Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

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Yes it was todays game. However the questions are pertinent to any game.

Now we are making progress SR36.

Blind acceptance serves no one.
The good teams and bad teams is just reference terminology. Good teams force you into not playing your game plan and force you into the decisions they want you to make. They can then take advantage of your turnovers and hurt you.

At the moment we are a good team for parts of the game. Because we are let down by what we are discussing. We are applying the right pressures. For most parts. We are winning our fare share of the contested ball. We are even getting the ball in the hands of the forwards in good positions to enact scores.

Where we need help at the moment and where the likes of Grundy and Adams could give us way more. Is to curb their selfish need to impress and now take on roles that will enhance their outputs to the team. I have no doubt their value to the team will be well improved if they change their emphasis.

Pendles is a great example of this. He could quite well still play in the guts and leave the defending for others to do. But he has adopted a new role and added to our rebounding from HB. Also his hit ups and efficiency has help. Now yes he has let his players sometimes beat him in one on one contests. But hey he can be forgiven for that as he has just started his defensive career.

Today Sam Darcy 203cm slightly overweight body shape. Not necessarily unfit. But someone that Grundy would be able to emulate. His taps to advantage are elite and gives his mids first use. I’m certain even Adams disposal would get better with first use. Hopefully.

I know this may seem like a bagging out of Grundy. But it’s not. I just don’t see any value in Grundy doing what he has done in the past. He racks up 25 possessions and gains 140 SuperCoach points. With a below 50% efficiency. Yet has only 2 marks and has no defensive intercepts or marks. And we lose by less than two goals.

Appreciate you giving a more developed response. Even though it may seem differing. I think we’re getting to a similar position.


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I suspect there has been a change and Brodie hasn't worked it out properly yet, as he's become really inconspicuous outside of stoppage. I suspect that he's just getting a bit lost in no man's land due to not having adapted to changed instruction.

In stoppage he needs to try to handball more and when he has to kick he needs to concentrate on the connection rather than laying back and trying to roost it a mile off a step as they are always just miskicked turnovers.

I don't think Adams needs to change anything other than his kicking versus Brissy that was worse than normal. We're trying to take off as a team and run it in a wave to get over the defence - whoever ends up with the kick isn't really controllable just depends on how the tacklers react. He'll end up the clear kicker a lot because he runs so hard and intelligently

It's Crisp and J Daicos who I think need to adjust to a differing style and more of a whole team transition mode. Daicos needs to handball off and try to be part of the wave running rather than always twisting and turning and finding space to be the kicker - that just results in his kicks going the distance the defence wants and are set up for. His kicks are being intercepted a heap. And Crisp needs to handball off rather than trying to be the solo runner like he was so often, as that too often results in a pressured shanked turnover.

It's going to take time to reprogram them all. But we're looking promising.
 
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An opportunity next week for Grundy to rewind the clock and dominate with Phillips out. He needs to show up next week and own Draper otherwise this thread will go next stage nuclear
 
Watched the Lions game again today.

Grundy’s tap work was top level I thought.

Sure he didn’t get many possessions but his tap work to advantage was quite elite at times.

The pile on has been quite undignified and lacking footy intelligence
He certainly was not our worst but not close to our best.

It’s an old chestnut but I would always save the big bucks for key position (mainly forwards) and quality mids.
 
Watched the Lions game again today.

Grundy’s tap work was top level I thought.

Sure he didn’t get many possessions but his tap work to advantage was quite elite at times.

The pile on has been quite undignified and lacking footy intelligence
Interesting observation but why did Brisbane keep getting the clearances, they were walking out of stoppages at times
 

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which part was excessive, the length or the coin?
It amounts to the same thing.
The coin is a bigger problem as it diminishes the balance of the salary cap to lure and pay the others we need.

Every club lives with a player or two doing superannuation laps. Just as we did with Ben Reid. I can live with the length, especially if the player is delivering in the first 5 of the seven years and become veteran depth towards the end.
 
I suspect there has been a change and Brodie hasn't worked it out properly yet, as he's become really inconspicuous outside of stoppage. I suspect that he's just getting a bit lost in no man's land due to not having adapted to changed instruction.

In stoppage he needs to try to handball more and when he has to kick he needs to concentrate on the connection rather than laying back and trying to roost it a mile off a step as they are always just miskicked turnovers.

I don't think Adams needs to change anything other than his kicking versus Brissy that was worse than normal. We're trying to take off as a team and run it in a wave to get over the defence - whoever ends up with the kick isn't really controllable just depends on how the tacklers react. He'll end up the clear kicker a lot because he runs so hard and intelligently

It's Crisp and J Daicos who I think need to adjust to a differing style and more of a whole team transition mode. Daicos needs to handball off and try to be part of the wave running rather than always twisting and turning and finding space to be the kicker - that just results in his kicks going the distance the defence wants and are set up for. His kicks are being intercepted a heap. And Crisp needs to handball off rather than trying to be the solo runner like he was so often, as that too often results in a pressured shanked turnover.

It's going to take time to reprogram them all. But we're looking promising.

Absolutely.


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Watched the Lions game again today.

Grundy’s tap work was top level I thought.

Sure he didn’t get many possessions but his tap work to advantage was quite elite at times.

The pile on has been quite undignified and lacking footy intelligence

Stop being a dufflecoater. His tap work was passable at best.

But he is not just their for tap work.
0 marks 0 tackles 0 score involvements.

He hasn’t taken a defensive mark all season so far.

If your going to put up that sort of rubbish. Be prepared for a volley in return.


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Stop being a dufflecoater. His tap work was passable at best.

But he is not just their for tap work.
0 marks 0 tackles 0 score involvements.

He hasn’t taken a defensive mark all season so far.

If your going to put up that sort of rubbish. Be prepared for a volley in return.


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His tap work in the last quarter was crucial to us nearly winning the game.
 
He must have missed the fact that Grundy is the number 1 ruckman for clearances, top 2 for inside 50s, and top 3 for hitouts.
Imagine once he hits his straps??!!

You lord that as if it means anything. Yet you don’t seem to understand why he gets those stats.

He is number 1 ruck for clearances because he taps to himself. Who else can get to most of those taps. Yep that’s right just Grundy.

And most teams now know he will do it so they have pressure on him. That’s why even though he may get the clearance. He turns it over most of the time.

I love the inside 50 stat. It’s like the Christmas saying, every time a Christmas bell rings another angel gets it’s wings. Instead, every time Grundy gets an inside 50, the opposition halfbacks rebound swiftly. We cop so many rebound goals because of his dump kicks.

And his Hit Out stats are laughable. A better stat would be taps to advantage.


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You lord that as if it means anything. Yet you don’t seem to understand why he gets those stats.

He is number 1 ruck for clearances because he taps to himself. Who else can get to most of those taps. Yep that’s right just Grundy.

And most teams now know he will do it so they have pressure on him. That’s why even though he may get the clearance. He turns it over most of the time.

I love the inside 50 stat. It’s like the Christmas saying, every time a Christmas bell rings another angel gets it’s wings. Instead, every time Grundy gets an inside 50, the opposition halfbacks rebound swiftly. We cop so many rebound goals because of his dump kicks.

And his Hit Out stats are laughable. A better stat would be taps to advantage.


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Baffling misinterpretation of the stats. Grundy has a higher amount of total hitouts and a higher amount of hitouts to advantage, AND a higher hitout to advantage percentage than guys like Gawn, Naitanui, Nankervis, Draper and Marshall.

How does he manage that if he only taps to himself?
 
Watched the Lions game again today.

Grundy’s tap work was top level I thought.

Sure he didn’t get many possessions but his tap work to advantage was quite elite at times.

The pile on has been quite undignified and lacking footy intelligence

Calling an ok performance at best of Grundy’s tap work against Brisbane “top shelf”?

I get that some of the criticism could be excessive, but let’s not praise him excessively either.

It’s posts like these that encourage the “pile on” on Grundy.

2018/19 was top shelf and I personally believe we all want him to reach those heights again. Unfortunately at the moment, it doesn’t seem like he is even close to that.


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2022 selected Stats compared to his best year 2019 and to his career average…bearing in mind 2022 is only five games in.

Marks
2022 1.8
2019 4.4
Career 3.5

Contested marks
0.2
1.2
0.9

Clearances
6.0
6.1
4.1

Hitouts
29.8
42.6
31.8

Disposals
17.0
21.3
17.4

Contested possessions
11.0
13.7
10.1

Inside 50s
4.2
2.1
2.2

Disposal efficiency
54.1
67.8
67.1

Marks inside 50 ( never been a feature of his game)
0
0.2
0.2

Tackles
4.2
4.3
4.2


There’s plenty he’s still doing right but clearly he needs to take more marks and also tidy up disposal. Neither of these things were a particular feature of his game though in his AA years
 
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2022 selected Stats compared to his best year 2019 and to his career average…bearing in mind 2022 is only five games in.

Marks
2022 1.8
2019 4.4
Career 3.5

Contested marks
0.2
1.2
0.9

Clearances
6.0
6.1
4.1

Hitouts
29.8
42.6
31.8

Disposals
17.0
21.3
17.4

Contested possessions
11.0
13.7
10.1

Inside 50s
4.2
2.1
2.2

Disposal efficiency
54.1
67.8
67.1

Marks inside 50 ( never been a feature of his game)
0
0.2
0.2


There’s plenty he’s still doing right but clearly he needs to take more marks and also tidy up disposal. Neither of these things were a particular feature of his game though in his AA years
Yep. He is a long way from 2018/2019. His marking in particular really needs to step up.
I think we all agree we want to see him get back to that level.
It seems much of the debate centres on whether he is currently a poor ruckman. His performances v his salary has been ordinary. But if he was on $600k, we would be saying he is doing better than his job. Seems to be all relative.
 
Yep. He is a long way from 2018/2019. His marking in particular really needs to step up.
I think we all agree we want to see him get back to that level.
It seems much of the debate centres on whether he is currently a poor ruckman. His performances v his salary has been ordinary. But if he was on $600k, we would be saying he is doing better than his job. Seems to be all relative.

The salary is what it is and quite frankly it’s a boring argument. It’s really the length of the contract rather than the annual effect on the salary cap that I have some issues with but we can’t change that.

To regain AA standard is the ideal but realistically speaking we need him to be somewhere near that… even if he doesn’t quite reach those heights. He needs basically to catch the ball more… both contested and uncontested… and that will instantly improve his disposal efficiency because kicks taken after marks give you more time to hit the target.

As a ruckman and ruck/clrearance beast he’s still doing his job very effectively
 
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