Preview Changes: R3 vs Port Adelaide

[Scorpus]

IN:
Murphy, Laird, Frampton

OUT:
Sloane (adductor), Pedlar, Murray, Soligo (medi-sub)

 

[jackster83]

And what role is Murphy going to play?

Long bomb target probably.

 

[BACCS]

In Laird
Out Sloane

Frampton and Murphy 24th and 25th

Seems like maybe Murphy is the sub, but a bit weird to only list Sloane as an out.

 

[Vader]

So the three questions that come out of your comment above are:

(1) Do you believe he has a chance to deliver on his potential in his 43 games (52 goals) as a 22 year old big man coming into his 5th season?
(2) How long have other players of his type taken to start delivering?
(3) Who is he standing in the way of?

I know you are hard headed on Fog, and that you see everything he does as being useless ... but actually he was good in Game 1, and not good in Game 2. Patience is tough for supporters, but what exactly do we have to lose here?

1 - He has had abundant opportunities. He has not shown one iota of improvement between the day he was drafted and his game against Collingwood last weekend.
2 - Tex showed more in his 1st AFL season (2nd if you include the year he spent in the SANFL) than Fog has in his entire career. Few KPFs come into the AFL system with a fully developed physique, the way that Fogarty did. Most are beanpoles, like Thilthorpe, who need time to grow into their bodies before they can start to make a real impact. Fogarty didn't have this handicap - he was a man mountain the day he was drafted, and nothing has changed in that regard. It's not unreasonable therefore that he should have started to deliver earlier than those beanpoles who needed to mature physically.
3 - Currently Thilthorpe. I have previously posted multiple times about our lack of decent KPF talent - we have one player on the verge of retirement, 3x donkeys, and a 19yo kid who is still growing into his body. Top-flight midfielders and KPFs are our two dire needs at present.

He wasn't good in Game 1. He showed glimpses in the 1st Q of Game 1, but was completely useless thereafter. His Game 2 was arguably worse than Berg's, though we're talking the difference between ratings of 0.5 and a 0.45 out of 10 for the game. Both were abysmal.

Fogarty makes me angry. More accurately, he frustrates me. He has so much potential, yet when it comes to the actual game, he's so ****ing useless most of the time. Not only that, but he hasn't shown one iota of improvement across his 43 AFL games. Berg has limited talent, and he's playing to those limitations. Fog has far greater talent. Little is expected of those with limited talent. Much more is expected of those with greater talent - and Fogarty continues to fail in meeting those expectations.

 

[BACCS]

Sub for Soligo ??

I'd be slightly surprised and very disappointed if there was one change only.

We made 4 last week with only 1 injury

What other changes would you make? I would replace Berg with RT, but doesn't seem like that is happening. Not sure there are many other obvious changes to make; I would think Tex for Fog next week if Fog doesn't lift for the Showdown.

 

[AFC979810]

Lol, the thing is Burgess is talked up around here like the next Messiah, but without players that can actually football, he won’t be making a lot of impact sadly.

You didn't hear? Burgo can turn Himmelburg into Buddy with one tweak to his weightlifting technique.

 

[hey shorty]

What other changes would you make? I would replace Berg with RT, but doesn't seem like that is happening. Not sure there are many other obvious changes to make; I would think Tex for Fog next week if Fog doesn't lift for the Showdown.

You get beaten by 10 goals, there should be AT LEAST one unforced change

 

[MrBarry]

1 - He has had abundant opportunities. He has not shown one iota of improvement between the day he was drafted and his game against Collingwood last weekend.
2 - Tex showed more in his 1st AFL season (2nd if you include the year he spent in the SANFL) than Fog has in his entire career. Few KPFs come into the AFL system with a fully developed physique, the way that Fogarty did. Most are beanpoles, like Thilthorpe, who need time to grow into their bodies before they can start to make a real impact. Fogarty didn't have this handicap - he was a man mountain the day he was drafted, and nothing has changed in that regard. It's not unreasonable therefore that he should have started to deliver earlier than those beanpoles who needed to mature physically.
3 - Currently Thilthorpe. I have previously posted multiple times about our lack of decent KPF talent - we have one player on the verge of retirement, 3x donkeys, and a 19yo kid who is still growing into his body. Top-flight midfielders and KPFs are our two dire needs at present.

He wasn't good in Game 1. He showed glimpses in the 1st Q of Game 1, but was completely useless thereafter. His Game 2 was arguably worse than Berg's, though we're talking the difference between ratings of 0.5 and a 0.45 out of 10 for the game. Both were abysmal.

Fogarty makes me angry. More accurately, he frustrates me. He has so much potential, yet when it comes to the actual game, he's so ****ing useless most of the time. Not only that, but he hasn't shown one iota of improvement across his 43 AFL games. Berg has limited talent, and he's playing to those limitations. Fog has far greater talent. Little is expected of those with limited talent. Much more is expected of those with greater talent - and Fogarty continues to fail in meeting those expectations.

Walker is the best key forward that has played for the club and developed by us. Not sure it's a fair comparison at this stage.

I agree Fogarty needs to improve, but the club ****ed his development with wasted year in 2019 and then we had a COVID riddled 2020/2021, which wasn't ideal for development.

Look I think you need to chill and see how his year plays out and not potting him constantly. We are rebuilding and as you pointed out he has talent, why not just let it simmer and see what happens?

 

[Truck25]

Just one from left field a bit, have they looked at Borlase as a key forward. Every time I see him can't help but think there is a really good footballer there and we are just not connecting the dots.

 

[BrissyCrow]

For port.....

I wish

 

[Bernie L]

Nothing confirmed as yet by the club.

But the melts are here already.

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[AFC979810]

Nothing confirmed as yet by the club.

But the melts are here already.

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I hope Frampton comes in. Just for the laughs.

 

[MrBarry]

I hope Frampton comes in. Just for the laughs.

The ultimate clown show would be Frampton into the backline, Berg and Murray forward with Fogarty out.

That's likely the worst trio of KPP we have ever fielded.

 

[crows dude]

Seems like maybe Murphy is the sub, but a bit weird to only list Sloane as an out.

Murphy for Soligo I guess makes sense. Frampton for Berg

 

[MRB37]

I'm just holding out on hope that Theo Dorop would normally be all over Showdown team news, and he hasn't said anything yet.

But the suggestion by this channel 10 reporter is disgusting.

Jase would be saying this cause Nicks said it at the presser.

 

[Jamezy88]

Nothing confirmed as yet by the club.

But the melts are here already.

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Murphy in for Rachele would improve the melts!

 

[davos44]

I hope Frampton comes in. Just for the laughs.

Ugh, I almost forgot he was part of our team.
I think he went all right last year in the backline, he might be a good match for Georgiades or Marshall.
Then again an upside broom might also work.

 

[ftmch]

how bad of a state this club is in if we are celebrating our captain not playing lol, but im happy

So true. Also a telling insight into the consistently flawed criteria we use to appoint a Captain in the first place.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Dropping Fogarty at this early stage of the year would be a totally idiotic move that I don't even think the club is dumb enough to make.

We are 2 games in. Berg needs to go forever though.

Other than Laird for Sloane ( enforced ) - I have a v bad feeling about selection

 

[George Kramer]

Other than Laird for Sloane ( enforced ) - I have a v bad feeling about selection

Murphy in for Soligo
Pedlar Sub
Fogarty out for Frampton
Frampton down back Murray up forward
Laird for Sloane

$200 from each poster if I’m right

 

[BACCS]

You get beaten by 10 goals, there should be AT LEAST one unforced change

We lost by 7 goals, Port lost by 10 goals. I'm just asking, what other change would you make? The unforced change for me would be RT for Berg. As I said above, I think Tex replaces Fog next week if he doesn't pull his finger out in the Showdown. Milera still needs a bit more SANFL time, but hopefully he isn't far away. I think by round 5 this is our side:

FB: Brown, Butts, Doedee
HB: Smith, Murray, Jones
C: Dawson, Laird, Milera
HF: McHenry, Tex, Sloane
FF: Rachele, RT, Rowe
R: ROB, Keays, Schoey
I: Cook/Pedlar/Sholl (2 off), Hinge, McAdam/Gollant/Fog (1 off)

I want to see Laird, Keays and Schoey with the most CB attendances and Milera, Dawson, Pedlar, Sholl, Cook next in line. I expect Sloaney to still see CB minutes, but I think we need to move away from him being in the top 5 of attendances.

 

[BACCS]

I hope Frampton comes in. Just for the laughs.

Even I will melt if that happens haha

 

[ams4crows]

If it's Frampton for Himmelberg I'm cool with it, that is not melt worthy.

Murphy for Pedlar however is full on rage town.

Murphy for McHenry I could also handle, but I'd prefer Berry in this situation

 

[Gtowncrow]

I hate feeling this way about Sloane.

He really has been a good player for us, always gives his all (and more). The definition of a football warrior.


Unfortunately it is this trait, coupled with our coach's unwillingness to see the bigger picture, that is diminishing his legacy.

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This!

 

[GROTTO]

Same. Podcasts, radio or cd.

Doing 1-2 trips a week to the mines gives plenty of thinking and listening time

Imagine if there was a way where you can get a posters posts on Bigfooty read out loud while youre driving.

I probably would swerve off the road into a tree with some comments posted.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Murphy in for Soligo
Pedlar Sub
Fogarty out for Frampton
Frampton down back Murray up forward
Laird for Sloane

$200 from each poster if I’m right

Possible unfort

Pedlar needs minutes at any level , get fit then get him in mid