Changes for Brisbane

[Schulzenfest]

(a little bit Korne-esque, but still)

This is what worries me. We need to take steps to ensure that Jacobs doesn't end up like Kornes without the tagging ability, because as we've seen this year Kornes without the tagging ability is crap.

I would be more worried about someone like Broadbent or Thomas who not only don't get enough of the ball, but when they do, they invariably butcher it

On current form Jacobs not getting enough of the ball would be an improvement.

 

[FishingRick04]

Thomas kicked a nice goal however, so that should keep him safe hey

 

[Peck]

What the **** is this comparison of Jacobs to Kornes in a negative light. Kane was one of about 3 players yesterday who actually ran hard, I just can't believe the disrespect that people show the guy.

Jacobs can win the ball, if you think that a player will come in and hit targets all the time from their first game you really don't watch enough footy.

Thomas' goal was brilliant Rick, not sure what happened to him for the rest of the game, really hate having to watch all these games on TV!!

I think I posted some ins and outs before, but now I'm more sure of what it should and hopefully will be.

OUT: Hartlett, Carlile, Pittard
IN: Banner, Cornes, Salopek

EDIT: I will add that I would love to see Westhoff/Rodan/whoever else didn't run backwards dropped, but as Macca said its not just a few players not doing it, but the team as a whole. Though at least it would send some kind message.

 

[dav3]

Interesting that people want Jacobs dropped for poor disposal, yet they make very little mention of wanting Kornes dropped. At least if they keep playing Jacobs he may learn a little and pick up his game, meanwhile Kornes is probably going backwards.

They need to keep pushing the young blokes, and Brogan/Lobbe need to work in tandem so Lobbe can learn a thing or two.

 

[statman87]

Interesting that people want Jacobs dropped for poor disposal, yet they make very little mention of wanting Kornes dropped. At least if they keep playing Jacobs he may learn a little and pick up his game, meanwhile Kornes is probably going backwards.

They need to keep pushing the young blokes, and Brogan/Lobbe need to work in tandem so Lobbe can learn a thing or two.

Its interesting im quite surprised 'gopower' didnt rubbish Kornes this week like he rubbishes nearly everyone else, now he wants jacobs dropped ha ,theres a difference between winning and losing 'gopower' and you clearly dont know what that is ,so strike me down for me wanting to bring back our best players and please forgive me for wanting us to win a game,and ffor wanting us to stop playing shit each week, why do you even barrack for port 'gopower'

 

[Schulzenfest]

In case you haven't noticed, we're 16th, we haven't made the finals in 3 years and our so-called 'best players (I prefer the team senior players, because those guys aren't the 'best' anything)' are the ones who got us into this mess.

I'm sure that you genuinely have Port's best interests at heart, just like I do, but your method of getting us back to winning is moronic. Our senior players have repeatedly failed, and all but the best of them have to make way for the benefit of the young players who will be our senior players in the future, otherwise we'll be stuck in a never-ending cycle of what we're in now, because in 5 years time our current youngsters won't have the experience to be any better than our current seniors if they don't get gametime.

And even if bringing back some seniors would win us a game or two, I'd much rather have a few extra wins in a season where we might be a premiership chance than a few extra wins in a season where they'd take us from 2 wins to 4 or something like that. Port exist to win premierships, not to celebrate the difference between 13th and 16th. Winning games by playing seniors now doesn't get us closer to winning premierships, getting game time into youngsters does.

As for Kornes, I didn't rubbish him because he had a good game. I don't have agendas against players. If they play well, I'll praise them. If they play crap, I'll say they played crap.

 

[Froggy]

I think this week as it's a good chance for a win we go with experience and strength and go for the win.

Out: Pittard (inj), Bob (inj), O'Shea (omit), Kornes/Phillips
In: Salter, Ebert, Surjan, Banner

Pittard is injured so is Bob so we replace Bob with Salter and Pittard with Surjan.

I'd like to see O'Shea have a rest he looked woefully lost a lot against North, a lot he was just out of position and having no impact, Kane Corne's I can't see us needing to tag more than one of their midfielders so lets put him in the SANFL for a week as we know what he can do and if he's not tagging we'll he's not much value. If not him then Philips, he's had a taste, he needs to be better with his hands and mistakes like dropping a wide open mark 35metres out directly infront really really hurt (they went the other way and kicked a goal). Let's then bring in Ebert and Banner, Ebert, gives us another small forward who is better than Kornes/Philips who can rotate through the middle and let's have Banner run through the middle.

I think this balances us OK against Brisbane, a stronger team with 3 bigger bodies coming in and experience and you want Surjan and Salter back down there both happy to run into Brown and also it brings in in form people with Surjan, Ebert and Banner all playing well in the SANFL.

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

Out: Stewart, Pittard ( inj ) Carlile ( inj ) Phillips, Moore

In: Salter, Ebert, Surjan, Brogan, Banner

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

I would love to see Salter play forward but I think he will come in to play Pittard's role as kicker out of the back half. If Pittard didn;t get injured I would have expected to see Salter come in for Carlile.

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Ordinarily I'd agree with you and other posters saying Salts will come in as a backman.

But - seeing this weekend is my wedding, I'm positive Nick will come in, play full forward, boot a dozen, get 3 Brownlow votes, and I'll miss the lot.

 

[DonDraper]

Out: Pittard, Carlile (Hartlett too if he's injured, not sure of how he is with his shoulder)
In: Banner, Salter, Surjan

 

[Schulzenfest]

Congrats on the wedding FSC

Good to see you got over Daniel Stewart sleeping with your girlfriend enough to marry her

 

[P.A.F.C]

If Jacobs isn't losing confidence with his crap performances at AFL level, he's the most mentally strong (or mentally stubborn) player in history. If it was me, every time I missed a target on his own 20-30 metres away with neither of us under any pressure I'd be getting down on myself and thinking I'm not good enough for this level (which would make sense, because at this stage Jacobs isn't good enough for this level).

From all reports Jacobs was one of the best kicks in the draft, so his ridiculously bad kicking performances all year in the AFL must be him trying (and failing) to mentally deal with the pressure. Explain that the transition isn't as difficult as he clearly thinks it is (just look at Lobbe), send him back to the SANFL, and tell him that we're not worried about pure numbers so much as we are what he does with the ball. If he uses it well in the SANFL for a week or two to get his confidence back up, then he can come back into the AFL side.
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This was the same argument given to dropping Cam O'Shea after a couple of games. These are professionals and the coaching staff wouldn't exactly be asking them to be complete footballers in their first year.

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

Congrats on the wedding FSC

Good to see you got over Daniel Stewart sleeping with your girlfriend enough to marry her

Cheeky sod
There' a million lines here, but as I don't know the site protocol on libel, I'll abstain....

 

[Forzaport]

One thing that did impress me was that Jacobs never dropped his head and kept on putting the effort in despite his continuous poor disposal. He can rack up the numbers but he needs to hit targets. I'm happy for him to stay in the team for now, it'll come together for him soon enough.

 

[brogan2motlop]

Buddy was taken at pick 5 and made an impact almost immediately.
Watts was taken at pick 1 and as a 17 year old, the youngest in the draft, so of course he was given patience.
Jamar is a big bodied, brute of a ruck, Stewart is a forward who can play in the ruck.

Stewart was a rookie pick, who is now 23 years old, who can dominate in the SANFL but has had ONE good game in the AFL. You can look at his attributes and salivate all you like, the fact is he just doesn't have the required attitude.

No they weren't none of them made impact including buddy...took him 4 years..i would like to see whAt you said about tredders when he first started too

Our midfield is shit you can't expect Stewart to show anything when our team is shit and our forward structure is non existent that goes for all our youngsters

Just wait Stewart will be a jet needs 1 more season of a string of games

 

[Schulzenfest]

No they weren't none of them made impact including buddy...took him 4 years

Buddy won the Coleman with over 100 goals in his fourth year. Is that your minimum standard for having an impact? 21, 31 and 73 goals in his first three years aren't having an impact?

i would like to see whAt you said about tredders when he first started too

Warren Tredrea kicked 33 goals from 17 games in his second year with bags of 8 and 6.

While trying to defend Stewart, you've actually condemned him by showing how badly he compares to the guys you mentioned. Not to mention that Stewart is 23 years old. Buddy Franklin had won a Coleman by the age of 21.

 

[FishingRick04]

I haven't given up hope for Stewart, lets face it, all the forwards looked liked goats for the 2 quarters we were smashed.

Also if he was classed a ruckman, people would be saying he still young. Because he entered the system later maybe it's taking him longer also when you look at his age?

Lets give him a go and support the dude, what does shitcanning him every week actually serve?

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

No they weren't none of them made impact including buddy...took him 4 years..i would like to see whAt you said about tredders when he first started too

Our midfield is shit you can't expect Stewart to show anything when our team is shit and our forward structure is non existent that goes for all our youngsters

Just wait Stewart will be a jet needs 1 more season of a string of games

At the age of 18, in just his second game, Buddy kicked 3 goals 2, laid 3 tackles and picked up a Brownlow vote. He finished the year averaging 10.65 disposals and just over 1 goal per game.

For a 196cm KPF that's making a very speedy impact.

In his second season, at the age of 19, he had 31 goals from 14 games, including two hauls of 6 goals, averaging 11.1 disposals and 2.2 goals per game.

In his third season, at the age of 20, he kicked 73 goals 62 behinds. That's 135 scoring shots for the year for those playing at home. At 20 years old, averaging 13.3 disposals and 3.3 goals per game.

And you're saying he didn't make an impact almost immediately?

Daniel Stewart made his debut at the age of 21.

In his first season he averaged 7.9 disposals per game, 3.9 marks and just over 1 goal per game. Sure, he was 22 but there was still room for improvement, because he had the 4 goal game late last year that everyone thought alright, he's gonna fly up from here!

In his second season, at the age of 22, he is averaging 8.25 disposals and less than a goal per game. He hasn't cemented a spot as best 22 in the team.

This comparison is very unfair because Buddy is the best KPF in the comp, but you're the one who drew the comparison in the first place. I'm guessing this is because you see a lot of potential with Daniel (which we all do). The fact is, he doesn't seem to have the attitude required to be the force that his physical attributes suggest he could be.

But the facts state that Daniel Stewart is going backwards, not forwards like all the other KPF that have made it to becoming successful in the AFL.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

I haven't given up hope for Stewart, lets face it, all the forwards looked liked goats for the 2 quarters we were smashed.

Also if he was classed a ruckman, people would be saying he still young. Because he entered the system later maybe it's taking him longer also when you look at his age?

Lets give him a go and support the dude, what does shitcanning him every week actually serve?

I haven't given up hope either, and I'm not shitcanning him. But I called it last year when everyone was selecting him ahead of Westhoff in the "who is our best 22?" polls that they'd fallen in love with his potential.

And the fact is... he's not a ruckman. Just being 200cm doesn't automatically make you a ruckman. He's a forward who can play in the ruck, much like Tippett or Koschitzke.

Also, I don't get this 'entered the system later' hypocrisy that shows up. Everyone's happy to bag Davenport because of his age, but Daniel Stewart started late so he should be given leeway? Davenport only made his debut at the end of 2009. Stewart at the start of 2010. I've always been about output over age. Stewart has had one good game out of 19.

 

[SwampRat]

One thing that did impress me was that Jacobs never dropped his head and kept on putting the effort in despite his continuous poor disposal. He can rack up the numbers but he needs to hit targets. I'm happy for him to stay in the team for now, it'll come together for him soon enough.

I agree with this.

I think that this is a great point. I think it's gotten to a stage where selections need to be made on youth and attitude, rather than purely form. As a team, our main problem is attitude, not skills or even form. We need a cultural shift in the team, and need to be able to bring 22 guys each week who will always give 100% and never drop their heads. With the young guys, the ability will come.

We don't need players with great skills, but poor attitude. We've had plenty of them. Unfortunately, we have far too few players who tick all of the boxes, and a few who tick none.

 

[tribey]

Warren Tredrea kicked 33 goals from 17 games in his second year with bags of 8 and 6.

While trying to defend Stewart, you've actually condemned him by showing how badly he compares to the guys you mentioned. Not to mention that Stewart is 23 years old. Buddy Franklin had won a Coleman by the age of 21.

I'm of the belief Stewart must be persisted with, not only because of the glimpses he's shown but also because our stocks both forward and ruck are still so thin.

But yeah.

To wheel out Tredrea as any sort of early comparison is desperate.

He was an absolute freak while becoming a mainstay in our 1996 Premiership side while still doing Year 12 at St. Mick's. Looked a bit unco as he came to grips with his 5 minute wingman2KPF growthspurt, but his legspeed, agility and vertical leap for a kid of his size was ridiculous with a capital-R.

Despite being robbed of much of this raw athleticism as his knee problems periodically brought him down, he was always destined for greatness after the usual teething problems.

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

I'm of the belief Stewart must be persisted with, not only because of the glimpses he's shown but also because our stocks both forward and ruck are still so thin.

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Salter, Ebert, Butcher, Davenport, Lobbe, Redden, Bass suggests otherwise.

And that's just off the top of my head, a list of players who should be above him at selection in either of these positions.

Lobbe proved in the space of 40 minutes last week why he should be selected every game from hereon to ruck in front of Stewart.
And a fit Salter should be a lay down misere at full forward.

 

[Seriously]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you and other posters saying Salts will come in as a backman.

But - seeing this weekend is my wedding, I'm positive Nick will come in, play full forward, boot a dozen, get 3 Brownlow votes, and I'll miss the lot.

Congrats on the Wedding FSC

 

[Schulzenfest]

Actually, guys like Davenport, Lobbe (up until this week), Redden and Bass don't suggest otherwise. The whole reason we had to play Stewart despite his poor form is because those guys were performing even worse.

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

Actually, guys like Davenport, Lobbe (up until this week), Redden and Bass don't suggest otherwise. The whole reason we had to play Stewart despite his poor form is because those guys were performing even worse.

Correct, however my point was refuting the assertion that the stocks were thin on the ground.
We have the stocks, the cupboard isn't bare as some people think.