Bluemour Discussion Thread XII - Facts Not Welcome (cont in pt 13)

[Brutalitops]

Nevermind. They want Rankine. Makes sense.

 

[Bronze]

Of course Id trade pick 1. I have been consistent with it. Not sure why its a problem.

Not a problem whatsoever.....so long as you are not Stephen Silvagni.

 

[ParapMarkets]

It's interesting, supporters scream for the club to stop plugging holes, and to accept that its future lays in progressively building through the draft. Yet despite investing 3 years on building sustainable success, having the opportunity in the 4th year to take what most experts think will be a 250 gamer with 1st pick, some lose their nerve and revert back to need for instant gratification. Who cares about Scully. Would rather limit GWS intake to Shiel, plus Walsh with 1st at ND.

Firstly, Shiel is every chance to choose Hawthorn. Any of these discussions become moot in that case.

It’s a tough one, I think I would prefer to get Shiel and Setterfield and keep pick 1. Some deals are too good to refuse though and it will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think you are being very simplistic here though, we have attacked the draft extremely hard, there comes a point (and this would have been the plan from day 1), where you need to start to surround those players with quality experience, you need to make sure you are developing the talent you have already have properly. Once the youngsters get some confidence up, the sky is the limit. We need standards and competition for spots.

It’s not about sitting down the bottom of the ladder indefinitely collecting draft picks, hoping we come good at some stage. The young guys need to start to experience winning and we need to start to develop a winning culture. We have put in the hard yards, now is the time to gain experience.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Not a problem whatsoever.....so long as you are not Stephen Silvagni.

TBH, I absolutely hope he trades it and takes that GWS offer. The melts from some of you guys will be glorious to witness. I'll just be kicking back, munching on some popcorn, with a silly grin on my face.

 

[Blue and Blue]

take a break? from the draft?

At our peril methinks

 

[Neese]

TBH, I absolutely hope he trades it and takes that GWS offer. The melts from some of you guys will be glorious to witness. I'll just be kicking back, munching on some popcorn, with a silly grin on my face.

I do not like you very much

 

[Bronze]

TBH, I absolutely hope he trades it and takes that GWS offer. The melts from some of you guys will be glorious to witness. I'll just be kicking back, munching on some popcorn, with a silly grin on my face.

I'm going to be the biggest pest in your life when Sam Walsh wins his first b&f, AA ruck/rover, Brownlow, Norm Smith medal, becomes captain and so on.....you will eat your words, son

......but no pressure on the kid

 

[SBYM]

Things getting willing in here...

 

[thylacine60]

mongrel level rising..........

 

[blueballs99]

TBH, I absolutely hope he trades it and takes that GWS offer. The melts from some of you guys will be glorious to witness. I'll just be kicking back, munching on some popcorn, with a silly grin on my face.

How olds Scully ..I think he has got a good five years of footy left in him ... I will take that deal ..all three are hard running mids with a touch of class ..

 

[Bronze]

How olds Scully ..I think he has got a good five years of footy left in him ... I will take that deal ..all three are hard running mids with a touch of class ..

Google is your friend.

 

[SBYM]

mongrel level rising..........

Can they run through the middle??

 

[Opine]

If we give up 2018 pick 1 for a deal involving Scully, I'm gonna follow the Crow's.

 

[thylacine60]

your cats would disown you.......

 

[Opine]

your cats would disown you.......

They won't know if I adopt the info filtration that's been perfected by Fagan and his board.

 

[therubbernub]

The Herald Sun are reporting Carlton are confident of landing Dylan Shiel. They’re poised to land Will Setterfield as well. #AFLTRADE

I'm excited!!!

shiel setterfield and scully wow wee fmd

 

[therubbernub]

Add Scully to the mix, send pick 1 to GWS and I'm a happy man!

Shiel, Scully & Setterfield for pick 1

Who wouldn't

it would take a bit more but absolutely worth it

 

[Opine]

f it, I'm going to the Crows board now. I can't read this stuff anymore.

 

[therubbernub]

Fair effort flying around in a private jet, but the club could be doing more to secure Shiel.

They should’ve got John Travolta to fly the jet, and then break out in song......You’re the one that I want, ooh ooh ooh.

doesnt ONJ barrack for the mighty blues?

 

[Metalcrusher]

Agree. Lose like this year next yearand watch Cripps and Charlie and or others ask to leave.

One thing not discussed is how well we have kept the young core together this year bar Byrne.

We can’t sit bottom forever

I never considered Byrne as being part of our core group .....

 

[Blue and Blue]

Things getting willing in here...

are we drafting willing?....the last one of that name I knew rode a motorsickle

 

[rp84]

Could we turn pick one into shiel, setters, Scully and pick 16 (which we can hand off for mcgov)?

One pick into 4 players, singlehandedly fix our age gap with some hardened units.

Add to that our two state league players and trying to trade back in mid-late first round to grab a midfield slider.

Huge.

Now obviously I prefer to send next years pick but I highly doubt that's an option.

 

[thylacine60]

f it, I'm going to the Crows board now. I can't read this stuff anymore.

well don't start hating on mcgovern when you get there.........

 

[Dooky]

I would prefer this, then this years 1st, puts the pressure on us to improve now, which is a good thing.
I'd do Shiel, Setterfield, Scully for 2019 1st & Pick 25 in a heart beat (honestly I'd be fine with not even swapping 25 for their 3rd rounder)

Then McGovern for Pick 24 + State league player of the Crows choice.
Other State league player for Scrimshaw.

Pick 1 - Walsh.

Shiel, Setterfield, Scully, McGovern, Fasolo, Scrimshaw, Walsh. = a lot of big in's, and hopefully an 8 - 10 win season in 2019.

Lol GC already have 3 state league players they can access

 

[ParapMarkets]

This is the club that found blokes like Sicily, Bruest etc with lower picks or in Bruest’s case the rookie draft. They don’t exactly suck at finding talent with lower picks.

And the same thing was said about Geelong when Scarlett, Chapman etc left yet they continued to stay up the ladder and made multiple prelims. They found diamonds in the rough and their standing as a club allowed them to recruit guys like Dangerfield, Tuohy etc.

Like I said, Hawthorn will be up and about for a few years yet, they simply have too many good senior players to fall down. Even Hawthorn themselves have admitted they have problems, they really need to land a few free agents like Lynch and some great trades like Mitchell, or they are in big trouble in a few years time, I don’t understand how anyone can look at their list and the age bracket of the players and think differently. It’s the system working against them just like it has for other clubs, including Carlton many years ago. The tide is turning and we are seeing these free agents going elsewhere and they don’t have much in the way of assets to get trades done. They have created holes in their list through neglecting the draft. They won a swag of premierships so they would be delighted with that but it comes at a cost.

You may marvel at them, but things do change. They will need to get a hell of a lot right for them to remain relevant going forward, I’m not saying it can’t be done but it will be difficult. I’m not sure how old you are, but this used to be Carlton. People marvelling at how we continue to stay near the top by topping up, we even made a grand final in 99 and a prelim in 2000 before everything came crashing down in 2002. I’m not trying to suggest that our history this century will become theirs going forward- it won’t. But they do face some serious challenges.

Anyway, this will be my last post on Hawthorn, personally I think you’re being bamboozled, which is understandable given how shit we have been for so long. They will be a strong team for the next couple of years no doubt and that is the reason most people think Shiel will head there, he will make them stronger.