List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Keys]

I would seriosly lol if that happened. It would be almost funny (crying on the inside) to not have a top 10 pick this year after the year we had. Continue our trend of not having any top 10 picks for over a decade (yeah i know its an even draft).

Seriously though I hope we don't pass on Mackenzie or Poo at 8 to try and be tricky with sliding up a couple of picks in the twenties.

There would be a certain irony if we again ended up without a top 10 pick after the year we had and I don’t think we should be even contemplating that type of trade until draft night

It would then depend entirely on who’s left at our pick and where we rank those players. The club may or may not rate MacKenzie or Phillipou as highly as Busslinger as it’s not information we’re privy to

But if it comes to a point where we believe we can get the same player at 11 as we were planning to take at 8, then you do the trade. Even if posters here would’ve preferred someone else

 

[MrWoollie]

That HS mock draft was absolutely laughable. "Fills an area of need for West Coast". Ridiculous assertion.
I took a keen interest in McKenzie this year after it emerged he was not going to be available for STK as an NGA player. He has a lot of the attributes we need as a midfielder, so look forward to him being retooled as a half back flanker!

I think near-term Phillipou is the best pick - can develop as a half forward with stints in the midfield and I've got a natural preference for left-footers.

Either of those with our first pick would be great. Not sold on whether Busslinger is a natural fit, and I don't like us reaching for Hewett with our second pick.

Smoky is how far Brayden George slides but I doubt he'll be there with our fourth pick. If we pick McKenzie first then George might be in play with our third pick. Who knows.

For what it's worth, I think it'll be:

9 Phillipou
13 Allan (after a bid on Fletcher)
22 Hewett
28 Barnett

Can't wait to see how horrifically wrong I am

Happy with the Poo at 8/9.
Allan a big reach at 12/13 and if someone wants him before our 4th pick, they can have him.
Cant see Hewett getting to 22. Surely GWS would take him with their love of mids and multiple picks between 13 and 22.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Bulldogs

They don’t have 30, they do have 21 and 39

Would 8 and 26 for 11 and 21 work?

Assuming Cadman, Wardlaw, Sheezel, Tsatas, Ginbey, Humphrey, Clark are gone by our pick

It leaves Mackenzie, Hollands, Busslinger, Phillipou, Hewett and Jefferson. Best case would be bulldogs taking Mackenzie so that Saints go Jefferson then we have a choice of two from whichever of Hollands, Busslinger, Phillipou and Hewett Carlton don’t take

We would then have 20 and 21

8 and 26 for 11 and 21 is very little incentive - not even the points value would come out in favour for us. I would want 8 and 26 for 11, 21 and 39.

At 39, I'd take Broadbent or Smith which would give a chance to balance out with other than 3-4 mids.

 

[Hook461123]

There would be a certain irony if we again ended up without a top 10 pick after the year we had and I don’t think we should be even contemplating that type of trade until draft night

It would then depend entirely on who’s left at our pick and where we rank those players. The club may or may not rate MacKenzie or Phillipou as highly as Busslinger as it’s not information we’re privy to

But if it comes to a point where we believe we can get the same player at 11 as we were planning to take at 8, then you do the trade. Even if posters here would’ve preferred someone else

True.
Though I question the logic to be so committed to a player that we continously trade down. What happened to just taking the best talent available. I get that we might value players differently but I think there is a danger in trying to outsmart ourselves by disregarding some good players.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

There would be a certain irony if we again ended up without a top 10 pick after the year we had and I don’t think we should be even contemplating that type of trade until draft night

It would then depend entirely on who’s left at our pick and where we rank those players. The club may or may not rate MacKenzie or Phillipou as highly as Busslinger as it’s not information we’re privy to

But if it comes to a point where we believe we can get the same player at 11 as we were planning to take at 8, then you do the trade. Even if posters here would’ve preferred someone else

This won't be happening until draft night when we see which 6 fly off before our pick.

At 11, we still get 2 bites inside the sweet spot. As you say, it will be driven by who is still there.

 

[AP24]

Happy with the Poo at 8/9.
Allan a big reach at 12/13 and if someone wants him before our 4th pick, they can have him.
Cant see Hewett getting to 22. Surely GWS would take him with their love of mids and multiple picks between 13 and 22.

I don't want Allan at 12/13 - I just think that's where it'll land. This is just me, but I prioritise clean ball handling over almost every other facet (other than clean disposal) and from what I've seen Hewett isn't the cleanest. Not to say he doesn't have elite attributes but I'd rather pass at 13.

 

[Nuffington Post]

My initial instinct was to take the two best mids at 9 and 13 but we could end up in a situation where both Mackenzie and Hewett are gone at pick 13 (along with Poo, Ginbey etc). In that case it could be worth looking at Jefferson. His u18 champs performance was equivalent with Cadman IMO. Given the length of time to develop key forwards he could be someone WC are considering. Especially given our key forward stocks are not as great as defence.


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[Keys]

My initial instinct was to take the two best mids at 9 and 13 but we could end up in a situation where both Mackenzie and Hewett are gone at pick 13 (along with Poo, Ginbey etc). In that case it could be worth looking at Jefferson. His u18 champs performance was equivalent with Cadman IMO. Given the length of time to develop key forwards he could be someone WC are considering. Especially given our key forward stocks are not as great as defence.


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Imagine us taking Busslinger and Jefferson with our first two picks. It’d be 2017 all over again but somehow worse.

Nothing against either player but I’m retiring as a mod here on the spot if that happens

 

[ArdentEagle]

I must be greedy...I don't think you guys are asking enough....If another team is that desperate get a player.
Make the ****ers pay. 8 and change (plus F4 swap) for 11,21 and (F4 swap) for example.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Imagine us taking Busslinger and Jefferson with our first two picks. It’d be 2017 all over again but somehow worse.

Nothing against either player but I’m retiring as a mod here on the spot if that happens

No way we can take two key position players with those picks. Would have to be at least one mid or this thread melts.


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[jesterwester]

In the unlikely event Tsatsas does slide to our pick, I’d be quite happy for us to pick him and back in our club to keep him. We have had a good record of holding onto players and he’s a genuine on baller with speed.

If we had kept pick 2 he would have been on our radar, but the risk of him moving back to Victoria would have made us look like chumps if he left us a year or 2 in. Especially with question marks in certain aspects of his game- I doubt we pull that trigger.

But at pick 9, and with 13 behind it- we have a little bit of insurance, and personally I think those question marks are a little overblown. So if the club has him as the highest on the board ranking wise by all means I hope we pull the trigger.

 

[Wce17]

Here's the thing. Unless Phillipou flies up draft boards I think we can get Mackenzie at 8/9 and Phillipou at 13. I don't see any chance of it happening the other way round.

The way I see it now is we're left with 2 of Clark, Mackenzie, Busslinger at 9. I just don't see how O'Brien goes past Busslinger if he's there.

What’s your opinion on Busslinger? Would you be happy picking him up at 9?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

What’s your opinion on Busslinger? Would you be happy picking him up at 9?

Honestly no we need a key defender that can defend.
Busslinger is a offensive threat because of his rebounding and he naturally just zones of
and does his thing.
Couldnt play him and Barrass in the same side

 

[WCE_phil]

What’s your opinion on Busslinger? Would you be happy picking him up at 9?

He's my second preference for the pick if Mackenzie isn't there.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Very sure we are using pick 26 on Kaleb Smith now had it confirmed he is our target at that pick and believe
he will play round one next year.
Also heard Collingwood was interested in our pick 12

 

[maverick001]

That HS mock draft was absolutely laughable. "Fills an area of need for West Coast". Ridiculous assertion.
I took a keen interest in McKenzie this year after it emerged he was not going to be available for STK as an NGA player. He has a lot of the attributes we need as a midfielder, so look forward to him being retooled as a half back flanker!

I think near-term Phillipou is the best pick - can develop as a half forward with stints in the midfield and I've got a natural preference for left-footers.

Either of those with our first pick would be great. Not sold on whether Busslinger is a natural fit, and I don't like us reaching for Hewett with our second pick.

Smoky is how far Brayden George slides but I doubt he'll be there with our fourth pick. If we pick McKenzie first then George might be in play with our third pick. Who knows.

For what it's worth, I think it'll be:

9 Phillipou
13 Allan (after a bid on Fletcher)
22 Hewett
28 Barnett

Can't wait to see how horrifically wrong I am

Would be pretty happy with this

 

[maverick001]

8 and 26 for 11, 21 and BL 2023 2nd(likely around 35) I'd do, depending on who makes it through to 8 and who we expect to last until 11. Keep in mind that this trade would give us 2 picks in a row at 11 and 12 and 2 picks in a row at 20 and 21. There is some added value in having consecutive picks.

Why would they do that though?

 

[maverick001]

Very sure we are using pick 26 on Kaleb Smith now had it confirmed he is our target at that pick and believe
he will play round one next year.
Also heard Collingwood was interested in our pick 12

Why so confident?

 

[twce13]

I must be greedy...I don't think you guys are asking enough....If another team is that desperate get a player.
Make the *ers pay. 8 and change (plus F4 swap) for 11,21 and (F4 swap) for example.

agree. If a club wants our 8 they can pay overs.

11 and 21 or no dice.

 

[Mattman93]

Here's the thing. Unless Phillipou flies up draft boards I think we can get Mackenzie at 8/9 and Phillipou at 13.

I'd be ecstatic with that. I grant that Phillipou is clearly just not as hot as bigfooty consensus seems to think, but sureeeeely we wouldn't overlook Mackenzie if he's there at first pick.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Here's the thing. Unless Phillipou flies up draft boards I think we can get Mackenzie at 8/9 and Phillipou at 13. I don't see any chance of it happening the other way round.

The way I see it now is we're left with 2 of Clark, Mackenzie, Busslinger at 9. I just don't see how O'Brien goes past Busslinger if he's there.

2 of MacKenzie Phillipou and Hewett at 8 and 12 would make me very happy

It would also allow us to dabble around needs at 20 and 26. Once mids covered, we could add more mid with Burgiel and Allen, tall with Keeler or Barnett, or flank with George, Smith or Clarke

Relax ladies and gentlemen, we are in a great place.

 

[bl4ke]

Very sure we are using pick 26 on Kaleb Smith now had it confirmed he is our target at that pick and believe
he will play round one next year.
Also heard Collingwood was interested in our pick 12

That would be pretty underwhelming

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't want Allan at 12/13 - I just think that's where it'll land. This is just me, but I prioritise clean ball handling over almost every other facet (other than clean disposal) and from what I've seen Hewett isn't the cleanest. Not to say he doesn't have elite attributes but I'd rather pass at 13.

How clean is Dusty? It amazes me how Dusty can get the ball and roost it long with a hack kick with the ball tumbling every which way and it works. The commentators go off on how brilliant he is but his kicking is not elite. Dane Swan was the same, often helicopter kicks thet found a target.

Oliver?

 

[Obeanie1]

Very sure we are using pick 26 on Kaleb Smith now had it confirmed he is our target at that pick and believe
he will play round one next year.
Also heard Collingwood was interested in our pick 12

That would be pretty underwhelming

Smith at 26 is early.

That would be a surprise and disappointing as we could likely get him with a later pick if we had one in the 40's and a list spot open.

Maybe a bid on Dewar is the 5th main draft pick option we may need to use.

 

[Schtinker]

The words McKenzie and Vanilla go hand in hand. Pass for me.