Preview Changes: R19 vs Dees, Sunday July 23rd 2:50pm ACST @ MCG

[Brett Cummings]

You know that’s not going to happen

Yep, we're a mediocre football club.

 

[Mattrox]

Because all the experienced Coaches do the same ......experienced teams win games, inexperienced teams lose games

Chris Scott is the king of backing in the old guys .....Horse does the same ....so it's not a coaching flaw

I tend to agree. If we keep complaining about the coaches and literally every coach does the same thing.... maybe it's not the coaches.




Because gifting games to kids ends up looking like this.

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[MrBarry]

What the coaches are saying (without actually saying it) recently is that they don't think the list is that good, while the fans are the ones saying it might actually be pretty good, let's see more of it to see how deep it runs.

How arse backwards is that? Usually the coaches are the ones talking up the list and the depth, and the fans are the ones saying "Nah the list sucks!"

How can they even make that call when they havent even tested any of those players. I'm fine with ruling a line through say a 'Newchurch' once we actually have the evidence he cannot make it at AFL level. He's the type of player I am almost certain is going to get picked up by an ambitious club and likely play well at AFL level.

 

[MrBarry]

experienced teams win games, inexperienced teams lose games

How do you suppose inexperienced teams get experienced?

 

[Mattrox]

Looking at season 2023 from a list management side of things we have wasted so many opportunities;

as a club we got caught up in the hype of finals and put away any planning for the future to be better. we had so many chances to play Nankervis, Borlase, Cook, Hately, Newchurch, Schoenberg [consistently] to see if they were Up to it or should we delist/trade but no we stuck solid with McHenry, Sloane, Murphy, Scholl and Keays week after week.

opportunity missed.

I do not see how Parnell, Schoenberg and Cook in is wasting opportunities.


You cannot play all kids. Teams who have tried have failed badly. 1 also got found guilty of tanking and then they punished us for it. Imagine what our punishment would be if we got accused of tanking.

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[WaynesWorld19]

How do you suppose inexperienced teams get experienced?

I'll have to ask Clarko that .....NORTH are experts at being **** every year .....but hey, they are getting experience

 

[WeeBlake]

I do not see how Parnell, Schoenberg and Cook in is wasting opportunities.


You cannot play all kids. Teams who have tried have failed badly. 1 also got found guilty of tanking and then they punished us for it. Imagine what our punishment would be if we got accused of tanking.

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In case you haven’t noticed, it’s round 19

 

[Mutineer]

How can they even make that call when they havent even tested any of those players. I'm fine with ruling a line through say a 'Newchurch' once we actually have the evidence he cannot make it at AFL level. He's the type of player I am almost certain is going to get picked up by an ambitious club and likely play well at AFL level.

I think the more likely proposition is he'll be playing for the North Adelaide Roosters in the SANFL or perhaps even the West Augusta Hawks in the Spencer Gulf League...

 

[NTRabbit]

lol

 

[Brett Cummings]

I do not see how Parnell, Schoenberg and Cook in is wasting opportunities.


You cannot play all kids. Teams who have tried have failed badly. 1 also got found guilty of tanking and then they punished us for it. Imagine what our punishment would be if we got accused of tanking.

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Not playing murphy or keays isn't tanking though. Its wanting to be less shit.

 

[MrBarry]

I'll have to ask Clarko that .....NORTH are experts at being **** every year .....but hey, they are getting experience

I agree there is a necessity to develop a 'core group' who you use to build towards a flag.

But we should not yet be in that position, as there are way to many players in that core group that have huge question marks on them. We should have debuted at least another 2 players this year.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Looking at season 2023 from a list management side of things we have wasted so many opportunities;

as a club we got caught up in the hype of finals and put away any planning for the future to be better. we had so many chances to play Nankervis, Borlase, Cook, Hately, Newchurch, Schoenberg [consistently] to see if they were Up to it or should we delist/trade but no we stuck solid with McHenry, Sloane, Murphy, Scholl and Keays week after week.

opportunity missed.

Yep..

and we’ll delist borlase, hately and newchurch.. without giving two of them the opportunity to even see if they can step up to AFL level.. and we havent given the other a decent run at his preferred position..

yet we’ll keep the un-flushable turds that we already know can’t consistently deliver at AFL and should be delisted.

literally the dumbest club in the comp.

 

[Mattrox]

In case you haven’t noticed, it’s round 19

In case you hadn't noticed we were doing pretty good until round 17.


The kids were given games until they hit the wall. We can play revisionist history but that's really grasping at straws.

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[King Elvis]

I was hoping Nankervis was going to replace Max,
Not sure how Parnell got back into the team when he has been poor for most of the year
We really don't like debuting players

What's the point of wanking on about how strong our SANFL team has been, and lauding the players who have been performing the best...

And then not picking them?

Crouch, I rate, but clearly we don't see a future for him, so why bother?

Hately - I don't think we've ever actually given him an opportunity to shine at AFL level, would be fine with him getting a solid block of games.

Parnell and Cook, over the other youngsters who have been dominating; why?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I agree there is a necessity to develop a 'core group' who you use to build towards a flag.

But we should not yet be in that position, as there are way to many players in that core group that have huge question marks on them. We should have debuted at least another 2 players this year.

Don't disagree .....particularly early

Rachelle, Soligo .....2nd year on an AFL list
Pedlar ....1st real go at it
Thilthorpe ....2nd year
Berry, Cook ....3rd year

2-3 changes each year, can make an enormous difference to the team makeup

I think we have too many instant expectations of these kids .....they will be part of our core group .....and each year they'll improve 15-20%

They'll become more "core" players next year

 

[Bearded Clam]

How can they even make that call when they havent even tested any of those players. I'm fine with ruling a line through say a 'Newchurch' once we actually have the evidence he cannot make it at AFL level. He's the type of player I am almost certain is going to get picked up by an ambitious club and likely play well at AFL level.

The morons running the club clearly have no idea what talent looks like.. they are so arrogant and stubborn they can barely see past their own navels..

the same people there right now running the show are the same idiots that pushed Stengle out of the club using him as a sacrificial lamb in an attempt to project themselves as a club with high standards and values..

they clearly thought he wasn't that great a player anyway so it wont cost them in the longrun..

if Rankine got caught drink driving then got busted with a bit of coke a couple of times over the next year or so.. do you reacon they’d do the same with him as they did with stengle?

absolutely no fxxkn chance in the world..

they did what they did to Stengle cause they clearly believed he wasn't worth defending. An AA premiership player just over a year later!

tells you all you need to know about their ability to identify talent and potential even when its right under their noses.

 

[BunjiMac]

I hope the coaches have finally learnt their lesson with Sholl, the exact same thing has happened 3 years running.

And they've given him way too many opportunities thinking it will be different every single year.

He's not cut out for AFL football.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yep..

and we’ll delist borlase, hately and newchurch.. without giving two of them the opportunity to even see if they can step up to AFL level.. and we havent given the other a decent run at his preferred position..

yet we’ll keep the un-flushable turds that we already know can’t consistently deliver at AFL and should be delisted.

literally the dumbest club in the comp.

Had to laugh at that statement as for anyone thats seen the ricky gervais series extras, the steven marchant dinner date scene comes to mind...

 

[WeeBlake]

In case you hadn't noticed we were doing pretty good until round 17.


The kids were given games until they hit the wall. We can play revisionist history but that's really grasping at straws.

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some of the kids were

But not Nank, not Cook, not Worrell really until Doedees ACL, not Newchurch, not Gollant, not Borlase, not Schoenberg.

Meanwhile Sloane is playing like a third stringer and is undroppable.

No denying we have been conservative with selection this year so far.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

I do not see how Parnell, Schoenberg and Cook in is wasting opportunities.


You cannot play all kids. Teams who have tried have failed badly. 1 also got found guilty of tanking and then they punished us for it. Imagine what our punishment would be if we got accused of tanking.

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I am not talking just this week but over the last two months.
We have won two games in the last six beating WC and NM - we got caught up in the hype and dropped the development ball. We should have played fringe players in at least the two games we won against the bottom two sides and taken into account the bigger picture.

Are you seriously suggesting playing;
Hately for Murphy, Mchenry, Sloane
Cook for Scholl, McHenry, Murphy
Newchurch for McHenry, Murphy
Schoenberg for Murphy, McHenry, Scholl, Sloane
Nankervis for Scholl

makes us a weaker side??

and during this period we should have found a way to give Borlase a crack, Strachan a game or two.
Not sure why you have mentioned tanking we have finished 14th, 15th, 18th the last three seasons - I think most involved in AFL would know we are rebuilding/developing.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Because all the experienced Coaches do the same ......experienced teams win games, inexperienced teams lose games

Chris Scott is the king of backing in the old guys .....Horse does the same ....so it's not a coaching flaw

The minor difference there is their older guys are generally getting the job done.

Our record over the last few years is in no way comparable to Geelong and Sydney.

To suggest that we are doing the right thing with selections because it is what successful teams do is just horse poopy.

 

[Mattrox]

Don't disagree .....particularly early

Rachelle, Soligo .....2nd year on an AFL list
Pedlar ....1st real go at it
Thilthorpe ....2nd year
Berry, Cook ....3rd year

2-3 changes each year, can make an enormous difference to the team makeup

I think we have too many instant expectations of these kids .....they will be part of our core group .....and each year they'll improve 15-20%

They'll become more "core" players next year

I feel like a 3rd proper preseason for Rach and Soli will do wonders.for their tank. 30+ games in 2 seasons is pretty good.

MM playing as many games as he has in his debut year is awesome.

Peldar seems like if he stays fit, he'll build nicely into the midfield. Another preseason will do wonders.

People also forget Shoenberg's form hasn't always warranted more games.

I don't think Sloane's inclusion is much benefit. He looks quite a bit off the pace. It's sad when a club great tapers off and can't play the way he used to. But it seems we are at that point. I hope he can reflect on that come season's end.

I imagine that Hately's cards have been stamped and the club isn't putting games into him. There could be others in that category.

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[1990crow]

CEO blaming our form on young players. Club is cooked.

 

[Mattrox]

The morons running the club clearly have no idea what talent looks like.. they are so arrogant and stubborn they can barely see past their .....

Still ranting about Stengle? If the club didn't cut loose a serial offender, likely that he doesn't get a wake up call and turn himself around.

Also signals to the players that we will tolerate dickhead behaviour.

Clearly they know what talent looks like beecause they got Dawson and Rankine. Richelle and Soli have had 30 games in 2 years and MM has had 15 or 16 in his debut year.

Given that body of evidence, maybe they do know talent and has been a factor in others' non selection.



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[WaynesWorld19]

I feel like a 3rd proper preseason for Rach and Soli will do wonders.for their tank. 30+ games in 2 seasons is pretty good.

MM playing as many games as he has in his debut year is awesome.

Peldar seems like if he stays fit, he'll build nicely into the midfield. Another preseason will do wonders.

People also forget Shoenberg's form hasn't always warranted more games.

I don't think Sloane's inclusion is much benefit. He looks quite a bit off the pace. It's sad when a club great tapers off and can't play the way he used to. But it seems we are at that point. I hope he can reflect on that come season's end.

I imagine that Hately's cards have been stamped and the club isn't putting games into him. There could be others in that category.

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The question on Sloane is .....is he a MID or nothing ? .....the mistake is to continue to play Sloane as a Mid

Do I think he has warranted a place in the side .....I would have thought Berry would be preferred, IF he played as he did in 2022 .....but he didn't, nor has Schoenberg stepped up

So it seems, Sloane is a placeholder for Pedlar / Rachelle ......it's hard to see him commanding a best 22 position next year ....which will be compounded by the influx of draftee's and any trades