second flag the next year?

 

[Gasometer]

No sh*t? You'd go for the team that had won a premiership, would play in the grandfinal that year, and win their second flag the next year?

 

[ChoppyGun]

No sh*t? You'd go for the team that had won a premiership, would play in the grandfinal that year, and win their second flag the next year?

I was commenting on how they played and attitude, not results.

We were never that dominant in the 90s. Lost plenty of games despite a great period.

However this team is farcical in comparison and it's simply not North Melbourne.

 

[ChoppyGun]

No sh*t? You'd go for the team that had won a premiership, would play in the grandfinal that year, and win their second flag the next year?

You were a Brad Scott fan who's completely *ed us up so it's no surprise you get defensive.

 

[archereleven]

I was commenting on how they played and attitude, not results.

We were never that dominant in the 90s. Lost plenty of games despite a great period.

However this team is farcical in comparison and it's simply not North Melbourne.

Never that dominant?

What in the actual ****?

I remember going into every single week expecting us to beat the oppo by 10 goals lol

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