Changes for Brisbane

[Team DJ]

Lyon and Crouch should be coming in for Callinan and Johncock, not Douglas Vince and the Porp

 

[Tex200]

how does anyone know whether Lyons has the goods at all ATS

I'd like to see Lyons playing some games first before stamping the card of either Douglas, VB, or Vince.

Crouch has already demonstrated his class .....Lyons hasn't YET

Still believe Porps is "A" grade midfield potential .......the other can play other roles other than midfield ....VB i like at HB and Vince is a perfect HFF

Your comment on Lyons enhances my point. We don't know. What we do know is that he dominates SANFL and is banging down the door. We can't know if he will take the next step without him serving some time.

Are we really tagging Porps as a potential A grade mid? He is quality and I love as much as anyone, but surely on a question of potential we have seen all there is of Porps. Will he overtake Danger, Sloane etc?

The whole problem is that this group of players are generally much loved so its a hard discussion.

 

[Tex200]

Lyon and Crouch should be coming in for Callinan and Johncock, not Douglas Vince and the Porp

They are not in our midfield rotations. We can't play a whole team of mids, we need some specialists

 

[Team DJ]

They are not in our midfield rotations. We can't play a whole team of mids, we need some specialists

Of course we can. Youre telling me that rotating Vince Douglas Danger Wright Lyon etc through that small forward role wouldnt offer just as much as Callinan. Cmon man.

If i had 14 G Abletts. I would play them in every spot but the key posts.

 

[Tex200]

Of course we can. Youre telling me that rotating Vince Douglas Danger Wright Lyon etc through that small forward role wouldnt offer just as much as Callinan. Cmon man.

If i had 14 G Abletts. I would play them in every spot but the key posts.

So would I....but we dont have 14 Abletts.

I think your underating that small fwd role.

Perhaps one solution is to assign Porps to a permanent fwd role and freeing up his midfield minutes. He's not a small fwd though...almost a 3rd tall fwd as strange as that sounds

 

[Team DJ]

So would I....but we dont have 14 Abletts.

I think your underating that small fwd role.

Perhaps one solution is to assign Porps to a permanent fwd role and freeing up his midfield minutes. He's not a small fwd though...almost a 3rd tall fwd as strange as that sounds

Geelong havent really had a permanent small forward either. Chappy Stevie J all of those guys have a run on the Footy.

We dont have 14 Abletts. But Vince Douglas Porps etc could offer exactly what Callinan does and also give an extra rotation on the Footy too. All of our mids are more then capable of sneaking forward and slotting 1 or 2.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Unfortunately Porps will never be a consistent 1st tier midfielder. If push came to shove, everyday of the week I would drop a current 2nd tier midfielder (Douglas, Van Berlo, McKay, Vince, Wright etc )for a potential 1st tier young midfielder who is AFL ready to go, but not necessarily as a full time midfielder....Of course that all depends on what your priorities are as a club - being competitive or building for a premiership.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

For us to keep improving as a side we need to find a way to bring in players like Crouch, Lyon, Kerridge and Pig-Dog

For me and considering where we are at I do believe that we can afford to move Johncock, Martin, Jaensch and Callinan to the category of "depth players"

With this in mind Lyon can play forward with spurts in the midfield and Pets with Porpy playing the small forward role

Kerridge can play down back for a season or two before eventually moving to the midfield, and Rikey can join the mid rotation now

Time to invest in Crouch, Kerridge, Pig-Dog and Lyon and park Stiffy, Nutter, Jaensch and Martin to the "as required" category

 

[Tex200]

For us to keep improving as a side we need to find a way to bring in players like Crouch, Lyon, Kerridge and Pig-Dog

For me and considering where we are at I do believe that we can afford to move Johncock, Martin, Jaensch and Callinan to the category of "depth players"

With this in mind Lyon can play forward with spurts in the midfield and Pets with Porpy playing the small forward role

Kerridge can play down back for a season or two before eventually moving to the midfield, and Rikey can join the mid rotation now

Time to invest in Crouch, Kerridge, Pig-Dog and Lyon and park Stiffy, Nutter, Jaensch and Martin to the "as required" category

We are on the same track here, but my worry is to give mid minutes to these guys which means those minutes must be taken off those in the current rotation. Therein lies the problem.

Jaensch will make way for smith so he is out of the equation in any event.

Callinan and stiffy don't really take midfield time currently.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

We are on the same track here, but my worry is to give mid minutes to these guys which means those minutes must be taken off those in the current rotation. Therein lies the problem.

Jaensch will make way for smith so he is out of the equation in any event.

Callinan and stiffy don't really take midfield time currently.

I don't see a problem, I wouldn't give Kerridge minutes just yet unless its absolutely required as I would rather him cut his teeth down back

Lyons, will probably only be taking mid minutes from the Likes of Vince and Pizza Boy, however Pig-Dog needs to be part of the mid rotation as he will provide some extra protection to Danger

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Your comment on Lyons enhances my point. We don't know. What we do know is that he dominates SANFL and is banging down the door. We can't know if he will take the next step without him serving some time.

Are we really tagging Porps as a potential A grade mid? He is quality and I love as much as anyone, but surely on a question of potential we have seen all there is of Porps. Will he overtake Danger, Sloane etc?

The whole problem is that this group of players are generally much loved so its a hard discussion.

But the coaches do ......what they see on the training track is often undervalued
They're with him 6 days a week, they know his personality, his strengths & weaknesses .........he was signed to a new contract so they have faith in him ......but there is a pegging order and i have always supported players getting games on merit

This games on merit is not often supported by supporters ......they're looking under seas-shells for the pearl .....this at odds with team philosophy
When Lyons is ready the club will play him ......do you think they don't want to put their best side on the park each week

 

[Mike Smyth]

But the coaches do ......what they see on the training track is often undervalued
They're with him 6 days a week, they know his personality, his strengths & weaknesses .........he was signed to a new contract so they have faith in him ......but there is a pegging order and i have always supported players getting games on merit

This games on merit is not often supported by supporters ......they're looking under seas-shells for the pearl .....this at odds with team philosophy
When Lyons is ready the club will play him ......do you think they don't want to put their best side on the park each week

A strategy used so successfully by the current Australian Cricket Team. However this doesn't apply to us as there are afc players who aren't getting games based on merit.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

A strategy used so successfully by the current Australian Cricket Team. However this doesn't apply to us as there are afc players who aren't getting games based on merit.

The Australian selectors would say the same thing about players not getting chances .......now the side is in dis-array ......it doesn't work ever

 

[footy4ever]

Vince would be a good fit at Essendon with Goodwin being there. He'd add a hard body and Goody may help get the most out of him

If we were to trade him to the Bombers, i'm not sure we'd get his full currency due to lack of output and effort. Probably a 2nd round pick (which is better than we have now thanks to Trigg and co)

Seriously, this is simply not an option.

 

[Vader]

Unfortunately Porps will never be a consistent 1st tier midfielder. If push came to shove, everyday of the week I would drop a current 2nd tier midfielder (Douglas, Van Berlo, McKay, Vince, Wright etc )for a potential 1st tier young midfielder who is AFL ready to go, but not necessarily as a full time midfielder....Of course that all depends on what your priorities are as a club - being competitive or building for a premiership.

Fair enough.. but who are you suggesting that we bring in? Crouch is the only potential 1st tier young midfielder on our list, outside the current 22.

Secondly, why drop a 2nd tier midfielder when there are multiple 3rd and 4th tier players just crying out to be dropped? Just because they're your favourite scapegoats, doesn't mean that there's actually any logic in dropping them. These players are all safe as houses, because there are a large number of lesser players below them who should be (and will be) dropped long before the 2nd tier players (Martin, Jaensch, Petrenko, Callinan, Johncock, Otten).

 

[AFC979810]

Possibly the wrong thread as I'm not suggesting we drop those guys over the course of a week.

It's something which needs some thought imo as we have young, potentially dynamic mids screaming for apprentice minutes and a succession plan is needed.

No we don't.... We have one player who is young, potentially dynamic mid screaming to be played and that is crouch.... He will get a game this week.

The other Riley / Kerridge / Lyons - have shown a bit of ability but are not demanding selection this year (or last year).

 

[AFC979810]

A strategy used so successfully by the current Australian Cricket Team. However this doesn't apply to us as there are afc players who aren't getting games based on merit.

Completely and utterly wrong..

If our selection was like the Aussie Cricket team we would be 'resting' Danger/Thommo/Tex this week and giving games to other players on our roster...

I think many on here would love that policy so they could see the Riley get a game.

 

[Tex200]

Fair enough.. but who are you suggesting that we bring in? Crouch is the only potential 1st tier young midfielder on our list, outside the current 22.

Secondly, why drop a 2nd tier midfielder when there are multiple 3rd and 4th tier players just crying out to be dropped? Just because they're your favourite scapegoats, doesn't mean that there's actually any logic in dropping them. These players are all safe as houses, because there are a large number of lesser players below them who should be (and will be) dropped long before the 2nd tier players (Martin, Jaensch, Petrenko, Callinan, Johncock, Otten).

None of those players you mention occupy midfield positions.

If we agree crouch must serve an apprentiship ASAP...who gives over their minutes?

 

[Tex200]

No we don't.... We have one player who is young, potentially dynamic mid screaming to be played and that is crouch.... He will get a game this week.

The other Riley / Kerridge / Lyons - have shown a bit of ability but are not demanding selection this year (or last year).

I can agree on riley and kerridge. Lyons has shown plenty

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I can agree on riley and kerridge. Lyons has shown plenty

Lyon & Riley's sanfl form s at least comparable to Martin & Lyon so we lose nothing & in my opinion both Lyon & Riley are more likely to be 150 game players

 

[Vader]

None of those players you mention occupy midfield positions.

If we agree crouch must serve an apprentiship ASAP...who gives over their minutes?

We re-shuffle the deck chairs.

For example, Callinan, Pets, Martin & Stiffy are now all small forwards. By dropping 1 of them for Crouch, we would get some of our small mids to spend more time resting in the forward line instead of on the bench - players like Dangermouse, Vince, Wright or Douglas, all of whom have form & history in the forward line.

Similarly, if we were to drop a small-defender, then the likes of VB and Mackay spend more time in defence.

It's not a 1-for-1 swap. It required a reallocation of resources across several players and positions, but it could and should be easy enough to achieve for any of the players I previously named.

 

[Tex200]

We re-shuffle the deck chairs.

For example, Callinan, Pets, Martin & Stiffy are now all small forwards. By dropping 1 of them for Crouch, we would get some of our small mids to spend more time resting in the forward line instead of on the bench - players like Dangermouse, Vince, Wright or Douglas, all of whom have form & history in the forward line.

Similarly, if we were to drop a small-defender, then the likes of VB and Mackay spend more time in defence.

It's not a 1-for-1 swap. It required a reallocation of resources across several players and positions, but it could and should be easy enough to achieve for any of the players I previously named.

We re-shuffle the deck chairs.

For example, Callinan, Pets, Martin & Stiffy are now all small forwards. By dropping 1 of them for Crouch, we would get some of our small mids to spend more time resting in the forward line instead of on the bench - players like Dangermouse, Vince, Wright or Douglas, all of whom have form & history in the forward line.

Similarly, if we were to drop a small-defender, then the likes of VB and Mackay spend more time in defence.

It's not a 1-for-1 swap. It required a reallocation of resources across several players and positions, but it could and should be easy enough to achieve for any of the players I previously named.

Yes I agree ....i think that's the answer. I dont think you cut those players, but you certainly redistribute their mid minutes and look at some alternative roles.

 

[Team DJ]

We re-shuffle the deck chairs.

For example, Callinan, Pets, Martin & Stiffy are now all small forwards. By dropping 1 of them for Crouch, we would get some of our small mids to spend more time resting in the forward line instead of on the bench - players like Dangermouse, Vince, Wright or Douglas, all of whom have form & history in the forward line.

Similarly, if we were to drop a small-defender, then the likes of VB and Mackay spend more time in defence.

It's not a 1-for-1 swap. It required a reallocation of resources across several players and positions, but it could and should be easy enough to achieve for any of the players I previously named.

Wow. Cant believe i agree with Vader,
Hell mustve frozen over

 

[Mike Smyth]

Completely and utterly wrong..

If our selection was like the Aussie Cricket team we would be 'resting' Danger/Thommo/Tex this week and giving games to other players on our roster...

I think many on here would love that policy so they could see the Riley get a game.

We played Ponting and Hussey for 2 years too long based on "merit". We should have been blooding youngsters getting them ready for the Ashes.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Fair enough.. but who are you suggesting that we bring in? Crouch is the only potential 1st tier young midfielder on our list, outside the current 22.

Secondly, why drop a 2nd tier midfielder when there are multiple 3rd and 4th tier players just crying out to be dropped? Just because they're your favourite scapegoats, doesn't mean that there's actually any logic in dropping them. These players are all safe as houses, because there are a large number of lesser players below them who should be (and will be) dropped long before the 2nd tier players (Martin, Jaensch, Petrenko, Callinan, Johncock, Otten).

Hard to argue with any of this, except the Johncock/Otten part. If the club does think its in a premiership window then Johncock should be in the starting 18 as a defender and not floundering in the waste land that is the role of the small forward.