Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[magpie_marty]

Just wondering if Grundy sees himself as irreplaceable in the best 22 due to no upcoming threat to take his position.

 

[HFF]

Just wondering if Grundy sees himself as irreplaceable in the best 22 due to no upcoming threat to take his position.

If you’re on a $1m per season for another 5...and there’s no genuine back up ruck to push you out...the answer is yes. You would find yourself thinking you’re definitely irreplaceable

 

[Drought Break]

Been saying for a Few Years he should at least Rest sometimes up Forward

Need to be able to mark to “ rest” forward. Otherwise he’s just a witches hat.

 

[HFF]

Need to be able to mark to “ rest” forward. Otherwise he’s just a witches hat.

Hasn’t stopped Cox from stealing a living....

 

[magpie_marty]

If you’re on a $1m per season for another 5...and there’s no genuine back up ruck to push you out...the answer is yes. You would find yourself thinking you’re definitely irreplaceable

Indeed I have seen this in the workplace as in an employee gets comfortable and no need to push themselves.

 

[Drought Break]

Hasn’t stopped Cox from stealing a living....

Can’t argue with that.

 

[jonbe54]

It's been missing every since Covid Started but afterwards he has not been the Same

The young man that put Mumford flat on his rrrrs is gone forever TD.

We have only the shell of that young man.

He's getting by and sort of contributing but the attitude is gone.

And rucking is all about attitude.

 

[sr36]

Nobody is taking this one on unfortunately

If we paid $300,000 of it like with Treloar - clubs would be very keen.

 

[Wearmouth]

Seriously your eyes I painted on - I never said the dump kick should be the first option. It’s the option when keeping possession with a HB or kick isn’t possible. Which is usually the case in contested and tight situations.

It’s a simple reality and used by the best teams even Melb.
That you have no capacity to understand this very simple tenant of the game is regrettable.

I’ve made my point, and have no interest in offering basic lessons on how the games played.

“AFL for dummies” might be a book you should consider buying,

Hope you’re watching the game. There’ll be a pop quiz afterwards….

And because you’ve already read AFL for dummies you should have no problem answering any of the questions.

As they are all simple…..


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[JLC]

Totally agree that Cox (and the other so called "whipping boys") get treated totally unfairly on here as well. Surely people can concentrate on positives rather than endless negatives....or is that just too hard?

 

[No SPIN]

Yet I end up right all the time, how’s Buckley going? I know daring to say he was a crap coach really pissed off a lot of people on here!

Wow - what a genius you are.
Picking a Coach that won’t win flag, That’s the easiest game in town sport.
Next you’re going to give us a list who’s not going to win a Brownlow or the Coleman.
We are so lucky to have your Genius insight in our midst.

 

[Wearmouth]

Students required for Quiz

NO SPIN
SR36


Questions

What do good teams do when the set up defensively?

Why do good teams put enormous pressure on the ball carrier?

What do poor teams with poor disposal efficiency generally do?

What do good teams do when they have the ball in hand?

What do most Ruckman do when they contest in the ruck?

Which Ruckman won the contest today?

What were the important things that Ruckman did to help his team win the day?

Whose midfield and halfback line won the day?

Whose forwards had an easier day of it?

Whose back line didn’t have to do much today?

Which team was the dumb team?

And whose coach was the dumb coach?



Please note any resources used and pages used from “AFL for Dummies” to supplement your answers.

Duration of Quiz 15 minutes.


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[JB007]

 

[ksardog]

If you don’t think the game is about gaining Territory I can’t help you.

Why do we lament CB getting caught constantly or T/O the ball with handballs?
It’s because in both cases he’s given up Territory, where any kick fwd would have done the opposite and therefore preferred.

why doesn’t the whole side just kick the ball forward aimlessly then if territory is the goal.
he shits the bed and gives up possession way too easily, if you can’t see that, you got the problem

 

[No SPIN]

why doesn’t the whole side just kick the ball forward aimlessly then if territory is the goal.
he shits the bed and gives up possession way too easily, if you can’t see that, you got the problem

Go back and read my posts and you’ll see the answer.

 

[golazo]

This is definitely reaching 1000 pages by the end of the 7 years.

 

[Kappa]

Just wondering if Grundy sees himself as irreplaceable in the best 22 due to no upcoming threat to take his position.

Got himself a life time contract and now can just relax and rake in the money. Not that he doesn't try anymore, just doesn't work as hard as he used to.

 

[sr36]

Students required for Quiz

NO SPIN
SR36


Questions

What do good teams do when the set up defensively?

Why do good teams put enormous pressure on the ball carrier?

What do poor teams with poor disposal efficiency generally do?

What do good teams do when they have the ball in hand?

What do most Ruckman do when they contest in the ruck?

Which Ruckman won the contest today?

What were the important things that Ruckman did to help his team win the day?

Whose midfield and halfback line won the day?

Whose forwards had an easier day of it?

Whose back line didn’t have to do much today?

Which team was the dumb team?

And whose coach was the dumb coach?



Please note any resources used and pages used from “AFL for Dummies” to supplement your answers.

Duration of Quiz 15 minutes.


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I didn't watch the Essendon game, if that's the one you're referring to and I certainly didn't watch it live or from an aerial shot where you can really understand exactly how the teams are structuring.

But your distinction between what good teams do and what bad teams do is laughable, because most of them are attempting very similar things. There's a few ways to skin the cat defensively, but the most fashionable is for the core defenders to play a sagging man on man defence or sometimes a spacial zone, with the defender attempting to position in front and corridor side of the opponent when the forward is positioned to receive a kick. Then the plan is to apply enough pressure that most kicks drop short to the defender - meanwhile when in team defence mode, the runners have also shifted back to clog up space, which also puts them in position to receive and rebound after an intercept.

It's not that good teams are trying to do anything differently defensively - (it's transition plans that vary the most). A team like Melbourne has experienced defenders who position immaculately, read the ball flight immaculately and clunk their marks. Meanwhile their mids are the best at getting clear and getting it over or outside the defenders. I'm someone who wouldn't pay as much for KPFs as everyone else, as I think that great defenders and mids who can get it to forwards are currently more valuable.

A ruckman's main job (the thing that makes us call them ruckman) is to contribute at stoppage and help their team firstly win the ball and hopefully exit stoppage cleanly, which can be done in a variety of different ways, first the tap and then from Mumford blocking or Grundy and Jackson getting their hands on the footy. One of the reasons that Grundy's work around stoppage has dropped off is that teams have got better at not over-committing tacklers, so he's less likely to have an easy handball target than he did and thus our exits have been scrappier since- his handball to kick ratio has risen and his kicking from stoppage is really bad - in 2018 our mids really exploited over-committed tackling teams.

After stoppage it depends on the ruckman's and other players strengths regarding what the ruckman does. Gawn will regularly play as a traditional ruckman and drop into the space behind the ball where most long kicks will go and help defend and mark long balls. Under Bucks, we used to use a wingman for that and Grundy would play more like a mid and thus get involved in more chains on the way out - another reason his output has dropped off. I'm not sure what his role after stoppage is now - as I haven't seen us live or aerial footage.

 

[manicpie]

I didn't watch the Essendon game, if that's the one you're referring to and I certainly didn't watch it live or from an aerial shot where you can really understand exactly how the teams are structuring.

But your distinction between what good teams do and what bad teams do is laughable, because most of them are attempting very similar things. There's a few ways to skin the cat defensively, but the most fashionable is for the core defenders to play a sagging man on man defence or sometimes a spacial zone, with the defender attempting to position in front and corridor side of the opponent when the forward is positioned to receive a kick. Then the plan is to apply enough pressure that most kicks drop short to the defender - meanwhile when in team defence mode, the runners have also shifted back to clog up space, which also puts them in position to receive and rebound after an intercept.

It's not that good teams are trying to do anything differently defensively - (it's transition plans that vary the most). A team like Melbourne has experienced defenders who position immaculately, read the ball flight immaculately and clunk their marks. Meanwhile their mids are the best at getting clear and getting it over or outside the defenders. I'm someone who wouldn't pay as much for KPFs as everyone else, as I think that great defenders and mids who can get it to forwards are more valuable.

A ruckman's main job (the thing that makes us call them ruckman) is to contribute at stoppage and help their team firstly win the ball and hopefully exit stoppage cleanly, which can be done in a variety of different ways, first the tap and then from Mumford blocking or Grundy and Jackson getting their hands on the footy. One of the reasons that Grundy's work around stoppage has dropped off is that teams have got better at not over-committing tacklers, so he's less likely to have an easy handball target than he did and thus our exits have been scrappier since- his kicking from stoppage is really bad - in 2018 our mids really exploited over-committed tackling teams.

After stoppage it depends on the ruckman's and other players strengths regarding what the ruckman does. Gawn will regularly play as a traditional ruckman and drop into the space behind the ball where most long kicks will go and help defend and mark long balls. Under Bucks, we used to use a wingman for that and Grundy would play more like a mid and thus get involved in more chains on the way out - another reason his output has dropped off. I'm not sure what his role after stoppage is now - as I haven't seen us live or aerial footage.

I agree with evereything you say except that I wish we had a little bit better quality KF's than we do now. Cox and Cameron were woeful. I think Freddy will help improve us in that regard. if the KF is really good, then sides tend to become predictable in their forward entries. That's why I'm hoping we can land Keeler because his athleticism alone adds a different dimension to a forward line, his ground ball game and rucking ability also make him a perfect target for us.

 

[sr36]

I agree with evereything you say except that I wish we had a little bit better quality KF's than we do now. Cox and Cameron were woeful. I think Freddy will help improve us in that regard. if the KF is really good, then sides tend to become predictable in their forward entries. That's why I'm hoping we can land Keeler because his athleticism alone adds a different dimension to a forward line, his ground ball game and rucking ability also make him a perfect target for us.

We definitely need better ones - ones who can crash a contest and bring the ball to groundv because the way the game currently is played the ball is kicked to the advantage of a defender more often than a forward (Kreuger looks awesome in this regard) and are smart and fast enough to get into kickable space when they see mids have gotten into the clear and the defenders positioning is exploitable. But the thing that annoys me most of all with ours is that the good ones mark or win a free every single time when the mids get it over the top to them with the defender running back with the flight of the ball - Cameron and Cox turn it into a 50/50.

I'm a Mihocek fan. Who knows how complete Kreuger will end up being - but he's going to cause more spills if nothing else and his long left boot should give us some over the top goals. We need another good one. I wouldn't pay a fortune though as I just don't think they're as influential in today's game - they used to be the most important players on the field.

 

[dinderman]

MSN

www.msn.com

"He used to rag doll Tim English and guys like that and get the ball forward, but at the moment I think everyone's matching the physicality with him."

"He had not one effective kick on the weekend, didn't lay a tackle, didn't take a mark."

 

[Wearmouth]

I didn't watch the Essendon game, if that's the one you're referring to and I certainly didn't watch it live or from an aerial shot where you can really understand exactly how the teams are structuring.

But your distinction between what good teams do and what bad teams do is laughable, because most of them are attempting very similar things. There's a few ways to skin the cat defensively, but the most fashionable is for the core defenders to play a sagging man on man defence or sometimes a spacial zone, with the defender attempting to position in front and corridor side of the opponent when the forward is positioned to receive a kick. Then the plan is to apply enough pressure that most kicks drop short to the defender - meanwhile when in team defence mode, the runners have also shifted back to clog up space, which also puts them in position to receive and rebound after an intercept.

It's not that good teams are trying to do anything differently defensively - (it's transition plans that vary the most). A team like Melbourne has experienced defenders who position immaculately, read the ball flight immaculately and clunk their marks. Meanwhile their mids are the best at getting clear and getting it over or outside the defenders. I'm someone who wouldn't pay as much for KPFs as everyone else, as I think that great defenders and mids who can get it to forwards are currently more valuable.

A ruckman's main job (the thing that makes us call them ruckman) is to contribute at stoppage and help their team firstly win the ball and hopefully exit stoppage cleanly, which can be done in a variety of different ways, first the tap and then from Mumford blocking or Grundy and Jackson getting their hands on the footy. One of the reasons that Grundy's work around stoppage has dropped off is that teams have got better at not over-committing tacklers, so he's less likely to have an easy handball target than he did and thus our exits have been scrappier since- his handball to kick ratio has risen and his kicking from stoppage is really bad - in 2018 our mids really exploited over-committed tackling teams.

After stoppage it depends on the ruckman's and other players strengths regarding what the ruckman does. Gawn will regularly play as a traditional ruckman and drop into the space behind the ball where most long kicks will go and help defend and mark long balls. Under Bucks, we used to use a wingman for that and Grundy would play more like a mid and thus get involved in more chains on the way out - another reason his output has dropped off. I'm not sure what his role after stoppage is now - as I haven't seen us live or aerial footage.

Yes it was todays game. However the questions are pertinent to any game.

Now we are making progress SR36.

Blind acceptance serves no one.
The good teams and bad teams is just reference terminology. Good teams force you into not playing your game plan and force you into the decisions they want you to make. They can then take advantage of your turnovers and hurt you.

At the moment we are a good team for parts of the game. Because we are let down by what we are discussing. We are applying the right pressures. For most parts. We are winning our fare share of the contested ball. We are even getting the ball in the hands of the forwards in good positions to enact scores.

Where we need help at the moment and where the likes of Grundy and Adams could give us way more. Is to curb their selfish need to impress and now take on roles that will enhance their outputs to the team. I have no doubt their value to the team will be well improved if they change their emphasis.

Pendles is a great example of this. He could quite well still play in the guts and leave the defending for others to do. But he has adopted a new role and added to our rebounding from HB. Also his hit ups and efficiency has help. Now yes he has let his players sometimes beat him in one on one contests. But hey he can be forgiven for that as he has just started his defensive career.

Today Sam Darcy 203cm slightly overweight body shape. Not necessarily unfit. But someone that Grundy would be able to emulate. His taps to advantage are elite and gives his mids first use. I’m certain even Adams disposal would get better with first use. Hopefully.

I know this may seem like a bagging out of Grundy. But it’s not. I just don’t see any value in Grundy doing what he has done in the past. He racks up 25 possessions and gains 140 SuperCoach points. With a below 50% efficiency. Yet has only 2 marks and has no defensive intercepts or marks. And we lose by less than two goals.

Appreciate you giving a more developed response. Even though it may seem differing. I think we’re getting to a similar position.


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[frizzle]

I think it’s fair enough that questions are being asked about his form. With a bit of luck he reads it & pulls his finger out.
A fired up Grundy will make us better.

 

[eddiesmith]

Indeed I have seen this in the workplace as in an employee gets comfortable and no need to push themselves.

Plus he’s publicly said that he doesn’t care if he wins a premiership or not…

 

[Finnishpie]

At 28 a ruckman isn’t going to get better and better, he’s on the downward slope and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.

Luckily for him a premiership isn’t a goal of his.

Yeah, maybe. I thought he was 26 for some reason.