Bluemour Discussion Thread XIV - Facts Not Welcome

[Soapy V]

You have more interest than me, Im 100% over it....

I'm actually leaning towards not getting him

 

[Aphrodite]

This is a post you know I can get around, Aph!

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Still very 50/50 on this. Bonus is I can sit back and just watch it play out

I agree Soap !either way we win ..

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

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I can't even

 

[cfc4life]

No one can question what they have done in the past, but the decisions to remain relevant, is starting to become an interesting tipping point. This is who they have drafted in the last 5 years. How would you rate their future prospects

Pick Name Status
24 Billy Hartung Gone
38 Dayle Garlett Gone
56 James Sicily B Grade
31 Daniel Howe B Grade
49 Teia Miles Developing
50 Marc Pittonet Developing
19 Ryan Burton Going
22 Kieran Lovell B Grade
44 Blake Hardwick Potential A Grade
74 Harry Morrison Developing
76 Mitchell Lewis ??
45 James Worpel B Grade
67 Dylan Moore Developing
71 Jackson Ross Developing

Sicily is a gun
Howe, Hardwick, Morrison and Worpel will all be very handy.

I agree that their youth isn't outstanding, but they have the skills to top up at will.

 

[rezzi]

If we grab Newman today, then Shiel is just the cherry on top of a very productive and successful trade period for us. Let's see how it goes down.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Surely SOS wouldn't be wasting his time with this, unless he had some sort of indication from the Shiel camp, that he'd be happy to come to us if the * deal fell through.

 

[jj1978]

GWS using us as leverage to get * to up their offer.. and/or SOS still annoyed at Shiel and * and wants to complicate things for a bit.

SOS: as your old list manager I recommend you keep Shiel now you’ve offloaded everyone else..,


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[ESKIE]

Sos maybe meeting about another player not necessarily shiel

 

[BOSOJSOSAGSOS]

Surely SOS wouldn't be wasting his time with this, unless he had some sort of indication from the Shiel camp, that he'd be happy to come to us if the * deal fell through.

He's probably looked at us and gone "hang on, maybe they're not too bad..."

 

[Duigan Alley34]

Now I have to talk myself back into Shiel, only to inevitably talk myself out of him again...

 

[Aphrodite]

Sos maybe meeting about another player not necessarily shiel

Kelly

 

[Arr0w]

Sicily is a gun
Howe, Hardwick, Morrison and Worpel will all be very handy.

I agree that their youth isn't outstanding, but they have the skills to top up at will.

You do realise most of their best 22 will be gone in the next 2 years, if they are still competitive after that, Wright is a genius

 

[Bluesome]

Shiel will get to Essendon...likely to involve Finlayson as well with two firsts being handed over and other exchanges...

 

[Soapy V]

I agree Soap !either way we win ..

I just wonder what we are offering? Surely next years first isn't enough

 

[myblueroan]

Sos maybe meeting about another player not necessarily shiel

Love the rascal post.

 

[Soapy V]

Sos maybe meeting about another player not necessarily shiel

Thought the same. Kelly Finlayson Coniglio Taranto Patton for next years first

 

[Iamcarlton]

The Hawthorn arrogance of being able to fix anyone is a laugh. Hawks have had plenty of failures with players. Mitch Thorp, Dayle Garlett, Ty Vickery, Hartung, O'Rourke plus a whole heap of picks, a lot of them their firsts who didn't turn out over the years.

Hawthorn are a good side because they built a core group of players with early draft picks, priority picks and had a no dickheads policy and have drafted well and managed their books well over the years, same as we are doing except it's taking us longer, they didn't do a clean out and had more resources to work with and didn't take as long as we did to put a strong focus on building the best footy department.

Hawks had the same arrogance we did in the early 2000s. Impossible to associate them with failure, not embracing the draft much, just topping up. Messiah complex over their coach and their way of doing things. Aging list full of all australians and premiership players who will be gone over the next few years. Only difference is they are doing a good job at getting ready for the next rebuild but things can happen quickly.

Wingard will be a good get but they will lose a good player. I wouldn't be overly excited over the others. Hawks have a good culture because they bring in the right players, not so much from bring in players and changing them. They have done alright but haven't done as well as people think. Same with Essendon, they will do well but end of the day they will probably be walking away with the one good player. He'll be good for them but he's just one man.

Things could really go well for Hawthorn or it could all blow up big time. They seem to be taking bigger and bigger risks lately with taking players who may not have great bodies and perhaps players who may not have the ability to mental application. But so are we. For us it backfired big last year.

I see them as the Port Adelaide of last year over rating their list going for one last tilt at a flag by topping up that will ultimately fall well short just inside or outside the 8 .
And this time next year they'll be the Port of this year ofloading a heap to get themselves back into the draft .

 

[Manhattanite]

I don’t care about Shiel - but I appreciate that it would be nice for Cripps and co.

I’m happy we got McGovern, Setterfield and Fasolo.

But now all I’m thinking about is getting Newman. Just one last win before draft week.


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[Aphrodite]

SOS

 

[cfc4life]

You do realise most of their best 22 will be gone in the next 2 years, if they are still competitive after that, Wright is a genius

On exposed form, he is pretty close to a genius yes.

 

[Arr0w]

I just wonder what we are offering? Surely next years first isn't enough

Next year's 1st for Shiel,? Think that would go close, given the current trade with the Bombers will be pick 9 and a mid 2nd

 

[Mr_Plow]

SOS probably just doing GWS a favour. Earn us back some brownie points when we come knocking next year.

 

[gandaal]

There have always been questions surrounding Scrimshaw my friend......and the answers to those questions didn't always make for pretty reading. IIRC gandaal was a big Scrimshaw fan in his draft year and received a relatively blunt reply by one of ericpascoe, barass70 or Marc Shmurf 3 that simply stated:

I've never seen one of them knock a potential draft or trade target before or since. At the time I remember thinking "WOW", but that statement has proven to be prophetic.

Scrimshaw's manager said when interviewed on SEN (Whateley 27/9/18) that:


Interestingly this story was pulled down within an hour of being put up:

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TBH, despite his enormous talent, I think this is where the due diligence processes that the club has in place has allowed us to dodge a bullet here. JMO.

The article also said that over half of the clubs wouldn't have even drafted the kid.

 

[gbatman]

Shiel will end up at whichever of his nominated clubs puts forward the best offer to GWS. He probably nominated us, Hawthorn and Essendon and GWS went with Essendon as they appeared to have the best offer.

We may well beat Essendon's current offer. But Essendon will likely come out and beat that.

I think this is less about Carlton pinching Shiel and GWS using us to get Essendon to pay up.

Either way it's good for us.