Pretty good appraisal. Has better than average pace now, not Dangerfield like, closer to Ablett, and players do slow down in their late 20's-30. So another year or two and he will probably slow down. But has a great boot on him and can go forward. But GOAT, left his run to late, and you are only as good as your next season, ask Fyfe. (injuries etc)
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Opinion Can Dustin Martin be the GOAT? (Answer: no)
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Cdog71
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I'm sure I'll be corrected but I can't think of a player who's as good, or was, by foot over 50mtr runnin at pace.
His ability to play at his best when there's media on his back or the distraction of his dads stuff is pretty impressive add to that he's a player who doesn't lose his cool or look to the umpires to swing a free, it's pretty awesome.
GOAT?
No such thing.
His ability to play at his best when there's media on his back or the distraction of his dads stuff is pretty impressive add to that he's a player who doesn't lose his cool or look to the umpires to swing a free, it's pretty awesome.
GOAT?
No such thing.
Sttew
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Already better than Ablett? Lost me there. He’s about on par with Dangerfield both of who have a lot of territory to cover to come anywhere near GAJ.
To think, Ablett Senior and Ablett Junior will go down as two of the GOAT in AFL
Why not? He just had one of the greatest single seasons ever. He’s already up there by my reckoning.
Unless he maintains this standard for a few more years, he wont be the GOAT. Not going to happen.
He could be talked about amongst the greats in years to come though. I reckon he will get there, he shows no signs of dropping off.
He could be talked about amongst the greats in years to come though. I reckon he will get there, he shows no signs of dropping off.
Pure shit.
5 x ALFPA MVP winner, 3 ahead of the next tier of Voss, Carey, Fyfe, and Judd.
Additionally, Ablett is the ONLY player in AFL history to poll 20+ brownlow votes in 8 consecutive seasons.
Name 1 player who was consistently competing with Ablett over that 8 year period for the title of best in the league?!
Judd was almost universally regarded as the 2nd best in the same time period, even he was a class under GAJ.
Martin would be very lucky to achieve half of GAJ's accolades.
It's not even close.
Martin is a much nicer guy
AFL GOAT? no chance.
Richmond GOAT? possibly.
Honestly, I think when he and Danger retire, Dangerfield will be regarded the better player. Then you have GAJ who people don't even recognize as the GOAT and Dusty won't get close to him imo. Then you also have your Kelly/Bontempelli/Oliver/Shiel/Cripps etc who have AA's, BnF's already at 22< and I suspect 1 of them will blow up and will get a "Can Kelly be the GOAT" thread. They also still have 4-5 years until their Dustys age who only has 2 AA's, 2 BnF's, 1 Brownlow and 1 Rising Star at 26.
Dusty is a stud, I could see him going down as top 20 with Judd and Hird if everything goes right from this point on. GOAT? come on...
Richmond GOAT? possibly.
Honestly, I think when he and Danger retire, Dangerfield will be regarded the better player. Then you have GAJ who people don't even recognize as the GOAT and Dusty won't get close to him imo. Then you also have your Kelly/Bontempelli/Oliver/Shiel/Cripps etc who have AA's, BnF's already at 22< and I suspect 1 of them will blow up and will get a "Can Kelly be the GOAT" thread. They also still have 4-5 years until their Dustys age who only has 2 AA's, 2 BnF's, 1 Brownlow and 1 Rising Star at 26.
Dusty is a stud, I could see him going down as top 20 with Judd and Hird if everything goes right from this point on. GOAT? come on...
Dusty is an unselfish team man, who is loyal and always puts his teammates first.
GAJ is a selfish mercenary who always puts himself first.
You are right though, it is not even close
Sttew
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Remind me who he played for
You really need to let Leigh Matthews know that, when it comes to footy, he has no idea.
Can I have your autograph please?
Sttew
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Ablett, Carey, Ablett, Mathews, Jezza, Blight, Voss, Hird, Swan, the list goes on.
Martin is great to watch, true champion, but please please please, give us a break.
Must admit though, what a great season, pressure all round but still found time to carry a club to the top of the mountain.
Martin is great to watch, true champion, but please please please, give us a break.
Must admit though, what a great season, pressure all round but still found time to carry a club to the top of the mountain.
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Martin finished 7th, 3rd, and 1st in the Brownlow over the past 3 years, and it's not unreasonable for him to have another 4 years at the top.
By that time, he'll be challenging Ablett's sustained dominance, however it's never easy to sustain this level of output.
Martin's best is slightly more impactful than Ablett's though, IMO.
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not even convincingly this years best player.
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Rance2Mewtwo
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Martin can do precise 60m passes across the field.
He can literally push 3-4 guys off their feet and come bursting out of a pack, run 40m then kick it 60m to a teammate in space for a goal.
The pure strength.
Ablett has higher statistical output, but Martin's sheer strength and precise long kicking make him a slightly more impactful/damaging player than Ablett.
Martin just goes BANG GET OUT OF MY WAY and there's nothing anyone can do. Ablett's not like that.
Sttew
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Martin is only slightly more "impactful' because he has got away with the "don't argue with me" tactic. Otherwise he is behind GAJ in virtually all measurable. In the 1H of the GF Martin tried that ploy and got tackled successfully a number of times. He had a brilliant 4Q.
I expect teams will spend Summer working out how to nullify Dusty and his "don't argue"
Well Adelaide did nullify Martin's dominance in the GF up to a point. They double and triple teamed him and got a couple of holding the balls. But the amount of time Martin dished it off to one of his tacklers opponents, who had to leave their man to do so, left them short around the packs. A good part of Richmond dominance was because of this. I imagine the same thing happened to Ablett, Geelong people will know better than me. That was why he was so good for so long, it took more than one player to hold him, although Ablett did it more through explosive work rate, like Dangerfield, and Martin does it more on strength and surprising finesse. These are the great players, like Judd and Voss etc.
No ?
The afl players voted Martin as the best player in the league
The afl coaches voted Martin the best player in the league
The afl umpires voted Martin the best player in the league
The afl coaches voted Martin the best player in the finals
The afl media voted Martin the best player in the grand final
So Martin peers , the players, the media , the coaches , and the umpires all voted Martin the best player in the league and you still think this is not convincing ?
now I know it must hurt that he took a $2 million pay cut to NOT play with north but try and get over it , get some professional help or something dude . It is very sad to watch
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How far ahead of Dangerfield was he in each of those awards? The point, I believe, is that he's not clearly better than Dangerfield, which is not an unfair point. They were pretty much neck and neck all year.
That said, it seems like umpires and award judges are becoming more star struck with each passing year. New records are constantly being set, which means either today's stars are substantially better than in the past or everyone else is worse. Neither of which I think are true. I thought Martin was Richmond's second or third best player in the grand final, but they still handed over the Norm Smith.
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dangerfield 4 votes behind in coaches votes
dangerfield 3 votes behind in brownlow
in both instances he played 1 less game - could've easily won/drawn. I personally have dangerfield ahead of him - faster, better mark and more consistent, many others will agree.
as for the rest of your comment - grow up.
