List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

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Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Westcoast88]

Reported several times and discussed more than once that Sheezel comes from a very religious family and a close knit Melbourne Jewish community.

Add Vic Metro plus private schooling and the straws are starting to be adding up.

As opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking there is no such issues at all with him or any other player relocating and being happy interstate long term.

It is why the clubs interview families of players.

I've acknowledged his Vic metro already. But does that mean we avoid all metro players ? That sure includes s lot of players ? Reported where exactly ? Don't you get it ? It was all made up on here ? He is no more a risk than any other metro player. Eagles have excellent retention of Vic players. Who would you pick number 2 if not Sheezel then

 

[TerryFilk]

Who would you pick at 2 then ?

Wardlaw or Cadman over Sheezel, I’d even prefer Tsatas over Sheezel and probably Phillipou too although you could probably get Phillipou by sliding back a few spots.

 

[KBLT]

Reported several times and discussed more than once that Sheezel comes from a very religious family and a close knit Melbourne Jewish community.

Add Vic Metro plus private schooling and the straws are starting to be adding up.

As opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking there is no such issues at all with him or any other player relocating and being happy interstate long term.

It is why the clubs interview families of players.

FWIW, I grew up in a very religious family and community. I couldn't wait to get out the second I turned 18. Not everyone who grows up in those kinds of communities wants to say in them. Unless he's stated his views on that publically, or to the clubs in private, there's no point in making any assumptions either way

 

[Obeanie1]

I've acknowledged his Vic metro already. But does that mean we avoid all metro players ? That sure includes s lot of players ? Reported where exactly ? Don't you get it ? It was all made up on here ? He is no more a risk than any other metro player. Eagles have excellent retention of Vic players.

And what was the first part of my response? The bit you keep ignoring and not acknowledging.

And people saying 'ít was made up on here' aren't thinking. Just because something was discussed on here doesn't make it incorrect or not likely.

Melbourne private schools are about networking to promote future career prospects with those you met at school. The Jewish community are close, they stick together and work together. He's already stated his dream is to play for Hawthorn.

If you want to shrug and say 'none of that matters' fine. I don't agree. I see a number of things that are a cause for our recruiters to stop and consider flight risk is an issue.

Other Vic players don't have all these factors and therefore would be a less risky pick. So sure, we will draft Vic players, Metro and Country. After assessing their flight risk.

 

[bh90210fan]

Whoever gets Elijah Hewett is going to get a bargain by the looks of things. Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

2.0 if he develops some consistency, I’d be trying to get in that pick 10 range somehow to grab him.

 

[Westcoast88]

FWIW, I grew up in a very religious family and community. I couldn't wait to get out the second I turned 18. Not everyone who grows up in those kinds of communities wants to say in them. Unless he's stated his views on that publically, or to the clubs in private, there's no point in making any assumptions either way

Agreed, the whole rumour started because someone linked the Jewish faith to being anti travel and the rumour tool off. It's all presumptuous speculation at the best. The club will do it's due diligence on him in sure.

Wardlaw or Cadman over Sheezel, I’d even prefer Tsatas over Sheezel and probably Phillipou too although you could probably get Phillipou by sliding back a few spots.

I like Wardlaw but then he carries risk too in hammies. Cadman I like too but then there's the kicking. Tsatas I'm not sold on. Phillipou is rated higher on this forum than outside it, I'd only have him between 7 onwards and even then I'd lean towards busslinger the local.

 

[Obeanie1]

FWIW, I grew up in a very religious family and community. I couldn't wait to get out the second I turned 18. Not everyone who grows up in those kinds of communities wants to say in them. Unless he's stated his views on that publically, or to the clubs in private, there's no point in making any assumptions either way

And that is why I keep posting this is why clubs interviews the family and the player.

It is called risk assessment and risk management.

The only assumption I am making is identifying the risks of one player v others. The club obviously has much more access and information to make its final decision. Information we will never know.

Without having the information all we have is comparing one players risk profile versus another players risk profile. And wait for more information.

 

[Schtinker]

Reported several times and discussed more than once that Sheezel comes from a very religious family and a close knit Melbourne Jewish community.

Add Vic Metro plus private schooling and the straws are starting to be adding up.

As opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking there is no such issues at all with him or any other player relocating and being happy interstate long term.

It is why the clubs interview families of players.

If he's the best available then why not pick him and then trade him back for 2 1st round picks in 1 or 2 years time?

 

[shooshka]

If he's the best available then why not pick him and then trade him back for 2 1st round picks in 1 or 2 years time?

We don't have a lot (or any) draftees requesting trades around their 1st contract expiry time.

Do we interview them really well to ensure we avoid that risk, or is our environment that good that they want to stay?

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[Obeanie1]

We don't have a lot (or any) draftees requesting trades around their 1st contract expiry time.

Do we interview them really well to ensure we avoid that risk, or is our environment that good that they want to stay?

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Likely a bit of both.

 

[Farang83150]

Listing to trade radio, WTFs Rendell on about Nth could trade their 1st and somehow GWS will end up with 2 & 3?

 

[Obeanie1]

If he's the best available then why not pick him and then trade him back for 2 1st round picks in 1 or 2 years time?

I also have doubts on being best available for what we need.

Been on the split pick 2 wagon for some time.

Would much rather split and get two of Phillapou, Busslinger, Clark, MacKenzie, Humphrey or Hewitt with two 1sts.

That also de-risks our use of pick 2.

 

[Farang83150]

Also no mention of Cheezels when discussing top pick after Ashcroft, all talk was wardlaw and Tsatas (spelling)

 

[Obeanie1]

Listing to trade radio, WTFs Rendell on about Nth could trade their 1st and somehow GWS will end up with 2 & 3?

A three way with us?.

Or seperate deals?

Weird.

Only way GWS get 2 and keep 3 is if they trade us their future 1st plus a couple of later 1sts early 2nds this year.

And we basically load up for 2023 with our 1st and theirs. Which likely will be two top 4 picks, even 1 and 2.

Now if we somehow have traded in pick 7 from the Suns, that would make sense.

 

[Westcoast88]

And what was the first part of my response? The bit you keep ignoring and not acknowledging.

And people saying 'ít was made up on here' aren't thinking. Just because something was discussed on here doesn't make it incorrect or not likely.

Melbourne private schools are about networking to promote future career prospects with those you met at school. The Jewish community are close, they stick together and work together. He's already stated his dream is to play for Hawthorn.

If you want to shrug and say 'none of that matters' fine. I don't agree. I see a number of things that are a cause for our recruiters to stop and consider flight risk is an issue.

Other Vic players don't have all these factors and therefore would be a less risky pick. So sure, we will draft Vic players, Metro and Country. After assessing their flight risk.

With the Sheezel interviews I've heard he seemed comfortable at the prospect of moving interstate. I'd suggest that Sheezel saying his dream to play for Hawthorn (if he did say that, no player nominates a club before they are drafted except fs or academy) is being taken out of context and he would be mature enough to realise that no player gets to choose the club they support as kids. I think the vic metro stuff matters but the rest of what you say I see as presumptuous speculation based on no hard evidence. And yes I do believe the Sheezel homesickness thing was made up by an attention seeking poster that when he was questioned by his connections to his sources he began to back peddle and became evasive.

 

[Farang83150]

A three way with us?.

Or seperate deals?

Weird.

Only way GWS get 2 and keep 3 is if they trade us their future 1st plus a couple of later 1sts early 2nds this year.

And we basically load up for 2023 with our 1st and theirs. Which likely will be two top 4 picks, even 1 and 2.

Now if we somehow have traded in pick 7 from the Suns, that would make sense.

Was no mention of WC at all.

 

[Obeanie1]

With the Sheezel interviews I've heard he seemed comfortable at the prospect of moving interstate. I'd suggest that Sheezel saying his dream to play for Hawthorn is being taken out of context and he would be mature enough to realise that no player gets to choose the club they support as kids. I think the vic metro stuff matters but the rest of what you say I see has presumptuous speculation based on no hard evidence.

I am not presuming anything.

Risk analysis is about foreseeing an issue. Understanding it and ranking it. Then minimising or eliminating the risk.

You dont need irrefutable evidence to do that.

And we arent making the calls. The club is, with much more information at hand.

 

[Obeanie1]

Was no mention of WC at all.

Id suggest they trade for pick 1. GWS bid on Ashcroft with 1, then they use pick 1 as live 2 and 4 with 4 previously 3 before Ashcroft bids.

Just muddled up the wording.

 

[dinnaz]

I wouldn't want go home to be a factor as you lose value. Besides the chance of busting (SPS style)-
If they go back home after 2 years we get a late first round maybe, after 4 should get something a bit less than what we paid.

 

[TerryFilk]

Ignore everything Matt Rendell says lol

 

[Westcoast88]

I am not presuming anything.

Risk analysis is about foreseeing an issue. Understanding it and ranking it. Then minimising or eliminating the risk.

You dont need irrefutable evidence to do that.

And we arent making the calls. The club is, with much more information at hand.

But you have been presumptuous by assuming just because his Jewish he will be more likely to be homesick. Others have come out and said that is making assumptions not just me.

 

[Farang83150]

I wouldn't want go home to be a factor as you lose value. Besides the chance of busting (SPS style)-
If they go back home after 2 years we get a late first round maybe, after 4 should get something a bit less than what we paid.

A late 1st rnd for a pick 2?

 

[briztoon]

If he's the best available then why not pick him and then trade him back for 2 1st round picks in 1 or 2 years time?

Because no one will pay that for him.

Case in point: Izak Rankine.

 

[briztoon]

And what was the first part of my response? The bit you keep ignoring and not acknowledging.

And people saying 'ít was made up on here' aren't thinking. Just because something was discussed on here doesn't make it incorrect or not likely.

Melbourne private schools are about networking to promote future career prospects with those you met at school. The Jewish community are close, they stick together and work together. He's already stated his dream is to play for Hawthorn.

If you want to shrug and say 'none of that matters' fine. I don't agree. I see a number of things that are a cause for our recruiters to stop and consider flight risk is an issue.

Other Vic players don't have all these factors and therefore would be a less risky pick. So sure, we will draft Vic players, Metro and Country. After assessing their flight risk.

Just to be clear, he goes to Mt Scopus. Not a noted breeder of future Australian leaders.

 

[dinnaz]

A late 1st rnd for a pick 2?

Pretty much. A few I can think of:

Schache #2 traded for #25 & #40
O'rourke #2 traded for #19

Jaidyn Stephenson #6 traded for #26
Setterfield #5 traded for #27 & #43

About the only trade where its come out pretty even is
Cerra #5 traded for #6

If we have a player whose homesick and doesn't put their best foot forward then we will almost certainly lose out.