Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[Matty411]

Superfooty: UPDATE: Carlton board is believed to have ratified recommendation for Brendon Bolton to coach the club next season: http://t.co/DHWMgOpD52

 

[HBF]

Sakc Bolton!



.... Too soon?

There's always one isn't there.....

 

[Matty411]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ton-as-new-coach/story-fni5f5nx-1227497619315

 

[Chookaradley]

He's been impressive as a senior coach has he, do you know him?are you inside the club?
See i can do that too.
This is a forum where carlton faithful can discuss there opinions, if you disagree fine, that's the beauty of the forum what you don't have to do is be a dick about it.
Imo every line (forward and back) he touched suffered. This could be for Number of reasons but he was the common denominator at the time.

However as i said in my previous post he impressed me as a senior coach and maybe to develop him as a future senior coach the best roll for him could be vfl development coach.

Im certainly not having a go at you personally. People have said he is no good as an assistant based on what, our poor performances?. Is that what makes him poor?. The only opinion I have on JB is how hes handled himself as senior coach. Thats all we can go on, and thats been very good. A lot of people reckon he's been rubbish as assistant. Id be curious to know on what basis.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

For me: It's not so much about whether Barker or Bolton are professional enough to get along. That won't be an issue.

But what about players that wanted Barker to stay? Look at MM when he said Collingwood players came to his office saying they would basically mutiny the club if he left and Buckley took over.

I doubt the players will be vindictive, but the players don't own the club. Nothing to do with being 'progressive' either.

I'm not worried about they players, I suspect they'll quickly fall into line. Plus, it's not like they've achieved a great deal and have enormous clout...Bit of a different situation to the Pies and MM

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think Bolton looks the type to win them over. Infectious personality.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I think Bolton looks the type to win them over. Infectious personality.

He'd be great at a dinner party.

 

[slashin_velvet]

He'd be great at a dinner party.

Would he bring his own high chair?

 

[Omega Blue]

Im certainly not having a go at you personally. People have said he is no good as an assistant based on what, our poor performances?. Is that what makes him poor?. The only opinion I have on JB is how hes handled himself as senior coach. Thats all we can go on, and thats been very good. A lot of people reckon he's been rubbish as assistant. Id be curious to know on what basis.

Sorry for snapping it was early.
The evidence was that whatever element of assistant coaching he took on seemed to suffer. Whether it was forward or back line.
There could be many reasons for this, my personal theory which i developed since he has become caretaker coach has been that he is a big picture guy and tried to be overly complex with his individual lines.
Imo opinion an assistant coach needs to be simplistic.
Just my opinion tho

 

[slashin_velvet]

There could be many reasons for this, my personal theory which i developed since he has become caretaker coach has been that he is a big picture guy and tried to be overly complex with his individual lines.
Imo opinion an assistant coach needs to be simplistic.
Just my opinion tho

People also theorized the world was flat until there was information to suggest otherwise. Maybe he was completely competant as an assistant which is why he lasted multiple senior coaches at our club and was then endorsed by the club to take on the top job. Maybe his individual lines suffered as a result of the whole team underperforming due to poor direction from the top, and he was actually doing a good job given the circumstances.

We simply dont know either way, but its been clear from his time in a senior spot that he's a well principled individual who put the club before himself, sacrificing good players who werent putting in the required effort, even if that meant fewer wins which would jeopardize his chances of top job.

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

For me: It's not so much about whether Barker or Bolton are professional enough to get along. That won't be an issue.

But what about players that wanted Barker to stay? Look at MM when he said Collingwood players came to his office saying they would basically mutiny the club if he left and Buckley took over.

I doubt the players will be vindictive, but the players don't own the club. Nothing to do with being 'progressive' either.

I preface this by saying - I like Barker - he seems like a good guy and committed to coaching and developing both himself and the team.

But - it's just not good governance to keep him on board with a new coach. Barker has already showed his hand that he wants the top job. No statement on Barker's ethics, but when the going gets tough next year - he has the potential to be an destabilising influence (whether intentionally or not). I wish him the best of luck - but it's not fair on Bolton to keep him as an assistant now that Barker has had a taste of the top gig (and openly declared that he wants to be the head coach at the CFC).

 

[jimsta10]

anyone have that pic of our new coach in navy blue?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Bolton was almost voted in unanimously by the board. The only Board Member to question the appointment was Raphael Geminder. The coaching sub committee, was unanimous. Barker presented well, but Bolts was simply a standout.

Barker unlikely to stay beyond this year (His call, Bolts wants him around).

#bluemour

From the blumour file. Interesting, because that's almost the exact opposite of what has been reported.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

From the blumour file. Interesting, because that's almost the exact opposite of what has been reported.

I trust my source

 

[jimsta10]

From the blumour file. Interesting, because that's almost the exact opposite of what has been reported.

Marc Shmurf 3 has more credit that those in the media.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Calm down guys, it was an observation not a judgement

 

[Windhover]

Yeah perhaps. I'd rather Bolton get in the people he feels comfortable working with though. If he thinks external people will best assist him in reaching his goal, so be it.

I do get your point though!

This idea that Bolton should now dictate what he wants was the genesis behind sacking Ratts and appointing a triple-flag winning coach to lead us to the Promised Land. All we got was exit, not Exodus. Bolton is not our Messiah (or, strictly speaking, our Moses), he is just the coach. He can lay down any Commandments he likes to the players, not the Club.

The Club has gone through what appears to be a proper process in selecting Bolton and it has been done in a timely way for List Management purposes in preparation for 2016. In the selection process the Club should already understand Bolton's broadly understood game plan, should understand where he sees the strengths (if any) and the deficiencies (if any) in the list, what Bolton believes is an appropriate time-frame to see results from the game-plan, etc.

The Club should take us on board, perhaps at the end of our 2015 season and tell us what they know about where we are going, why we are delisting who we do delist, why we are trading out player X or trading in player Y etc. Transparency is key. If we know that they know what they are doing then the Club must know what it is doing. If they don't tell us what they are doing and why then why, based on the past 15 years, should we trust them to be doing anything right this time. And since what we want is peculiar to the circumstances of our Club, including the players we have and the intended game plan, it doesn't matter a stuff that other Clubs know our thinking at this level of generalisation. On the contrary, other Clubs, knowing what we want to do might see advantage for themselves by suggesting trades that the other Club thinks is in its interests but that they know we will think is in our interests. The McEvoy trade to Hawthorn for Savage and (effectively) Dunstan is a case in point.

SOS should already know what type of players Bolton wants and should be working to build the demographic of the List so that it fits with the Bolton time-frame. He will need to liase with the recruiters as to when in the draft who we might want will be taken in order to trade for draft picks that actually has a purpose other than simply getting "three picks in the top 15" for the sake of it - like we did in 2000 (not that I am bitter). The recruiters should now be being told we need to prioritise in this trade/draft player type X, Y or Z.

Andy McKay should be responsible for coordinating these various functions including specialist coaches, trainers, medical staff.

Bolton's job is to work with what he is given and explain clearly where there are deficiencies if/when he perceives them. There is no value to having Bolton surrounded by a whole team of yes men that he feels "confortable working with".

 

[Azul]

Id expect Barker to apply for the * and Adelaide jobs. He did do the training certs for a reason and now has more senior coaching experience than most other candidates.

 

[P_Crippy]

From the blumour file. Interesting, because that's almost the exact opposite of what has been reported.

So board and committee appear united, who'd have funk?

 

[MC_Doggy_Frog18]

So Menzel to the Crows?

 

[HARKER]

I trust my source

I trust Starchamber before what comes out of a football club. .

How was McKay the other day. We haven't made a decision......................... Formally

 

[Matty411]

Appreciate the insight Marc Shmurf 3 - how can you possibly know the details the vote? Your source must be ridiculously close and also very loose tongued. I love the info and the rumours (though yours are more often than not correct) but it concerns me how we continue to leak things this easily.

I can only hope we don't do the same as last year (think Robbo/Jeffy) around trade time.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Appreciate the insight Marc Shmurf 3 - how can you possibly know the details the vote? Your source must be ridiculously close and also very loose tongued. I love the info and the rumours (though yours are more often than not correct) but it concerns me how we continue to leak things this easily.

I can only hope we don't do the same as last year (think Robbo/Jeffy) around trade time.

Unfortunately, if 2 people know about something, it is no longer a secret.

 

[Matty411]

Unfortunately, if 2 people know about something, it is no longer a secret.

True true... just seems the Blues leak the most info - more than any other club... or it could be that we have the most info-hungry fans and those with the best sources... either way I can't complain about your insights.

Cheers.

 

[bluebird101]

The club have just sent a msg to member announcing Bolton as new coach