Changes V Hawthorn

[The Smaller Warrior]

I dont know what you guys are smoking but broadbent is a definit out, he was shithouse under pressure. Back to the SANFL son

This is exactly, the attitude we cant have.

Broady was alright yesterday, and was pretty good the week before.

What do you suggest?

In: Carr
Out: Broadbent

Is that you Mark?

 

[MrMeaner]

Out: Williams, McGuinness, Rhode, Kingsley, Cripps, Primus.

In: Dunno. Maybe the Wiggles. At least then we might have a dinosaur up front.

 

[Total Power]

How long do we need to carry that hack Ebert. Cant mark, cant kick, cant chase... what the **** can he do????? And westhoff, **** off.You get pushed out of contests and you cant take a mark .If he is a part of our next premiership side, then all i can say is goodluck.And then Salter was ommited while playing a decent game for Shaun who is coming off a 13 week break.Get ****ed Choco , i have had enough of your shit.I bet we will be looking for another small marking forward come next draft


Out: Ebert, Westhoff,Pearce,Chappy (inj), Lower,Krakouer
In: Salter, Brogan, Hartlett, Thomas, Trengrove, Carr

P.S Finally as Macca said, congrats choco for turning Sala into a seagull... well done.

 

[tribey]

P.S Finally as Macca said, congrats choco for turning Sala into a seagull... well done.

Go back and look at the early rounds of 2004 in The Epic Journey.

A skinny Salopek, barely 19, is in the midfield showing hard-running awareness and poise not unlike Josh Francou (in the Hawthorn game especially - the one where Primus does his knee - there's a piece of play where Salopek gets 3 or 4 touches in the one passage of play over 100m or so).

Fast-forward five years and he's been converted into a receiving HBFer.

Marvellous.

 

[Port01]

I dont know what you guys are smoking but broadbent is a definit out, he was shithouse under pressure. Back to the SANFL son

Broadbent still has the opportunity to develop composure under pressure with confidence and experience (or could if he played for another team, our players don't seem to develop at all).

 

[RangaInTeal]

Out: Williams, McGuinness, Rhode, Kingsley, Cripps, Primus.

In: Dunno. Maybe the Wiggles. At least then we might have a dinosaur up front.

Out: McGuinness, Rhode, Kingsley, Primus
In: Blight, Hardwick, Scott, Pittman, Pagan

 

[Knight Ryders]

Go back and look at the early rounds of 2004 in The Epic Journey.

A skinny Salopek, barely 19, is in the midfield showing hard-running awareness and poise not unlike Josh Francou (in the Hawthorn game especially - the one where Primus does his knee - there's a piece of play where Salopek gets 3 or 4 touches in the one passage of play over 100m or so).

Fast-forward five years and he's been converted into a receiving HBFer.

Marvellous.

Sorry to intrude, but I reckon he is playing there atm because of his shoulder/shoulder problems. May be his shoulders can't handle the inside midfielder role?

 

[FishingRick04]

Personally I think any critisms on Ebert shows a lack of understanding tbh.

He is playing deep forward with very, very ordinary delivery. I thought his defensive pressure and tackles the last few weeks has been above average and he's been laying a few.

Other than Stewart who got belted yesterday, our our forwards and defence need some compassion it's our midfield.

I have said it so many times, Chad doesn't do enough, he's probably a third tall at best, he's non longer a midfielder.

The same critisisms of Pearce could really go to Rodan, they drop off in games. Our midifeld is screwed and i think alot of it is due to our coaches, hence yesterday's post this group could be killers IMO with a new coaching panel.

It's like too many players are being played out of position but we are winning to many games to be really tanking lol

 

[Waspy79]

Sorry to intrude, but I reckon he is playing there atm because of his shoulder/shoulder problems. May be his shoulders can't handle the inside midfielder role?

He lined up in round 1, 2 and 3 in the half back line... so it has nothing to do with his shoulder. People are right, Choco turns our players into seagulls, he is a cancer killing our club.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Salopek is the most disappointing player on our list if you ask me. Talk about unfulfilled potential. Trade bait for mine.

And did anyone see Selwood's game? Unbelievable. Not drafting him was the biggest draft blunder yet by the PAFC...

 

[FishingRick04]

Salopek is the most disappointing player on our list if you ask me. Talk about unfulfilled potential. Trade bait for mine.

And did anyone see Selwood's game? Unbelievable. Not drafting him was the biggest draft blunder yet by the PAFC...

If we did draft him, would he be the player he is now? I argue no. Choco is killing our players mentally.

 

[Portology]

A really tough one. Matchups, possible injury, team balance and (restraining the urge to blindly lash out at someone, anyone, everyone) holding the line on 'development'...

DEFINITE OUTS: Ebert, Lade
DEFINITE INS: Salter, Brogan

Interchange from: Hartlett, Thomas, Chaplin, Stewart, Krakouer

Ebert OUT for Salter. If we continue to bomb it in, Salter is more likely to mark it. Also a function of Ebert's curse (lack of height) and poor delivery. Fixing the delivery is long term work WIP; minimizing the damage it causes means Ebert must go for now.

Lade OUT for Brogan. Continue part-time-2nd-ruck trial. Must plan for non-dominant ruck next year anyway. Salter a better long term KPF prospect than The Hoff. Why spend a pick on a ruck when Hoff/Thurstans may fill the 'gap year' to Lobbe/Redden AND we need a development KPF more than yet another raw ruck prospect or mature age list filling plodder (Seaby, Mieklejohn, Blake) ? Need to know if Thurstans and/or Hoff can learn a new trick. Trial for the rest of the year.

Stewart OUT for Thomas (if fit).

Krakouer OUT for Hartlett (if fit).

Here's where it gets a bit complicated...

If Chaplin is OUT (ie injured) Stewart stays in. With Thurstans rotating through the ruck need Stewie and Chad to be able to go forward and back.

IF Thomas, Chaplin AND Hartlett don't come up, THEN the Krak hangs in there.

IMO we need to persevere with Krak AND Lower. Logan is there if either become FAIL in a erm, 'relatively stable' team. Logan is a great utility fallback for those two as HBF, but he isn't a replacement for 'the outsider', the enigma that is 50% of Pearce. I know who's first up against the wall when SB returns to the midfield.

KEEP S Burgoyne in the forward lines as a "Motlop-lite" pending Motlop's return from injury (and SB's return to midfield-level match fitness).

 

[bringbackbucky]

If we did draft him, would he be the player he is now? I argue no. Choco is killing our players mentally.

Have you watched Selwood play? Not even Choco could take the toughness (mental and physical) out of the kid.

No doubt Boak and Hartlett are going to be fine footballers but Port's midfield could have included both Selwood and Rich in it yesterday.... Food for thought.

 

[Riggy1]

Out: Westhoff

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OUT:, Westhoff,

OUT: Westhoff

Out Westoff,

I feel a disturbance in the force

 

[Forzaport]

Looks like we won't be losing anyone to injury from the crows game, just a few knocks:

Sore Port will bounce back
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DESPITE the fact it was a bruising encounter and several players hobbled off the field, Port Adelaide has seemingly escaped without serious injury after its clash with Adelaide in Showdown XXVII. More

Apparently chad got a knock to his knee which is why he was put on ice. Bit worrying about his finger though. So motlop will be the only first choice player missing.

In: Brogan, Salter
Out: Stewart, Lower

Hard to drop any of mids as i'm not confident carr, logan, thomas, senior burger would add anything to the 22 tbh.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Other than Stewart who got belted yesterday, our our forwards and defence need some compassion it's our midfield.

As I posted last week, I pity the fool who plays in our forward line. It's a shifting shapeless mass, no defined structure, with smalls playing as talls and vice versa.

However, having said that ... Bock 27 disposals at 89% (19d to half time), 1 goal and Showdown medal, Doughty 27d at 85% (20d to half time) 2 goals runner up in Showdown medal, McLeod 30d at 73% (bog according to Mr Capel), Johncock 28d at 89%, =3rd in Showdown Medal.

Where the **** was our half forward line? Who was on Doughty, Bock and McLeod? Sure there's a case to be made for bad delivery, bizarre structures and set ups stopping our scoring, but what's the excuse for the sort of non-existent defensive pressure that allows players those sort of numbers? And they weren't dinky little 1-2s building up the stats, they were incisive thrusts that filleted us like fish.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Looks like we won't be losing anyone to injury from the crows game, just a few knocks:



Apparently chad got a knock to his knee which is why he was put on ice. Bit worrying about his finger though. So motlop will be the only first choice player missing.

In: Brogan, Salter
Out: Stewart, Lower

Hard to drop any of mids as i'm not confident carr, logan, thomas, senior burger would add anything to the 22 tbh.

That would leave us woefully tall.

That is why I would drop Toby. He has played well and doesnt deserve it but IMO Chappy and Bob are better KPD and Chad is best served in defence. Brogan and Lade are better in ruck and Salter, Tredrea and Westhoff are better options up forward.

Sometimes clubs have to make tough calls and I am sorry but it is time to go Toby.

 

[Forzaport]

That would leave us woefully tall.

That is why I would drop Toby. He has played well and doesnt deserve it but IMO Chappy and Bob are better KPD and Chad is best served in defence. Brogan and Lade are better in ruck and Salter, Tredrea and Westhoff are better options up forward.

Sometimes clubs have to make tough calls and I am sorry but it is time to go Toby.

I've gone with 3 KP forwards, 3 KP defenders, 2 rucks = 8 talls.

Chad plays as a mid so i don't count him as a tall.

Surjan is the only true small defender, leaving krak and a mid (Sal, broadbent, chad, shaun) to rotate through

 

[Schulzenfest]

Sometimes clubs have to make tough calls and I am sorry but it is time to go Toby.

Agree. He's shown a lot of improvement this year but he's not a required player. His failure in the ruck against terrible opposition in the Showdown makes me thing I'd rather have Meiklejohn than Thurstans as our second ruck, and we have enough backline options. No need to be carrying a half-decent 29 year old on our list.

Changes:
Out: Ebert, Toby (if Chaplin or Chad doesn't come up he's back in), Stewart (I rate him higher than Lower, no pun intended, but he had a shocker on the weekend and Lower's annoyance is more important against the 'unsociable', a.k.a. angry and easy to wind up, Hawks)
Ins: SALTER! (even if he hadn't kicked 7 on the weekend we should be trying to stretch Hawthorn's short defence), Brogan, Carr (it should take him about 3 seconds to get Lewis suspended and us a 50 )

Pearce wasn't that bad on the weekend guys. He didn't have a lot of the ball but he did get a goal (should've had two if Hoff had given off an obvious handball to him), had at least one goal assist that I can remember, tried to put on pressure and won a few contested balls, including the one against two Crows on the wing where he pushed Rutten over

 

[Schulzenfest]

Doughty 27d at 85% (20d to half time) 2 goals runner up in Showdown medal,

Off topic, but Doughty is one of the worst stagers in the AFL.

 

[brogan2motlop]

Honestly i don't give a **** who comes in or out anymore,

it seems to make no difference and has made no difference all year...

and least in the previous few years there has been shining lights when after round 14 it was obvious our season is shot...

but now there is no light, nothing to turn to nothing that will make the slightest of difference, yes I am losing hope and faith in this current list, maybe a new game plan thats really all i can think of thats going to make any difference to our side.

our youngsters were supposed to take the step and come through the ranks...if anything they have taken a step back.

Salopek Kraks Pearce and Boak......have stayed the same level and in sal's/pearce's case gone backwards. Though to sal's defense he is being played way out of position.

 

[Forzaport]

Looks like there won't be wholesale changes, which i agree with. After all, can't drop half the team. The best players are mostly in now, just need them to settle back in and start having an impact.

Port Players Dodge The Axe
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Port Adelaide's players are in a comfort zone - being spared the overdue axe at selection and the public scrutiny of their repetitive failures. More

Rucci goes on to describe the players as mentally weak with choco trying to protect them by showing endless faith - quite a destructive cycle.

 

[PowerKat]

Looks like there won't be wholesale changes, which i agree with. After all, can't drop half the team. The best players are mostly in now, just need them to settle back in and start having an impact.



Rucci goes on to describe the players as mentally weak with choco trying to protect them by showing endless faith - quite a destructive cycle.

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This is despite the form tracker - with endless statistics from Champion Data - revealing many Port players have not only stagnated but fallen behind in their development; and others who are repeatedly failing, thereby creating the team's erratic form.

the same link

Interesting that also in this article Rooch has mentioned development when there's been a fair bit of discussion about this exact subject (without the 'benefit' of Champion Data stats) on this board in recent days.

 

[Steve Dore]

.... Interesting that also in this article Rooch has mentioned development when there's been a fair bit of discussion about this exact subject (without the 'benefit' of Champion Data stats) on this board in recent days.

It is so obvious that most of us can see it without needing Champion Data stats.

So many of our "developing" players have gone backwards this season despite Alberton supposedly being a great learning environment and Choco an excellent teacher.

 

[PAFC04]

OUT:
Lower (not enough input)

S. Burger (as I have said before before the game against Adelaide, back to the SANFL to regain some fittness so that he can provide our 80% more brilliance than just spits and spirts)

Chappy (if injured)

Salopak (See S.burger...)

IN:

Salter (Deserves more than S. Burger does)

Brogan (lade can't do it all on his own)

Hartlett (if fit to replace Salopek)

Changes to positions.

Ebert back in the middle.

Chad back at CHB

Krouker to take over Eberts position